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  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    Collin wrote:
    there are even prostitutes who love their job.

    I really wish you'd stop saying that. Although I obviously can't state with absolute certainty that no prostitute exists in the world who loves her job, it's a piss-poor and trivializing defense of a profession which generally serves to exploit women who are facing tragic life circumstances.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    VictoryGin wrote:
    again. mammasan stated i can talk about oppression when i'm mutilated. because it seems to him that mutilation is a qualifier of oppression. so i made a sarcastic response that mirrored his---he can talk about sexism and objectification when he grows a vagina, since those with vaginas are the ones not in power. both ridiculous statements, aren't they?

    Yes both statement are ridiculous. I used mine to point out what true oppression was. What women in this country face is inequality not oppression.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    VictoryGin wrote:
    again. mammasan stated i can talk about oppression when i'm mutilated. because it seems to him that mutilation is a qualifier of oppression. so i made a sarcastic response that mirrored his---he can talk about sexism and objectification when he grows a vagina, since those with vaginas are the ones not in power. both ridiculous statements, aren't they?

    I posted before I read your response. Do you at least see what he's saying?
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  • unifiedscene
    unifiedscene Posts: 462
    decides2dream wrote:
    i know this question is not directed at me at all....but i just want to ask, or say........

    has anyone ever had a one-night stand? purey with the intent of getting laid and then moving on? with or without money...there is indeed a degree of objectification there, a desire for sex for the sake of sex....and one certainly can believe that is morally *wrong* as is their choice....but there are many others, myself included...who are a-ok with that.

    looking at films, magazines, models, etc.....objectification exists, probably will always exist. i don't necessarily see it as entirely *wrong* or *bad* either. of COURSE i do not think ANY one or thing should be viewed soley as an 'object'....but we as a species, as are many species, are sort of 'wired' to look at the surfae of things, appreciate the surface of things...be attracted/repelled, etc....from a biological standpoint and sure......just purely aesthetics. it is not all 'bad' per se.

    and sure, i am all for sex for sex's sake if that is what one desires AND is mutually agreed upon.

    I've been trying to say this but never seem to get it right. This is exactly what I mean. Is it wrong for a woman to go into a bar and have a one night stand with no intent of ever speaking to the guy again, just because she wants sex? When it is a guy doing it and he simply hands her money instead of plying her with drinks and sweet talk for a few hours, why does it suddenly become wrong?
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  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    mammasan wrote:
    Here is the definition of oppression from the Merriem-Webster dictionary:

    OPPRESSION – unjust or cruel exercise of authority or power.

    Now, maybe it's just me, but I have yet to see the unjust or CRUEL exercise of authority or power over women in our society. Is their inequality, definitely. Is there unjust, definitely. Is there cruel, no. Women have every opportunity and rights that men have in this country. You want to go to college, no problem. You want to start your own business, no problem. You want to be a doctor, lawyer, scientist, engineer, etc.., no problem. You want to vote, own property, no problem. Inequality does exist, but the use of the word oppression is disingenuous. Women in our society are not oppressed and trying to split hairs by doling percentages of oppression is just ridiculous.


    you do not see the 'unjust' in a woman doing the same job for less pay? it IS unjust, thus part of opression. as i said earlier, you want to argue the degree of opression, fine...another point entirely, but to deny it is just, well, unjust.


    inequality = unjust.


    if YOU want to consider it ridiculous to use the term opression, certainly is your perogative. however, it doesn;t actually make it right either.

    i personally use the term inequality, but this is one area where i will not disagree with the right of others to use the term opression if they so desire, b/c it does fit.
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  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    mammasan wrote:
    Here is the definition of oppression from the Merriem-Webster dictionary:

    OPPRESSION – unjust or cruel exercise of authority or power.

    Now, maybe it's just me, but I have yet to see the unjust or CRUEL exercise of authority or power over women in our society. Is their inequality, definitely. Is there unjust, definitely. Is there cruel, no. Women have every opportunity and rights that men have in this country. You want to go to college, no problem. You want to start your own business, no problem. You want to be a doctor, lawyer, scientist, engineer, etc.., no problem. You want to vote, own property, no problem. Inequality does exist, but the use of the word oppression is disingenuous. Women in our society are not oppressed and trying to split hairs by doling percentages of oppression is just ridiculous.

    so inequality is not unjust? you do use a definition that says unjust OR cruel. there are many definitions out there, too . . .
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    i see this a kin to abortion ... you may not approve of the process but the reality is that it is not up for you to decide what another person does with her body ...

    yes - there are issues of forced prostitution which i think could be addressed slightly by making it legal and regulating the industry ...
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    decides2dream wrote:
    you do not see the 'unjust' in a woman doing the same job for less pay? it IS unjust, thus part of opression. as i said earlier, you want to argue the degree of opression, fine...another point entirely, but to deny it is just, well, unjust.


    inequality = unjust.


    if YOU want to consider it ridiculous to use the term opression, certainly is your perogative. however, it doesn;t actually make it right either.

    i personally use the term inequality, but this is one area where i will not disagree with the right of others to use the term opression if they so desire, b/c it does fit.

    And that is your opinion. To me the use of the word oppression is disingenuous. It is a mockery of what true oppression women in other countries face. To hear a women in this country, who can go to college, have a career, vote, own property, have the same freedoms and liberties as there male counterparts use that term is ridiculous. They have no idea what it is like to live in a truly oppressive society. Hence my overboard comment to Allison (VG) about female genital mutilation, etc...
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    VictoryGin wrote:
    so inequality is not unjust? you do use a definition that says unjust OR cruel. there are many definitions out there, too . . .

