Who here doesnt think the US government is insanely out of control?

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    spiral out wrote:
    Where is jlew anyway? there has been a lot less mud slinging round here lately.

    And if it was jlew you know full well that he would never watch a documentary that you recommend.

    You know it's him/her cmon....

    It boils down to there are two choices in life. Make a shitload of money and serve that master to no end, or do something more noble aka humanitarian with your life. It's a compromise and balance of the the two opposing states of existence.

    That as simple as it gets, and it's remains universal the world around.

    Extrapolate outwards from that, and all conditions in this world are explained and accounted for.

    Understanding that fully is a huge step towards figuring out what "all this" is about.
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  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Signed sealed delivered guy...you're him. But anyhow...fool me you will not.

    Watch some John Pilger documentaries Jeff...then you will understand a bit better.

    again, will not answer the question. quite cowardly if you as ask me. which one in particular of his would you recommend. I have seen several.
  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
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    #62 Knowing what’s best for poor people
    February 10, 2008 by clander

    White people spend a lot of time of worrying about poor people. It takes up a pretty significant portion of their day.

    They feel guilty and sad that poor people shop at Wal*Mart instead of Whole Foods, that they vote Republican instead of Democratic, that they go to Community College/get a job instead of studying art at a University.

    It is a poorly guarded secret that, deep down, white people believe if given money and education that all poor people would be EXACTLY like them. In fact, the only reason that poor people make the choices they do is because they have not been given the means to make the right choices and care about the right things.

    A great way to make white people feel good is to tell them about situations where poor people changed how they were doing things because they were given the ‘whiter’ option. “Back in my old town, people used to shop at Wal*Mart and then this non-profit organization came in and set up a special farmers co-op so that we could buy more local produce, and within two weeks the Wal*Mart shut down and we elected our first Democratic representative in 40 years.” White people will first ask which non-profit and are they hiring? After that, they will be filled with euphoria and will invite you to more parties to tell this story to their friends, so that they can feel great.

    But it is ESSENTIAL that you reassert that poor people do not make decisions based on free will. That news could crush white people and their hope for the future.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    again, will not answer the question. quite cowardly if you as ask me. which one in particular of his would you recommend. I have seen several.

    I told you what time it is, and provided an answer of which you will need to fill in the blanks and look inside yourself to find the truth.

    anyhow..

    http://www.chicagophotoshop.com

    some great sales on there I hear...bargain basement.

    woo! lolz...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    I told you what time it is, and provided an answer of which you will need to fill in the blanks and look inside yourself to find the truth.

    anyhow..

    http://www.chicagophotoshop.com

    some great sales on there I hear...bargain basement.

    woo! lolz...

    I wasn't asking for a fill in the blanks answer. it was a direct question. you immaturity is really sad at this point. can you not see that? how old are you?
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    those people in the world trade center had every right to regard themselves outside the remit of violence.

    ok I guess I'll ask. do you think America got what it deserved?

    Byrnzie, you want to take a shot at this question? I'm just very curious to know. your earlier response really seems to imply we got what we deserved. I hope I'm wrong.
  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    Byrnzie, you want to take a shot at this question? I'm just very curious to know. your earlier response really seems to imply we got what we deserved. I hope I'm wrong.

    His post seemed to imply exactly what it said. As you sow so shall you reap.
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Not that I condone the murder of anyone but can you please explain what you think America did derserve after 50 years of supporting Israeli terror, decimating Iraq in 1991, propping up numerous puppet regimes throughout the Middle East, bombing a major Sudanese Medical factory, and sitting back and allowing tens of thousands of Bosnian Muslims to be slaughtered in Yugloslavia, e.t.c?

    This may be considered controversial and offensive to many Americans on this messageboard, but here is an age old saying which goes: 'You reap what you sow'.

    But then many Americans are of the opinion that 9/11 occured out of an historical vacuum.

    To me that implies he does not think the people deserved to die, because he clearly says he doesn't condone the murder of anyone. And he asks a very interesting question, which also remains unanswered. Care to answer it?

    And I personally don't think America got what it deserved, but that doesn't really matter does it. Because I also disagree with countless things the US did.

    Actions have consequences. And when your actions are terror, bombings, corruption... there will be consequences. Actions I don't like and don't condone and consequences I don't think anyone deserves. And again, I think no one deserves to die but I'm not surprised that when you bomb countries, when you kill people's families ... someone might strike back.

    I can't speak for Byrnzie of course.
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  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    You can always threaten to move to Canada (but not actually do it, of course)!

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    I wasn't asking for a fill in the blanks answer. it was a direct question. you immaturity is really sad at this point. can you not see that? how old are you?


    get over it Jlew...

    I ain't buying your repackaged goods...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Nevermind
    Nevermind Posts: 1,006
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    get over it Jlew...

    I ain't buying your repackaged goods...
    I was wondering where that bastard disappeared to
  • SundaySilence
    SundaySilence Posts: 537
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    those people in the world trade center had every right to regard themselves outside the remit of violence.

    ok I guess I'll ask. do you think America got what it deserved?

    It's not a direct question.

    Are you trying to elicit an opinion that American foreign policy is detrimental and results in blowback?

