Israel may have broken US arms export laws
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Sanctions unlikely? Over a MILLION cluster bomblets in populated areas? Is Israel on a terrorist list somewhere?
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Israel may have broken US arms export laws
Sun Jan 28, 1:19 PM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/usisraellebanonbombs&printer=1;_ylt=AggiPoifm4Roq60On_XdDwqROrgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-
The White House will inform Congress that Israel may have violated US arms export agreements by using US-supplied cluster bombs in south Lebanon last year, a newspaper reported.
Unless Congress takes legislative action, The New York Times said, President George W. Bush has discretion under US law about whether to impose sanctions on Israel, which US officials said would be unlikely.
"We're forwarding to Congress a preliminary assessment," State Department spokesman Kurtis Cooper confirmed to AFP Sunday, although he declined to reveal what the probe's findings were.
Cooper added that the investigation "was launched when this allegation first came to light," and that there is, at present "no schedule as to a final judgment."
The preliminary report is based on a probe launched in August and on information Israel gave the State Department in late 2006 acknowledging it fired thousands of cluster munitions but denying it broke any agreement, the state department told the newspaper.
Israeli foreign ministry spokesman Mark Regev told AFP in Jerusalem that Israel was fully cooperating with the investigation.
"We've worked in tight cooperation with the United States in full transparency and detail and we are also conducting our investigation into the issue on our side," Regev said.
During its July 12-August 14 air war against Lebanon, Israel dropped more than a million cluster bombs in southern Lebanon, according the United Nations, to counter Hezbollah rocket attacks that were killing Israelis.
The cluster munitions, which spread bomblets over a wide area from a single container, included artillery shells, rockets and bombs dropped from aircraft, many of which the US sold to Israel years ago, a US official told the daily.
The Arms Export Control Act bans the use of cluster munitions against populated areas. Israel says Lebanese civilians were not targeted but were warned ahead of the action by dropped leaflets.
Some State Department and Pentagon officials believe Israel used the cluster bombs in self-defense, while others contend they violated US law because they were used on populated areas, officials familiar with the debate told the newspaper.
"It is important to remember the kind of war Hezbollah waged," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack told the Times.
"They used innocent civilians as a way to shield their fighters."
The sanctions could include a ban on the sale of cluster weapons to Israel similar to the six-year ban imposed 25 years ago under then US president Ronald Reagan, after Israel used cluster munitions in its 1982 invasion of Lebanon.
Since Israel manufactures its own cluster munitions, the daily added, any sanctions would have mainly symbolic significance.
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Israel may have broken US arms export laws
Sun Jan 28, 1:19 PM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/usisraellebanonbombs&printer=1;_ylt=AggiPoifm4Roq60On_XdDwqROrgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-
The White House will inform Congress that Israel may have violated US arms export agreements by using US-supplied cluster bombs in south Lebanon last year, a newspaper reported.
Unless Congress takes legislative action, The New York Times said, President George W. Bush has discretion under US law about whether to impose sanctions on Israel, which US officials said would be unlikely.
"We're forwarding to Congress a preliminary assessment," State Department spokesman Kurtis Cooper confirmed to AFP Sunday, although he declined to reveal what the probe's findings were.
Cooper added that the investigation "was launched when this allegation first came to light," and that there is, at present "no schedule as to a final judgment."
The preliminary report is based on a probe launched in August and on information Israel gave the State Department in late 2006 acknowledging it fired thousands of cluster munitions but denying it broke any agreement, the state department told the newspaper.
Israeli foreign ministry spokesman Mark Regev told AFP in Jerusalem that Israel was fully cooperating with the investigation.
"We've worked in tight cooperation with the United States in full transparency and detail and we are also conducting our investigation into the issue on our side," Regev said.
During its July 12-August 14 air war against Lebanon, Israel dropped more than a million cluster bombs in southern Lebanon, according the United Nations, to counter Hezbollah rocket attacks that were killing Israelis.
The cluster munitions, which spread bomblets over a wide area from a single container, included artillery shells, rockets and bombs dropped from aircraft, many of which the US sold to Israel years ago, a US official told the daily.
The Arms Export Control Act bans the use of cluster munitions against populated areas. Israel says Lebanese civilians were not targeted but were warned ahead of the action by dropped leaflets.
