I guess the threat was a pretty lame one at that! Not only did the States cough up some free fighter jets. But everybody and their mother know nothing at all has changed in Pakistan and they could well have the States number one fan living within their borders. Now if that don't put a smile on your face on a Friday, I don't know what will.
You dont how much this one post says about people with your mindset. Amazing, but not suprising.
You can dish it out, but you can't take it, huh? People such as you constantly criticize the US government and can't take anything that supports Bush or our foreign policy at face value. Then a story like this comes out of the Pakistani government, and it is instantly accepted as fact. That speaks volumes about people like you.
lol..dilute the thread by confusion? It's not just accepted as fact, it's supported by everything else that has happened. I know amenesia is running rampent these days but try thinking back to the events that led up to the war, you will see that this makes sense. Coalition of the Willing, lol, right. Cant' take it? When you look at things without bias, you have nothing to lose.
Tell me something that supports Bush and what he has done. One thing.
americans do not target civillians. they have dropped leaflets to warm the population. terrorsits tend to hide among civillans as well. while loss of innocent life is horrible, mistakes happen. my point is americans do not target a civillian complex and bomb it. we are only after the terrorists who killed us on 9/11
EXACTLY!
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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
- Benjamin Franklin
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.
-Will Rogers
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I think the United States is involved in too many world issues as it is...it should step back and let people decide their own fate. They have a pretty shitty track record when it comes to that sort of thing.
I have to agree...how did we get nominated saviour of the planet...personally, i'd like to see us send about 500k more troops to iraq, do a clean sweep of that shit hole, pull the hell out, leave em with a dirty sanchez, and dont give em a dime of aid, take care of pakistan and iran while we're pullin out, kick korea in the nuts on the way by and bring our boys home.
we will never get the job done over there until everybody here quits moaning and crying about civil rights. This war went down the shitter the first time they prosecuted a marine for threatening a prisoner with a barking dog.
and as far as pakistan...if they hadnt cooperated (if thats what you call it) then yes...back to the stone age you go! (should be a short trip).
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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
- Benjamin Franklin
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.
-Will Rogers
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I have to agree...how did we get nominated saviour of the planet...personally, i'd like to see us send about 500k more troops to iraq, do a clean sweep of that shit hole, pull the hell out, leave em with a dirty sanchez, and dont give em a dime of aid, take care of pakistan and iran while we're pullin out, kick korea in the nuts on the way by and bring our boys home.
we will never get the job done over there until everybody here quits moaning and crying about civil rights. This war went down the shitter the first time they prosecuted a marine for threatening a prisoner with a barking dog.
and as far as pakistan...if they hadnt cooperated (if thats what you call it) then yes...back to the stone age you go! (should be a short trip).
Then don't bitch and cry when terrorists attack you and your family.
I have to agree...how did we get nominated saviour of the planet...personally, i'd like to see us send about 500k more troops to iraq, do a clean sweep of that shit hole, pull the hell out, leave em with a dirty sanchez, and dont give em a dime of aid, take care of pakistan and iran while we're pullin out, kick korea in the nuts on the way by and bring our boys home.
we will never get the job done over there until everybody here quits moaning and crying about civil rights. This war went down the shitter the first time they prosecuted a marine for threatening a prisoner with a barking dog.
and as far as pakistan...if they hadnt cooperated (if thats what you call it) then yes...back to the stone age you go! (should be a short trip).
Ignorance is bliss! (Not an insult, but fact based on your statement)
Ignorance is bliss! (Not an insult, but fact based on your statement)
Buddy, i'm all for stomping the crap out of the terrorists...but we've screwed it up because everybody is too damn worried about prisoner torture and civilian deaths...we should be letting the german sheppards chew on the prisoner's nuts like play toys until they cough up intel....but o no, cant do that...thats inhumane..i didnt notice anything humane about 9/11....we need to bomb them back to the stone age..just as promised to pakistan...and then pull the hell out...and if they screw with us again...then we dont send in troops, we just carpet bomb the whole country and put up a walmart!