    Did you forget how to read when you left NYC. My post stated that their is unjust behavior towards women.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    scb wrote:
    I really wish you'd stop saying that. Although I obviously can't state with absolute certainty that no prostitute exists in the world who loves her job, it's a piss-poor and trivializing defense of a profession which generally serves to exploit women who are facing tragic life circumstances.

    That's hard to deal with facts.

    I saw a documentary about prostitutes both male and female, who live in countries where it's legal, who like or even love their job. Some were proud of their job.

    It's not a defense of the profession which exploits women who are facing such circumstances. It's a defense of the notion that prostitution will exist even without the objectification of women.
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  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    unifiedscene wrote:
    I've been trying to say this but never seem to get it right. This is exactly what I mean. Is it wrong for a woman to go into a bar and have a one night stand with no intent of ever speaking to the guy again, just because she wants sex? When it is a guy doing it and he simply hands her money instead of plying her with drinks and sweet talk for a few hours, why does it suddenly become wrong?



    no matter how you mix the genders up in either scenario...i personally see no *wrong* in it per se.



    what is *wrong8 with prostitution is obviously, right now, it IS illegal, and there ARe many who are used/abused/forced into this life. all the more reason why i personally think it should be made legal, so right there could be more protections put in place, for the 'benefit' of all involved.

    the reasons people utilized prostitutes are myriad, as are the reasons different men and women choose to be prostitues. but as any marginalized group, especially with such health consequences, i can only see *good* come from legalization.



    it's kinda like my view on legalized marijuana. more good than bad arises from such. i remember as a teen, my father, a MUCH older man, a republican, being all FOR legalization of maryjane for these reasons.


    i think for prostitution it would be far better for all to be legal.


    *btw - you mentioned earlier about men wanting to utilize prostitutes rather than have a commited relationship and i just have to point out, at least i am pretty sure...that the majority of men who utilize prostitues are in fact in committed relationships. so yea, there is 'more' to it than just easy sex, so much more......even in regards to men iring male prostitutes, women hiring prostitutes, etc.
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  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    mammasan wrote:
    Did you forget how to read when you left NYC. My post stated that their is unjust behavior towards women.

    but that's exactly why i asked. you use a definition that states oppression is unjust or cruel exercise of authority or power. you state that there is gender inequality. you deny that women are oppressed, even though there is inequality. so maybe you need to use a different definition of oppression to try and prove your point.

    oh and i can read. you may want to edit your post to change "their" to "there."
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    decides2dream wrote:
    you do not see the 'unjust' in a woman doing the same job for less pay? it IS unjust, thus part of opression. as i said earlier, you want to argue the degree of opression, fine...another point entirely, but to deny it is just, well, unjust.


    inequality = unjust.


    if YOU want to consider it ridiculous to use the term opression, certainly is your perogative. however, it doesn;t actually make it right either.

    i personally use the term inequality, but this is one area where i will not disagree with the right of others to use the term opression if they so desire, b/c it does fit.

    Funny, there's injustice towards men as well. I guess men are oppressed as well. Just in different degrees, you know.
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    VictoryGin wrote:
    but that's exactly why i asked. you use a definition that states oppression is unjust or cruel exercise of authority or power. you state that there is gender inequality. you deny that women are oppressed, even though there is inequality. so maybe you need to use a different definition of oppression to try and prove your point.

    oh and i can read. you may want to edit your post to change "their" to "there."

    Fucking proof readers :)
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Collin wrote:
    Funny, there's injustice towards men as well. I guess men are oppressed as well. Just in different degrees, you know.

    I feel oppressed because as a man I'm not allowed to show, what are considered, weak emotions by society.
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  • decides2dream
    decides2dream Posts: 14,977
    Collin wrote:
    Funny, there's injustice towards men as well. I guess men are oppressed as well. Just in different degrees, you know.


    i'll agree with that.


    i just see mammasan 'arguing' over the use of the term 'opression' and then by the very definition he posts, it CLEARLY states that opression is an injustice. so HOW he can possibly say it is 'wrong' to use the term opression, is beyond me. it is not an 'opinion'...it is what it is. one wants to say it's disingenuous, fine....THAT is an opinion, but 'definition-wise'....it IS oppression.



    as i said, i personally use the term 'inequality'....but i don't argue against correct word usage just b/c it is not my personal word choice to use.


    what's 'funny' is the assumptions of intent with some posts.
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  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    mammasan wrote:
    Fucking proof readers :)

    oh, see, why did you have to go and change that? you were right the first time.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    decides2dream wrote:
    i'll agree with that.


    i just see mammasan 'arguing' over the use of the term 'opression' and then by the very definition he posts, it CLEARLY states that opression is an injustice. so HOW he can possibly say it is 'wrong' to use the term opression, is beyond me. it is not an 'opinion'...it is what it is. one wants to say it's disingenuous, fine....THAT is an opinion, but 'definition-wise'....it IS oppression.



    as i said, i personally use the term 'inequality'....but i don't argue against correct word usage just b/c it is not my personal word choice to use.


    what's 'funny' is the assumptions of intent with some posts.

    I agree with your use of inequality.

    I'm glad you don't use a double standard and see men are being "oppressed" as well ;)
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    VictoryGin wrote:
    oh, see, why did you have to go and change that? you were right the first time.

    Because men are editors, women are proof readers. :)
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    mammasan wrote:
    I feel oppressed because as a man I'm not allowed to show, what are considered, weak emotions by society.

    In the last three months I've lost over 120 euro just because I'm male and because I wanted to enter parties.
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