Abortion ultrasound-viewing advances in S.C.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    abortion blablabla...some people want it some people don't.... whatever...

    now they can get a postcard if they want of the whole experience.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Trau wrote:
    Yes. And why might seeing that make them guilty?

    i didn't say it did. i said they were manipulated into feeling they were wrong in taking a human life despite its primitive form.
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    soulsinging wrote:
    cos it looks like a person and they know one day it might be. ever watch a movie and cry? know anyone who has? did they think it was really happening? that the person who just died onscreen actually died? or did the images simply trigger their human capacity for empathy and emotion, and make them feel sad, or angry, or proud? seeing an ultrasound and having it upset you means nothing. all it means is the people wanting to add to psychological pain of a woman making such a difficult decision are sick sons of bitches who get off on manipulating people to prove a political point.

    women who see it might feel guilt becos it was a difficult choice to make and it will have consequences and we are all bound to second guess ourselves on major decisions. is an american soldier wrong for feeling guilty about shooting an iraqi suicide bomber becos he wonders if maybe he could have stopped it some other way? maybe he could have, maybe he couldnt have. but he made a difficult judgment call and it is not for us to second guess his decisions in a situation we cannot begin to comprehend. should we "prepare" soldiers for battle in iraq by showing them the mangled bodies of iraqi children, just so that they "know" what they might end up doing by their decision to enlist?


    Oooh! There's an idea ss. Not that I'd ever advocate it. But as a potential suggestion, why don't they fit cameras to the helmets of all soldiers so that they video tape every killing and then make them sit through the video after the fact? Yeah, a completely sick thought, I agree but I'm just wondering perhaps if Trau might be able to better understand this analogy better than the women/abortion/ultrasound one?
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  • Trau
    Trau Posts: 188
    soulsinging wrote:
    that is a line. why not an egg? what about sperm? is masturbation genocide? at what point after you blow your load inside her does it become a human? do you even know? once the egg is fertilized? that's a line you're drawing.

    I consider human to be a human as soon as he or she is conceived. This is not a line drawn by me but by nature, and is therefore not arbitrary.

    Sperm and eggs are not humans by themselves because they will not, on their own, develop into anything else. They are what they are. When a child is conceived, a process of development has begun.
    is a woman who drinks while pregnant liable for murder or child abuse? what if she's a poor eater and it damages the fetus? negligent care?

    Yes, of course.
    it's still a line amigo. you just draw it earlier.

    Again, I haven't drawn any line at all. I have gone to the beginning, where nature has chosen to begin the process of human development.
    people of your ilk used to draw it even earlier than you do. they realized how stupid that was though. here's hoping you come to the same realization about your ideology and one day have the strength to admit that your belief is not fact.

    Just what is my ilk and what is my ideology?
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  • Trau
    Trau Posts: 188
    Jeanie wrote:
    "If you think that women take the issue of abortion with a grain of salt then I think you are very much mistaken."

    Why not take it with a grain of salt? Why is it a difficult decision to make?
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Trau wrote:
    Why not take it with a grain of salt? Why is it a difficult decision to make?

    Are you pushing for something in particular?

    The potential is there for an independent human life. I know this will please you no end. So jump on me now. That's what you've been hoping for right?
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  • Trau
    Trau Posts: 188
    Jeanie wrote:
    Are you pushing for something in particular?

    The potential is there for an independent human life. I know this will please you no end. So jump on me now. That's what you've been hoping for right?

    Have you been manipulated by society to feel compassion for a life that will be lost? Or do you think that as a human being, you would naturally find it difficult to decide whether or not to rid yourself of the child?
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Trau wrote:
    Have you been manipulated by society to feel compassion for a life that will be lost? Or do you think that as a human being, you would naturally find it difficult to decide whether or not to rid yourself of the child?

    As a human being I would find it difficult to decide whether or not to rid my body of the potential for a human being.
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  • Trau
    Trau Posts: 188
    Okay. And what reasons would you deem acceptable for extinguishing that "potential" life?
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Trau wrote:
    Okay. And what reasons would you deem acceptable for extinguishing that "potential" life?

    when my personal well being is at risk.
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  • Trau
    Trau Posts: 188
    catefrances wrote:
    when my personal well being is at risk.

    Define personal well-being.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Trau wrote:
    Define personal well-being.

    my sanity.
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  • Trau
    Trau Posts: 188
    catefrances wrote:
    my sanity.

    I didn't know having a child could drive you insane.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Trau wrote:
    I didn't know having a child could drive you insane.

    then you obviously haven't
    A) been a parent
    B) been pregnant
    C) had a mental illness.
    D) any idea what you're talking about.
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Trau wrote:
    Okay. And what reasons would you deem acceptable for extinguishing that "potential" life?

    1) The health/psychological/economic/social or physical hardship of the incubator. As decided by the incubator.

    2) The complete non participation of the male dna donor

    3) The health of the potential life

    4) The potential for ill health/psychological/economic/social or physical harship of the potential life as decided by the incubator.

    Not sure if I've missed anything. I'll add it later if I have.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    5) you forgot one....
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Trau
    Trau Posts: 188
    Jeanie wrote:
    1) The health/psychological/economic/social or physical hardship of the incubator. As decided by the incubator.

    2) The complete non participation of the male dna donor

    3) The health of the potential life

    4) The potential for ill health/psychological/economic/social or physical harship of the potential life as decided by the incubator.

    Why are each of those reasons more important than the right of that "potential" person to live?
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    5) you forgot one....

    What did I forget Roland? :)
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Trau wrote:
    Why are each of those reasons more important than the right of that "potential" person to live?

    These may not be the reasons that other people have for seeking a termination of pregnancy Trau.

    So bearing in mind that they are mine, then I'll say quiet plainly that I am an advocate of quality of life over quantity of life.

    So should I find myself pregnant and wanting a termination for any of the above reasons then my decision to terminate would always be based on the following question. Can I provide a quality life for this potential person?

    Life above all else is not always the most humane option.
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  • Trau
    Trau Posts: 188
    Quality of life? That is very subjective.

    Especially since you don't have to raise the child if you do not want to.

    It seems like convenience for you versus another person's right to exist.
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