To the people who believe 911 was an inside job...

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  • lgt
    lgt Posts: 720
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    since when is complete knowledge the key to eternal happiness? And how does it make one better than those who live in ignorance? :) ignorance is bliss... or didn't ya hear? :)

    oooohhh, but... knowledge is power! and there goes my plan for world domination! :D;)
  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    spiral out wrote:
    In that case is the Riechstag not a valid example then?
    :eek: I can't believe you did it :o you mentioned the war :o

    :D
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  • The Champ
    The Champ Posts: 4,063
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    :eek: :D hmm... anyway... yeh, 9/11 what about that eh? :o:D

    I'm in complete agreement with Fox news and the New York Post regarding the subject matter..
    'I want to hurry home to you
    put on a slow, dumb show for you
    and crack you up
    so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
    god I'm very, very frightening
    and I'll overdo it'
  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    lgt wrote:
    oooohhh, but... knowledge is power! and there goes my plan for world domination! :D;)
    Yeh but... I know where you live :cool: well actually I don't... but it sounds good :D
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
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  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    The Champ wrote:
    I'm in complete agreement with Fox news and the New York Post regarding the subject matter..
    well I get all my info from http://www.liberalnutjob.com and http://www.tinfoilhat.com :)
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • lgt
    lgt Posts: 720
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    Once you prove opinions and theories (in the 'idea' definition) it becomes fact. Let's not go on a definition roundabout here cos that gets dull pretty quickly :)

    indeed :)

    and I've already tried to argue the nature of knowledge and epistemology on another thread... and really I should be working with a deadline tomorrow!!!!

    I must go on a self-imposed ban of the pit, and especially the Moving Train, on super stressful work days! :D
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    :eek: I can't believe you did it :o you mentioned the war :o

    :D

    Opps ;)
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

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  • The Champ
    The Champ Posts: 4,063
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    well I get all my info from http://www.liberalnutjob.com and http://www.tinfoilhat.com :)

    Now you are just blantently mocking me, my opinions, and my beliefs..waaa..

    m.
    'I want to hurry home to you
    put on a slow, dumb show for you
    and crack you up
    so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
    god I'm very, very frightening
    and I'll overdo it'
  • nobody
    nobody Posts: 353
    spiral out wrote:
    In that case is the Riechstag not a valid example then?

    in the Reichstag fire a dutch "Communist" supposedly lay a fire in the reichstg so it burned down...without anyone getting killed...
    it is likely though...that the NAZIS only blamed it on him...and set the fire themselves...in that case: the person who said the fire WAS GOING FREE...

    again: nobody was killed, except for the communist who took the blame...
    it is likely he didn't do it...if so an inncoent man died...

    what didn't happen is that the Nazis told the communist to set the fire and then he let himself be killed for the "cause"

    so no...it is not a valid analogy for this:
    the government flies some planes into a building and causes thousands of their own cititezens to die...while the people who flew the plane willingly killed themselves for the government(that's what nevermind allleged) and thousands of their fellow citizens....

    in the first example there is no connection between the attacker and the attacked...and if there is a connection the attacker didn't kill himself nor anyone else...
    it's not the same to light something on fire and kill yourself and others while setting a fire...


    the other one is valid because it is an historical example of people making claims without providing facts...that it was done by Nazis has nothing o do with it really...they used the same antisemitism that was going around in other place all over the world...for example in america with this McFadden guy that Zeitgeist claims to be a hero...

    m.

    m.
    Godwin's Law:
    "As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
  • The Champ
    The Champ Posts: 4,063
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    well I get all my info from http://www.liberalnutjob.com and http://www.tinfoilhat.com :)

    Oh and the sad thing is that some will attempt to cite your links as valid and credible sources ;)..
    'I want to hurry home to you
    put on a slow, dumb show for you
    and crack you up
    so you can put a blue ribbon on my brain
    god I'm very, very frightening
    and I'll overdo it'
  • lgt
    lgt Posts: 720
    spiral out wrote:
    In that case is the Riechstag not a valid example then?

    nobody already claimed why it wasn't a valid and comparable historical example.

    The Reichstag was empty and the fire was carried out by a Dutch communist in protest, allegedly.

    This plot was then used by the Nazi government to increase suppression of the Communist minority in Germany.

    Therefore not a valid comparison.

    [while the argument was how can a government suppress the majority of its people, which is what - if you believe 9/11 was an inside job - you would have: the government going after its own people.]

    P.S. already answered above while writing this. OPS :)
  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    The Champ wrote:
    Now you are just blantently mocking me, my opinions, and my beliefs..waaa..

    m.
    :confused: but that's only cos you pm'd me and asked me to :o

    :p

    Nobody and LGT, I am no longer replying to either of you... GO STUDY! You'll thank me later... I know how hard it is to drag myself away from this place :D .

