US to Pakistan: "We will bomb you back to the stone age"

The Waiting Trophy Man · September 2006

beemster wrote:

As far as the Muslim Terrorist go, I personally believe they want the whole world to convert to Muslim, they basically have said that a few weeks back when the al quaida number 2 guy called on Americans to convert.

you mean how the u.s. wants to spread "democracy" in the middle east?? maybe they should try to be a democracy first, see if it works, then try to spread it.

Cosmo · September 2006

miller8966 wrote:

Current Developments

Already events are moving fast. On Thursday, September 13, Pakistan closed its airspace for several hours grounding all commercial flights. Speculation is rife that this might have been done to enable the United States to prepare to deploy a small group of forces at northern military bases in Pakistan. A day earlier, on September 12, U.S. Army General Tommy Franks, commander-in-chief of U.S. Central Command, arrived in Pakistan to discuss intelligence cooperation and possible military action. At the same time, Lt. General Mahmood Ahmed, chief of Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence, met with Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage. Furthermore, reportedly, Pakistan has frozen the accounts of the Taliban, has deployed an estimated 45,000 troops on high alert along the border with Afghanistan, and has provided updated information on Bin Laden's whereabouts. The United States has deployed two carrier battle groups in theater, which normally include fighter-bombers, and nuclear-powered attack submarines, battle cruisers, and destroyers armed with land-attack cruise missiles. And, for their part, the Taliban apparently are moving into battle positions.

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Guess what?
Iran suspended all air flights as the U.S. ramped up for the invasion of Iraq in 2003. They also shutdown all border crossings... so what? They didn't want their passenger planes blasted from the sky, either.
And Pakistan's 'Support'... other than them sharing their intelligence (which is basically saying, "I don't know") with us... what did they supply us with? Soldiers who's kid's name is 'Usama'.
I think you are thinking of the 'Northern alliance'... some of them were Pakistani. But, they were and are the opium drug lords who hated the Taliban for putting the kibash on their drug trade. Are those the Pakistanis you are talking about?
You may trust them... i trust them as far as i can throw a bulldozer.

even flow? · September 2006

bin-stones, meet the bin-stones, their a modern muslim family, from the, town of Karak, bombed back to the 1st century,

let's ride with the hummers down the street, indiscriminately killing all the people that they meet

when you're with the bin-stones, you'll have a ka-ka-ka-boom time, a ka-ka-boom time, we'll have a grave ole time

miller8966 · September 2006

Cosmo wrote:

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Guess what?
Iran suspended all air flights as the U.S. ramped up for the invasion of Iraq in 2003. They also shutdown all border crossings... so what? They didn't want their passenger planes blasted from the sky, either.
And Pakistan's 'Support'... other than them sharing their intelligence (which is basically saying, "I don't know") with us... what did they supply us with? Soldiers who's kid's name is 'Usama'.
I think you are thinking of the 'Northern alliance'... some of them were Pakistani. But, they were and are the opium drug lords who hated the Taliban for putting the kibash on their drug trade. Are those the Pakistanis you are talking about?
You may trust them... i trust them as far as i can throw a bulldozer.

SOurce? You cant just make stuff up

Cosmo · September 2006

miller8966 wrote:

SOurce? You cant just make stuff up

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A piece on how some Pakistanis feel about Bin Laden:
"Bin Laden has become a folk hero here to many. More than 12,000 Pakistani parents named their newborn sons "Osama" last year. Some 5,700 named their infants "Jihad," hospital officials say."
ref. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001/09/20/pakistan.htm
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On the Opium Trade in Afghanistan:
"Two weeks ago, the top U.N. anti-drug official aroused new international alarm when he announced here that the cultivation of opium poppies in Afghanistan had increased by 59 percent in the past year. It grew despite a slew of expensive, foreign-funded programs to eradicate poppy fields and motivate Afghan farmers to grow other crops.
Poppy farming, banned in 2000 by the Taliban administration that U.S.-led forces overthrew the following year, quickly revived after the establishment of a U.N.-backed government and has been spreading rapidly ever since. It now accounts for more than half the country's gross national income and provides the raw material for about 75 percent of the world's heroin.
"It's become an industrial production," said Doris Buddenberg, director of the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime here, noting that Afghanistan's opium output this year was a staggering 6,700 tons. Rural poverty, dashed hopes for economic recovery, Taliban blandishments and anti-government sentiment "all added up to more families deciding to grow poppy," she said.
But anti-drug officials and experts here say the expansion of drug smuggling and refining is a far more pernicious problem than poppy farming and could easily turn Afghanistan into another Colombia."
ref. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/18/AR2006091801282.html?nav=rss_world
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Still looking for the timeline regarding Iran. The purpose of the suspension of Iranian air traffic was to prevent the accidentl shoot-down of a commercial aircraft... and so Hussein's pilots could not repeat their actions of 1991... skirt commercial aircraft to avoid getting attacked by coalition fighters as that ran away from the fight.

