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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Still fighting over this eh?

    I noticed no one acknowledged the findings of "unexplained sulfur" in the NIST report. I guess that evidence is too solid for the anti-conspiracy theorists.
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  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Still fighting over this eh?

    I noticed no one acknowledged the findings of "unexplained sulfur" in the NIST report. I guess that evidence is too solid for the anti-conspiracy theorists.

    Right, because the only possible source of sulfur is explosives planted by the U.S. government.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Right, because the only possible source of sulfur is explosives planted by the U.S. government.

    Well, maybe it's purely coincidental that a sulfur attack was found at the failure points. Just like everything else on 9-11, NORAD games, insider traiding, warnings, etc... all purely coincidental.

    Can you offer another explation for exactly how a sulfur corrosion attack would have occured on the steel only at failure points?
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Still fighting over this eh?

    I noticed no one acknowledged the findings of "unexplained sulfur" in the NIST report. I guess that evidence is too solid for the anti-conspiracy theorists.

    I think this was explained to you before, after which you then took a jump to another piece of "solid evidence". Anyway, try reading this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur#Biological_role

    In case you're thinking that the sulfur was the result of a thermate burn, go ahead and try finding some Barium. Thermate uses 10-20 times the amount of barium as sulfur. No barium oxide was measured in that steel.
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Well, maybe it's purely coincidental that a sulfur attack was found at the failure points. Just like everything else on 9-11, NORAD games, insider traiding, warnings, etc... all purely coincidental.

    Can you offer another explation for exactly how a sulfur corrosion attack would have occured on the steel only at failure points?

    Sulfur, present in most grades of steel, was extruded from the metal where it broke? Due to the heat and pressure?
    Admittedly, I am no structural engineer.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I think this was explained to you before, after which you then took a jump to another piece of "solid evidence". Anyway, try reading this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur#Biological_role

    In case you're thinking that the sulfur was the result of a thermate burn, go ahead and try finding some Barium. Thermate uses 10-20 times the amount of barium as sulfur. No barium oxide was measured in that steel.

    I didn't say thermate was used, sulfur is pretty abundant in many things.
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  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    What ever happened to the 10-12 Israeli men caught videotaping and cheering when the buildings fell down from atop of van...and before anyone labels me I heard this time and time again on THE DAY of 9/11 and their taking into custody that day....however heard nothing about it later...wondering what happened to them...just curious.....
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Circumstantial evidence. The surfur is the turtle on the log, in this case.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Can you offer another explation for exactly how a sulfur corrosion attack would have occured on the steel only at failure points?

    Such an explanation is completely unnecessary since the underlying claim is fraudulent. Sulfur was not "only found at failure points". Sulfur was found on FEMA samples 1 and 2. Read the FEMA reports.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Sulfur, present in most grades of steel, was extruded from the metal where it broke? Due to the heat and pressure?
    Admittedly, I am no structural engineer.

    That's right, in the process of making steel they remove the sulfur to meet specifications. NIST stated that the steel met specifications of 0.02 mg/whatever and Underwriter Laboratories, that certified the steel, said the same thing.

    NIST states that the sulfur attacked the steel in solid-state diffusion. Which implies that sulfur entered the steel by filling voids, which ultimately implies the steel was deffective, but they can't prove it was solid-state diffusion, that's just what they "think" happened. They also "think" this happened after the collapse, and it's just coincidental that it happened at failure points.
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  • RockinInCanada
    RockinInCanada Posts: 2,016
    I neither believe the extreme theory or the official story...I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle.....
  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Ahnimus wrote:
    That's right, in the process of making steel they remove the sulfur to meet specifications. NIST stated that the steel met specifications of 0.02 mg/whatever and Underwriter Laboratories, that certified the steel, said the same thing.

    NIST states that the sulfur attacked the steel in solid-state diffusion. Which implies that sulfur entered the steel by filling voids, which ultimately implies the steel was deffective, but they can't prove it was solid-state diffusion, that's just what they "think" happened. They also "think" this happened after the collapse, and it's just coincidental that it happened at failure points.

    Well, its no more conjectural than your theory of deliberate etching of the metal with sulpur by American bogeymen. In fact, I would argue less so.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Such an explanation is completely unnecessary since the underlying claim is fraudulent. Sulfur was not "only found at failure points". Sulfur was found on FEMA samples 1 and 2. Read the FEMA reports.

    Well obviously, when you use an incendiary like thermite it's going to get around. The point is "typically" it's at failure points and the majority of the steel met specifications.
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    double post
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Well obviously, when you use an incendiary like thermite it's going to get around.

    Ok. Then where's the Barium oxide? That's going to "get around" at a rate 10-20 times that of the sulfur.
    The point is "typically" it's at failure points and the majority of the steel met specifications.

    It is not "typically" at failure points. Sulfur was measured in two steel samples. The first piece is of unknown origin. The second is at a point that could potentially have been a failure point, but certainly not the only failure point. Other samples from failure points measured without any levels of sulfur.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Ok. Then where's the Barium oxide? That's going to "get around" at a rate 10-20 times that of the sulfur.

    There is no Barium in thermite as far as I know. They add Barium nitrate to thermite to make thermate.
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Ahnimus wrote:
    There is no Barium in thermite as far as I know.

    Correct. There is also no sulfur.
    They add Barium nitrate to thermite to make thermate.

    Yes. About 10-20 times the amount of sulfur they add.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Ahnimus wrote:
    That's right, in the process of making steel they remove the sulfur to meet specifications. NIST stated that the steel met specifications of 0.02 mg/whatever and Underwriter Laboratories, that certified the steel, said the same thing.

    NIST states that the sulfur attacked the steel in solid-state diffusion. Which implies that sulfur entered the steel by filling voids, which ultimately implies the steel was deffective, but they can't prove it was solid-state diffusion, that's just what they "think" happened. They also "think" this happened after the collapse, and it's just coincidental that it happened at failure points.

    sulfur is used in the production of many metals; but is also present in jet a fuel. considering the tons of jet fuel that ran down stairwells and elevator shafts; i would expect to find sulfur.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Correct. There is also no sulfur.



    Yes. About 10-20 times the amount of sulfur they add.

    That is true.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    onelongsong wrote:
    sulfur is used in the production of many metals; but is also present in jet a fuel. considering the tons of jet fuel that ran down stairwells and elevator shafts; i would expect to find sulfur.

    That's all speculated. There is no evidence to support the idea that 10,000 gallons of jet fuel made it to the basement in both buildings, and also caused solid-state diffusion where sulfur was found. That seems like a stretch.
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