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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
- Benjamin Franklin
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.
-Will Rogers
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I have to agree...how did we get nominated saviour of the planet...personally, i'd like to see us send about 500k more troops to iraq, do a clean sweep of that shit hole, pull the hell out, leave em with a dirty sanchez, and dont give em a dime of aid, take care of pakistan and iran while we're pullin out, kick korea in the nuts on the way by and bring our boys home.
we will never get the job done over there until everybody here quits moaning and crying about civil rights. This war went down the shitter the first time they prosecuted a marine for threatening a prisoner with a barking dog.
and as far as pakistan...if they hadnt cooperated (if thats what you call it) then yes...back to the stone age you go! (should be a short trip).
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Well... we weren't nominated... we annointed ourselves as Saviour of the Planet. That whole, 'For Us or A'gin Us' thing got us into the fucking Iraq mess. The whole. 'Spreading Democracy' farce is all our doing... I'd like to blame the U.N. or Europe or Arabs, but being an American, I own up to my own mistakes. This whole 'Go over there and kick some ass' thing don't work.
And this Iraq thing... 290,000 reported Iraqi Security forces. I thought the 'Course' was supposed to be, we get to come home when we can 'Stand Up' Iraqi forces... remember... 'Stand Up, Step Down'? 290,000 Iraqi troops they tell us... and how many U.S. Soldiers have come home to stay? We still have the same troop levels as 2004. How many FUCKING Iraqis do we need? Get the job done? What is "The Job"? And how do we know when the Job is done?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Buddy, i'm all for stomping the crap out of the terrorists...but we've screwed it up because everybody is too damn worried about prisoner torture and civilian deaths...we should be letting the german sheppards chew on the prisoner's nuts like play toys until they cough up intel....but o no, cant do that...thats inhumane..i didnt notice anything humane about 9/11....we need to bomb them back to the stone age..just as promised to pakistan...and then pull the hell out...and if they screw with us again...then we dont send in troops, we just carpet bomb the whole country and put up a walmart!
americans do not target civillians. they have dropped leaflets to warm the population. terrorsits tend to hide among civillans as well. while loss of innocent life is horrible, mistakes happen. my point is americans do not target a civillian complex and bomb it. we are only after the terrorists who killed us on 9/11
Wow. Just wow. I'm really getting tired of american warmongering sympathizers who either don't know history or choose to spread lies despite knowing it.
Buddy, i'm all for stomping the crap out of the terrorists...but we've screwed it up because everybody is too damn worried about prisoner torture and civilian deaths...we should be letting the german sheppards chew on the prisoner's nuts like play toys until they cough up intel....but o no, cant do that...thats inhumane..i didnt notice anything humane about 9/11....we need to bomb them back to the stone age..just as promised to pakistan...and then pull the hell out...and if they screw with us again...then we dont send in troops, we just carpet bomb the whole country and put up a walmart!
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We've screwed it up because we failed to learn the lessons of Viet Nam. And because our leader asked for advice from his 'Higher Father', instead of following the doctrine set by his former C.I.A. Director, former decorated WWII Navy pilot, former President who lead a successful coalition in the same region father. If I'm going to war in the Middle East and my dad is George H.W. Bush... I'm asking him for guidence, not Jesus. Jesus is a great guy and all... but, His strategic and tactical skills on the battlefield... not so good.
As for torture... if you say it is okay to torture their guys... you are telling them it is okay for them to torture our guys. If you say, "They are already torturing our guys, so it is okay to torture theirs", then you are validating the torture of our guys.
Finally... there are enough Wal-Marts in the world... China does not need another outlet for their cheaply manufactured crap.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
you caught me...damn... and i guess u think bush is the root of all evil and that this govt. pulled off 9/11 just to give bush a chance to go after sadamm and steal his oil....dont answer...i probably already know...
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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
- Benjamin Franklin
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.