Some State Department and Pentagon officials believe Israel used the cluster bombs in self-defense, while others contend they violated US law because they were used on populated areas, officials familiar with the debate told the newspaper.
"It is important to remember the kind of war Hezbollah waged," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack told the Times.
"They used innocent civilians as a way to shield their fighters."
The sanctions could include a ban on the sale of cluster weapons to Israel similar to the six-year ban imposed 25 years ago under then US president Ronald Reagan, after Israel used cluster munitions in its 1982 invasion of Lebanon.
Since Israel manufactures its own cluster munitions, the daily added, any sanctions would have mainly symbolic significance.
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Rushlimbo wrote:Sanctions unlikely? Over a MILLION cluster bomblets in populated areas? Is Israel on a terrorist list somewhere?
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Israel may have broken US arms export laws
Sun Jan 28, 1:19 PM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/usisraellebanonbombs&printer=1;_ylt=AggiPoifm4Roq60On_XdDwqROrgF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-
The White House will inform Congress that Israel may have violated US arms export agreements by using US-supplied cluster bombs in south Lebanon last year, a newspaper reported.
Unless Congress takes legislative action, The New York Times said, President George W. Bush has discretion under US law about whether to impose sanctions on Israel, which US officials said would be unlikely.
"We're forwarding to Congress a preliminary assessment," State Department spokesman Kurtis Cooper confirmed to AFP Sunday, although he declined to reveal what the probe's findings were.
Cooper added that the investigation "was launched when this allegation first came to light," and that there is, at present "no schedule as to a final judgment."
The preliminary report is based on a probe launched in August and on information Israel gave the State Department in late 2006 acknowledging it fired thousands of cluster munitions but denying it broke any agreement, the state department told the newspaper.
Israeli foreign ministry spokesman Mark Regev told AFP in Jerusalem that Israel was fully cooperating with the investigation.
"We've worked in tight cooperation with the United States in full transparency and detail and we are also conducting our investigation into the issue on our side," Regev said.
During its July 12-August 14 air war against Lebanon, Israel dropped more than a million cluster bombs in southern Lebanon, according the United Nations, to counter Hezbollah rocket attacks that were killing Israelis.
The cluster munitions, which spread bomblets over a wide area from a single container, included artillery shells, rockets and bombs dropped from aircraft, many of which the US sold to Israel years ago, a US official told the daily.
The Arms Export Control Act bans the use of cluster munitions against populated areas. Israel says Lebanese civilians were not targeted but were warned ahead of the action by dropped leaflets.
Some State Department and Pentagon officials believe Israel used the cluster bombs in self-defense, while others contend they violated US law because they were used on populated areas, officials familiar with the debate told the newspaper.
"It is important to remember the kind of war Hezbollah waged," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack told the Times.
"They used innocent civilians as a way to shield their fighters."
The sanctions could include a ban on the sale of cluster weapons to Israel similar to the six-year ban imposed 25 years ago under then US president Ronald Reagan, after Israel used cluster munitions in its 1982 invasion of Lebanon.
Since Israel manufactures its own cluster munitions, the daily added, any sanctions would have mainly symbolic significance.
Then add us to the list. We use them readily in Iraq....A little hypocritical isn't it? And I was at the Lebanon border 3 months ago and could see with my own eyes that hezbollah used civillian buildings to fire on civillian israeli homes. There were dozens of bullet holes in every home on the ridge opposite to the Hezbollah village. I think if it were your house, you wouldnt be complaining that the bad guys cant get back into their fucking houses within rifle range of your children again.0 -
yes it's absolutely important to remember that hezbollah was using civilian houses as cover. and act accordingly. not be of the opinion that it's still okay to fire upon hezbollah fighters in that situation. you find another way.