    Or are you asking who thinks the elevator repair man should have been killed?
  • Nevermind
    Nevermind Posts: 1,006
    The government totally sucks you motherfucker.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Nevermind wrote:
    The government totally sucks you motherfucker.

    They're taking all the fucking beautiful animals and making them totally extinct!
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  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    SundaySilence wrote:
    It's not a direct question.

    Are you trying to elicit an opinion that American foreign policy is detrimental and results in blowback?

    Or are you asking who thinks the elevator repair man should have been killed?

    its a direct question. yes or no. I do not think america got what it deserved on 9/11. I think our foreign policy has sucked in recent times but innocent people did not deserve to die.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    lazymoon13-AKA-Jlew wrote:
    those people in the world trade center had every right to regard themselves outside the remit of violence.

    And the millions of civilians across the globe who have been killed - either directly or indirectly - by the U.S over the past 50 or so years also had every right to regard themselves outside the remit of violence.

    But then, poor, brown people don't count, right?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    lazymoon13-AKA-Jlew wrote:
    when did those innocent workers play with fire? who's land did those workers in the WTC steal? who's family did they kill?

    so I'll ask you, although I think you'll dance around it or simply disappear like your friend, do you think America got what it deserved on 9/11 ? yes or no.

    Well Jlew, firstly, It makes me laugh that after approx two years of exposing you on this messageboard for the fraud that you are, you actually think I'd run and hide from yet another one of your lame comments. :)

    Anyway, as far as answering your question...I already have. But, being typical of you, you choose only to read what you want to read, and to see what you want to see. In fact, you're like an actual microcosm - in human form - of the U.S conservative media itself.

    So, instead of playing your silly little game, I'll ask you a question: What do you think the American people deserved after 50+ years of a fucked up and violent foreign policy? Do you think that the American people deserved special treatment on the world stage? And If so, then how did they earn such a privilege? Please fill in the blanks for me if you can.

    Personally, I think the American people deserved better than to be hoodwinked by a corrupt leadership and business elite into paying the price for the greed of the few fat-bellies at the top of the money ladder.
    For example, I think that Americans deserved better than to be made to pay for the criminal war against Vietnam in the 1960's.
    I think they also desrved better than to be made to pay for the cold war - not to mention what so nearly might have been as a result of the Cuban missile crisis.
    I think Americans deserved better than to be made to pay for the rape of Latin America during the 1980's.
    I think Americans deserve better than to pay for the 60 year criminal occupation of Palestinian land, and the ongoing repercussions that this has throughout the whole of the Middle East, and consequently, throughout the world. Unconditional U.S support and encouragement for the Israeli occupation, coupled with the destruction of Iraq in 1991, and subsequent 10 years of criminal sanctions and daily bombing raids against the Iraqi people, made America the most hated country in the world in 2001.

    The U.S government's violent and self-serving foriegn policy has only worsened since the blow-back that was 9/11. And so, as it stands, American citizens are now more vulnerable and prone to attack from foreign 'terrorists' than they have ever been before. And I think they deserve better.

    Again, what do you think they deserve?
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Ouch! spanked it like a baby...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    It's always been out of control; power and money ensure that. We just have more access to information now. I do think this administration set the bar on insanity.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    continued education...hehe

    http://www.alternet.org/audits/80497/
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Well Jlew, firstly, It makes me laugh that after approx two years of exposing you on this messageboard for the fraud that you are, you actually think I'd run and hide from yet another one of your lame comments. :)

    Anyway, as far as answering your question...I already have. But, being typical of you, you choose only to read what you want to read, and to see what you want to see. In fact, you're like an actual microcosm - in human form - of the U.S conservative media itself.

    So, instead of playing your silly little game, I'll ask you a question: What do you think the American people deserved after 50+ years of a fucked up and violent foreign policy? Do you think that the American people deserved special treatment on the world stage? And If so, then how did they earn such a privilege? Please fill in the blanks for me if you can.

    Personally, I think the American people deserved better than to be hoodwinked by a corrupt leadership and business elite into paying the price for the greed of the few fat-bellies at the top of the money ladder.
    For example, I think that Americans deserved better than to be made to pay for the criminal war against Vietnam in the 1960's.
    I think they also desrved better than to be made to pay for the cold war - not to mention what so nearly might have been as a result of the Cuban missile crisis.
    I think Americans deserved better than to be made to pay for the rape of Latin America during the 1980's.
    I think Americans deserve better than to pay for the 60 year criminal occupation of Palestinian land, and the ongoing repercussions that this has throughout the whole of the Middle East, and consequently, throughout the world. Unconditional U.S support and encouragement for the Israeli occupation, coupled with the destruction of Iraq in 1991, and subsequent 10 years of criminal sanctions and daily bombing raids against the Iraqi people, made America the most hated country in the world in 2001.

    The U.S government's violent and self-serving foriegn policy has only worsened since the blow-back that was 9/11. And so, as it stands, American citizens are now more vulnerable and prone to attack from foreign 'terrorists' than they have ever been before. And I think they deserve better.

    Again, what do you think they deserve?

    LOL what is with this jew stuff? I agree with your last paragraph. chill out out dude. I only asked because you seemed to imply that Americans got what it deserved on 9/11. My best friend's wife died that day so I take great offense to you thinking see deserved to die.

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