MrBrian · September 2006

interesting thing about "jihad", it's arabic for "struggle" or "striving", I knew a guy here in orlando who's name was "jihad" but he did'nt tell people, he called himself "jake" cause he found it easier.

El_Kabong · September 2006

darkcrow wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060921/pl_afp/usattackspakistan_060921194310

NEW YORK (AFP) - The United States threatened to bomb Pakistan "back to the stone age" in 2001 unless it cooperated in the US-led war on terror, President Pervez Musharraf said in an interview.

Musharraf, whose support for the US-led invasion of Afghanistan was instrumental in the fall of the hardline Taliban regime after the September 11, 2001 attacks, said the threat came from former deputy secretary of state Richard Armitage.

The Pakistani leader said the comments were delivered to his intelligence director, according to selected transcripts of the interview with CBS television's "60 Minutes" investigative news programme due to be broadcast Sunday.

"The intelligence director told me that (Armitage) said, 'Be prepared to be bombed. Be prepared to go back to the stone age'," Musharraf said.

"I think it was a very rude remark," Musharraf says in the interview. "One has to think and take actions in the interests of the nation, and that's what I did."

Shortly after the September 11 attacks, Pakistan abandoned its support for the Taliban, which was sheltering Al-Qaeda leaders, and became a front-line ally in the US-led "war on terror."

Pakistan has arrested several senior Al-Qaeda members including Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, the alleged mastermind of the 2001 attacks.

The South Asian country has also deployed around 80,000 troops on the rugged border with Afghanistan to hunt pro-Taliban and Al-Qaeda linked militants who sneaked into the area after fleeing the US-led invasion of Afghanistan.

Armitage's alleged threat also demanded that Pakistan turn over border posts and bases for the US military to use in the war in Afghanistan, which ended with the Taliban regime's collapse in late 2001.

Other "ludicrous" demands required Pakistan to suppress domestic expressions of support for militant attacks on US targets, according to the CBS, which produces 60 Minutes.

"If somebody's expressing views, we cannot curb the expression of views," it quoted Musharraf as saying.

In the interview, Musharraf also reveals an embarrassing episode in which former CIA director George Tenet confronted him in 2003 with proof that Pakistan's top nuclear scientist was passing secrets to Libya, Iran and North Korea.

Abdul Qadeer Khan, held as hero in Pakistan for helping to make the country a nuclear power, admitted giving away nuclear secrets in a televised confession in February 2004, exposing a global black market in nuclear technology.

"He (Tenet) took his briefcase out, passed me some papers. It was a centrifuge design with all its numbers and signatures of Pakistan. It was the most embarrassing moment," Musharraf says.

It was only then, he says, that he realised that not only had blueprints been leaked, but that centrifuges themselves -- a crucial technology needed to enrich uranium to weapons grade -- were being passed on, CBS said.

Musharraf denies that anyone in the government or military was aware of the leak.

He pardoned Khan the same month, but the ailing scientist has since lived under virtual house arrest in a leafy diplomatic sector in Islamabad and makes no public appearances.

is this the same intelligence director that the wall street journal wrote wired $100,000 to mohammed atta shortly before 9/11?

Byrnzie · September 2006

Glad to see the U.S is continuing to carry the torch of freedom and democracy throughout the world.....