and no i am not condoning the firing upon of israeli houses by hezbollah fighters either.hear my name
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So they shouldn't shoot back? It's hard to understand the dynamics of that region really by reading it and not seeing it. Let me explain. In Israel and Lebanon the areas are really divided up by village. You can be driving down the road and on the right of the road is an arab village and the left a jewish village. The same with the border area. On one side of the border are Israeli villages and the other side of the border are Lebaneese villages. Some of these villages are Shiite and therefore Hezbollah. Some are not. Some are Christian, some are Druze. But in the south, they are largely Shiite, and therefore Hezbollah. From a Hezbollah village to an Israeli village is measured in meters not miles. Easy sniper range and the villages are used purposefully as sniper nests. Entire villages in the Israeli (non - occupied) north were literally peppered with bullet holes. They all had to evacute because of the heavy fire from the village across the hill. And this is in an area of Israel not in dispute...catefrances wrote:yes it's absolutely important to remember that hezbollah was using civilian houses as cover. and act accordingly. not be of the opinion that it's still okay to fire upon hezbollah fighters in that situation. you find another way.
and no i am not condoning the firing upon of israeli houses by hezbollah fighters either.
So while I understand that cluster bomb use is brutal, it's a brutal place to live. Both sides employ brutal means to hang onto to their very tiny little piece of earth. And if certain villages were being used by snipers to kill civillians why on earth shouldn't israel do what it can to protect its citizens from it? Every country on earth has that right...0 -
did you not read my post?
the they did why shouldn't we argument doesn't fly with me exodus. israeli intelligence gets up to all kinds of adventures around the world. they should be able to work out how to get snipers without putting civilians in risk and again i am not condoning hezbollah fighters using civilians as shields.hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
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sorry. wasnt quite sure what you were saying;;;catefrances wrote:did you not read my post?
the they did why shouldn't we argument doesn't fly with me exodus. israeli intelligence gets up to all kinds of adventures around the world. they should be able to work out how to get snipers without putting civilians in risk and again i am not condoning hezbollah fighters using civilians as shields.0 -
The American solution will be to give them another billion dollars, a handshake, and a warm smile.0
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they will prolly have a "convenient" suicide bombing to justify their war crimeslife has nothing to do with killing time
Bring it on cause I'm no victim
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Byrnzie wrote:It came this morning. What good timing!
ironic... huh???
When you only define yourself by telling the world how bad your enemy is....you will always need a bad bad enemy
or else the attention turns to youlife has nothing to do with killing time
Bring it on cause I'm no victim
b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america0 -
lol@ it being ironic. May Israel win at all costs.America...the greatest Country in the world.0
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miller8966 wrote:lol@ it being ironic. May Israel win at all costs.
"until jesus wastes their ass" ?
right, millerman?life has nothing to do with killing time
Bring it on cause I'm no victim
b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america0 -
B nice wrote:"until jesus wastes their ass" ?
right, millerman?
Not really. But hugging trees wont make the palestinians give up terrorAmerica...the greatest Country in the world.0 -
miller8966 wrote:Not really. But hugging trees wont make the palestinians give up terror
the Lebanese "election" was dubbed the "cedar revolution"
"terror" ?? One mans "terror" is another mans "struggle"
but remember... I am a "liberal" so I am against all violence( war/terror). and religion (judaism/christianity/islam....bigfoot/nessy...whatever)
so therelife has nothing to do with killing time
Bring it on cause I'm no victim
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miller8966 wrote:Not really. But hugging trees wont make the palestinians give up terror
An what dya think would make Israel give up terror?0 -
B nice wrote:the Lebanese "election" was dubbed the "cedar revolution"
"terror" ?? One mans "terror" is another mans "struggle"
but remember... I am a "liberal" so I am against all violence( war/terror). and religion (judaism/christianity/islam....bigfoot/nessy...whatever)
so there
Cool. I am a "conservative" and am against ( atheism/drugs)America...the greatest Country in the world.0 -
miller8966 wrote:Cool. I am a "conservative" and am against ( atheism/drugs)
you must be a muslim, i guesslife has nothing to do with killing time
Bring it on cause I'm no victim
b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america0 -
B nice wrote:you must be a muslim, i guess
nope christianAmerica...the greatest Country in the world.0 -
life has nothing to do with killing time
Bring it on cause I'm no victim
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B nice wrote:same thing
Yea...sure it is. Put down the peace pipe.America...the greatest Country in the world.0 -
miller8966 wrote:Yea...sure it is. Put down the peace pipe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_of_Jesus
seriously
it's the same thing
also ... a fundamentalist is fundamentalistlife has nothing to do with killing time
Bring it on cause I'm no victim
b nice loves pearl jam like ed vedder loves america0
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