    Oh... and the sooner you DO drag yourself away.. the sooner I'll have won :)
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    The Champ wrote:
    Oh and the sad thing is that some will attempt to cite your links as valid and credible sources ;)..
    well it's better than using http://www.republicansaregreat.com or http://www.americarulestheworld.com or http://www.ilovegeorgebush.com :D
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • Flannel Shirt
    Flannel Shirt Posts: 1,021
    nobody wrote:
    you can't find them, cause this wasn't the question of this threat...
    this is not a scientific website...but you might check it out anyway...for some counter-arguments...
    beware though: it's not there to prove anything, but to cast doubt on convetional conspiracy theories about it...because the burden of proof lies with them...
    http://conspiracyscience.com/

    m.
    Sorry Red Leader, trying to stay on target.

    every time I hear 9/11 and conspiracy, all that comes to mind is the buildings free fall.

    who do I think flew the planes into the buildings? a sick fuck relegious extremist who was willing to die and take innocent lives with them.

    unless they were remote controlled planes or planes on autopilot.

    I personally think it was terrorists. But, the many other questions raised definately muddy the waters and cannot be discounted.
    All that's sacred, comes from youth....dedications, naive and true.
  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    well it's better than using http://www.republicansaregreat.com or http://www.americarulestheworld.com or http://www.ilovegeorgebush.com :D
    :eek: I can't believe one of those sites actually exists... well actually, I think I'm more surprised that the other two DON'T :D
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    lgt wrote:
    nobody already claimed why it wasn't a valid and comparable historical example.

    The Reichstag was empty and the fire was carried out by a Dutch communist in protest, allegedly.

    This plot was then used by the Nazi government to increase suppression of the Communist minority in Germany.

    Therefore not a valid comparison.

    [while the argument was how can a government suppress the majority of its people, which is what - if you believe 9/11 was an inside job - you would have: the government going after its own people.]

    P.S. already answered above while writing this. OPS :)

    In that case i missed what he had written, i was more just going on things that have since been proven to have been done by a government.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • nobody
    nobody Posts: 353
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    Nobody... we're not going to agree... I respect your opinions and your views but I don't agree... it's no big deal... the sky hasn't fallen in. Go study for your exams and go pass them, ok? :) I hear eating tuna is good brain food :) but then of course if you eat too much, you'll die of mercury poisoning :eek:

    you can't respect my opinions if you actually distort them in your head and then rewrite to the way you like them...
    and that is what you repeatedly did...also in the other threat...
    and by this...no serious discussion is possible...

    I don't know if you noticed, but the past 20 posts I made actually have nothing to do with 911 or anything political for that matter...they are about how to built up a serious discussion...

    but it is okay...I guess that is how internet discussions work...
    it was my fault to invest so much time in it...
    don't really regret it, though...it has some kind of grip on you...

    but I'll get over myself...and in the future engange in discussions that actually make sense...in that they further at least some kind of knowledge and understanding...

    have a good evening...and now I mean it...;)

    m.
    Godwin's Law:
    "As an internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."
  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    nobody wrote:

    what didn't happen is that the Nazis told the communist to set the fire and then he let himself be killed for the "cause"


    Well i really don't think we will ever see this happen.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    lgt wrote:

    [while the argument was how can a government suppress the majority of its people, which is what - if you believe 9/11 was an inside job - you would have: the government going after its own people.]
    plenty of examples of that in Africa and Asia. Many people view what's going on in countries like Cuba, China, Zimbabwe, etc. as governments suppressing the majority of their people. What makes you think western countries are exempt simply cos we have a democratic process. Once somebody is in power it gets easier for them to to eliminate the democratic process. Wasn't there suggestions that bush was gonna get rid of the law that forbade somebody being president 3 terms in a row? He didn't but he obviously coulda... and then he simply could have MADE himself win the third election... cos he's done that before.
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • Heineken Helen
    Heineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    nobody wrote:
    you can't respect my opinions if you actually distort them in your head and then rewrite to the way you like them...
    and that is what you repeatedly did...also in the other threat...
    and by this...no serious discussion is possible...

    I don't know if you noticed, but the past 20 posts I made actually have nothing to do with 911 or anything political for that matter...they are about how to built up a serious discussion...

    but it is okay...I guess that is how internet discussions work...
    it was my fault to invest so much time in it...
    don't really regret it, though...it has some kind of grid...

    but I'll get over myself...and in the future engange in discussions that actually make sense...in that they further at least some kind of knowledge and understanding...

    have a good evening...and now I mean it...;)

    m.
    see... I've felt like you've been doing that to me too... so we just misunderstand eachother. We'll clear it up after your exams. Good luck :)
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you

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