Pakistan: Enforced disappearances in the 'war on terror'

http://news.amnesty.org/index/ENGASA330382006
Press release, 29/09/2006

In cooperating in the US-led 'war on terror', the Pakistani government has systematically committed human rights abuses against hundreds of Pakistanis and foreign nationals. As the practice of enforced disappearance has spread, people have been arrested and held incommunicado in secret locations with their detention officially denied. They are at risk of torture and unlawful transfer to third countries.

"The road to Guantánamo very literally starts in Pakistan," said Claudio Cordone, Senior Director of Research at Amnesty International.

"Hundreds of people have been picked up in mass arrests, many have been sold to the USA as 'terrorists' simply on the word of their captor, and hundreds have been transferred to Guantánamo Bay, Bagram Airbase or secret detention centres run by the USA."

The routine practice of offering rewards running to thousands of dollars for unidentified terror suspects facilitated illegal detention and enforced disappearance. Bounty hunters -- including police officers and local people -- have captured individuals of different nationalities, often apparently at random, and sold them into US custody.
More than 85 percent of detainees at Guantánamo Bay were arrested, not by US forces, but by the Afghan Northern Alliance and in Pakistan at a time when rewards of up to US$5,000 were paid for every "terrorist" handed over to the USA. Often the only grounds for holding them were the allegations of their captors, who stood to gain from their arrest. Some 300 people -- previously labelled as "terrorists" and "killers" by the US government -- have since been released from Guantánamo Bay without charge, the majority to Pakistan or Afghanistan.

"Enforced disappearances were almost unheard of in Pakistan before the start of the US-led 'war on terror' -- now they are a growing phenomenon, spreading beyond terror suspects to Baloch and Sindhi nationalists and journalists," said Angelika Pathak, South Asia researcher at Amnesty International.

Many detainees remain unaccounted for, their fate and whereabouts unknown. Three women and five children were arrested alongside Tanzanian terror suspect Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani in Punjab province in July 2004. They included a baby and a 13-year-old Saudi boy called Talha, according to reports. More than two years later, nothing is known about the fate and whereabouts of Talha and the other children and women. Ahmed Ghailani was one of 14 individuals transferred from secret CIA custody to Guantánamo Bay in September 2006.

"These and other children have been detained in Pakistan's pursuit of the 'war on terror' -- and not even the children, let alone the adults, have been presumed innocent and allowed to challenge the legality of their detention," said Angelika Pathak. "Rather, they have spent months and years imprisoned without trial."

Pakistani politicians, media and civil society need to take a stand and hold the government to account so the practice is ended and the fate and whereabouts of all victims clarified.

The non-governmental Human Rights Commission of Pakistan has noted a new tolerance to abuses and suggested it might be attributable to the "impact of the war on terrorism on the public psyche".

Terror suspects held in secret are especially vulnerable to torture in Pakistan. Victims have been hung upside down and beaten and deprived of sleep and food. Agents from other countries, including the USA, appear to have known of, or been present during interrogations of people held in arbitrary and secret detention.

"The Pakistani government must set up a central register of detainees and publish regular lists of all recognised places of detention so that in future nobody can be secretly imprisoned and face the risks of torture and other abuses that secret detention involves," said Angelika Pathak. "Foreign governments, including the US, must investigate all allegations of torture in which their agents may be complicit."

Relatives have few places to turn in searching for those who have been abducted. Police have refused to investigate or register complaints. Those who challenge detentions through the provincial high courts find that security forces deny all knowledge of a person's whereabouts and judges have frequently failed to challenge these denials.

Khalid Mehmood Rashid, a Pakistani national, was handed over to Pakistani officials in South Africa on 6 November 2005 and flown to Pakistan. He has not been seen since. Despite official acknowledgements that he is being held by the Pakistani government, the Ministry of Interior has not responded to his family's inquiries as to where he is being held.

The clandestine nature of the "war on terror" makes it impossible to know exactly how many enforced disappearances, other arbitrary detentions or unlawful killings have been committed in Pakistan, but Pakistani military spokesperson Major-General Shaukat Sultan said in June 2006 that since 2001 some 500 "terrorists" had been killed and over 1,000 had been arrested.

US to Pakistan: "We will bomb you back to the stone age"

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