-Will Rogers
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As for torture... if you say it is okay to torture their guys... you are telling them it is okay for them to torture our guys. If you say, "They are already torturing our guys, so it is okay to torture theirs", then you are validating the torture of our guys.
were those our soldiers bodies that were burned and dragged and then hung from a bridge? thought so ...umm this is a war...when you try to stop it from being a war is when you screw yourself....maybe we should be passing out fresh daisies and putting giddeon bibles in all their nightstands while we're there too...maybe leave a mint on their pillow too....i hear the marines offer a fine "turn down service"...just remember their wake up call comes in the form of a 200mm howitzer...
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Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
- Benjamin Franklin
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.
-Will Rogers
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The intelligence director's alleged response to Armitage:
"Oh, yeah ... Well ... YOUR MOM! ..."
On a more serious note, this story is entirely plausible. I mean, the government of this country is secular, but the populace most assuredly is not. Pakistan's government would probably require more than a little arm twisting. Not to mention Pakistan's own status as a storehouse of fundamentalist types, some of whom are terrorists or terrorist sympathizers themselves. The U.S. choose to apply diplomatic pressure, rather than invade Pakistan as well ... I don't doubt that the governments' hands were tied in this case.
On the other hand, it would certainly play well to the home crowd to suggest this pressure was applied as opposed to admitting he was freely cooperating with America.
you caught me...damn... and i guess u think bush is the root of all evil and that this govt. pulled off 9/11 just to give bush a chance to go after sadamm and steal his oil....dont answer...i probably already know...
I look at things from both sides dude..give it a shot. You might learn something.
Wow. Just wow. I'm really getting tired of american warmongering sympathizers who either don't know history or choose to spread lies despite knowing it.
(queue some dumb response about how killing 200k civilians doesn't apply or how old this was or whatever...)
and i'm getting tired of american haters. if you want to debate whether we should have used the atomic bomb start your own thread. american policy does not state to kill civillians
were those our soldiers bodies that were burned and dragged and then hung from a bridge? thought so ...umm this is a war...when you try to stop it from being a war is when you screw yourself....maybe we should be passing out fresh daisies and putting giddeon bibles in all their nightstands while we're there too...maybe leave a mint on their pillow too....i hear the marines offer a fine "turn down service"...just remember their wake up call comes in the form of a 200mm howitzer...
and i'm getting tired of american haters. if you want to debate whether we should have used the atomic bomb start your own thread. american policy does not state to kill civillians
LOL.. how low can you get, you're blaming a suicide bomber that wouldnt be there unless we were there. I guess five hundred pound bombs dont do any damage right? It's policy, how hard is that to understand? Our actions have resulted in this mess, we shouldnt even be in Iraq. We dont even count these People as humans, they're collatoral damage. It's not american hating, it's the hating of an action and we happen to be the ones acting.
were those our soldiers bodies that were burned and dragged and then hung from a bridge? thought so ...umm this is a war...when you try to stop it from being a war is when you screw yourself....maybe we should be passing out fresh daisies and putting giddeon bibles in all their nightstands while we're there too...maybe leave a mint on their pillow too....i hear the marines offer a fine "turn down service"...just remember their wake up call comes in the form of a 200mm howitzer...
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A couple of notes...
Those were body guards from the Blackwater Agency... kind of a soldier of fortune agency... not uniformed U.S. military personel that were killed and mutilated on that bridge in Fallujah. If you say that torture of their guys is okay, then you are saying what they did to those contractors is okay... using the "Because this is war" excuse. I don't think it is okay. And if you say that our torture of their guys is okay because they did it to our guys first... you are saying, "we are as barbaric as you are". Are we?
And this is NOT war. It stopped being a war and started being a police action when our leader proclaimed the end of combat operations in Iraq from the deck of the U.S.S. Lincoln. Our soldiers stopped being soldiers and started being cops. That one all goes to our Commander In Chief... he made that call.
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As for the statement, "maybe we should be passing out fresh daisies and putting giddeon bibles in all their nightstands while we're there too...maybe leave a mint on their pillow too....i hear the marines offer a fine "turn down service"
MAYBE... we shouldn't be in that shithole in the first place.
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Finally, I think you are referring to the 8-inch gum on an M-110. The howitzer normally comes in the 105 or 155 variety. But, I get the gist of what you meant... a loud **BOOM**
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
LOL.. how low can you get, you're blaming a suicide bomber that wouldnt be there unless we were there. I guess five hundred pound bombs dont do any damage right? It's policy, how hard is that to understand? Our actions have resulted in this mess, we shouldnt even be in Iraq. We dont even count these People as humans, they're collatoral damage. It's not american hating, it's the hating of an action and we happen to be the ones acting.
im glad you think its funny. so a sucide bomber killing civillians is justified becuase after all its AMERICAS fault they are there in the first place.?
this website proves nothing. how can you prove these pics are from US bombs? we use presicion GPS guided bombs and very specific enemy targets. yes there is collaroral damage and civillains are killed and hurt. but NOT on purpose is my point. you dont get it do you. terrorists purposely find as many innocent civillians as it can and blow them up. American does not.
this proves nothing. how can you prove these pics are from US bombs? we use presicion GPS guided bombs and very specific enemy targets. yes there is collaroral damage and civillains are killed and hurt. but NOT on purpose is my point. you dont get it do you. terrorists purposely find as many innocent civillians as it can and blow them up. American does not.
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So... if in the 'War On Drugs'... the DEA swoops down on your neighborhood and burns down a cocaine safe house next to yours and in the ensuing gunfight, some of their stray bullets strike your kids and kills them... and the fire spreads to your roof and burns your house down... you wouldn't have a problem with the collateral damage because now you neighborhood is clear of one more drug dealer? You kids are only collateral damage and their lives don't mean anything in the larger 'War On Drugs'... right?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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You can dish it out, but you can't take it, huh? People such as you constantly criticize the US government and can't take anything that supports Bush or our foreign policy at face value. Then a story like this comes out of the Pakistani government, and it is instantly accepted as fact. That speaks volumes about people like you.
Tell me something that supports Bush and what he has done. One thing.
EXACTLY!
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
- Benjamin Franklin
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.
-Will Rogers
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guess next time they won't harbour terrorists!
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
- Benjamin Franklin
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.
-Will Rogers
_____________________
No actually, next time Osama tells them that the US is evil, they'll believe it and be the first to strap on a bomb.
I have to agree...how did we get nominated saviour of the planet...personally, i'd like to see us send about 500k more troops to iraq, do a clean sweep of that shit hole, pull the hell out, leave em with a dirty sanchez, and dont give em a dime of aid, take care of pakistan and iran while we're pullin out, kick korea in the nuts on the way by and bring our boys home.
we will never get the job done over there until everybody here quits moaning and crying about civil rights. This war went down the shitter the first time they prosecuted a marine for threatening a prisoner with a barking dog.
and as far as pakistan...if they hadnt cooperated (if thats what you call it) then yes...back to the stone age you go! (should be a short trip).
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
- Benjamin Franklin
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.
-Will Rogers
_____________________
The US harbours terrorists, Canada harbours terrorists, so does Germany, Belgium, France, The Netherlands and the UK...
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Then don't bitch and cry when terrorists attack you and your family.
naděje umírá poslední
Ignorance is bliss! (Not an insult, but fact based on your statement)
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
- Benjamin Franklin
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.
-Will Rogers
_____________________
Well... we weren't nominated... we annointed ourselves as Saviour of the Planet. That whole, 'For Us or A'gin Us' thing got us into the fucking Iraq mess. The whole. 'Spreading Democracy' farce is all our doing... I'd like to blame the U.N. or Europe or Arabs, but being an American, I own up to my own mistakes. This whole 'Go over there and kick some ass' thing don't work.
And this Iraq thing... 290,000 reported Iraqi Security forces. I thought the 'Course' was supposed to be, we get to come home when we can 'Stand Up' Iraqi forces... remember... 'Stand Up, Step Down'? 290,000 Iraqi troops they tell us... and how many U.S. Soldiers have come home to stay? We still have the same troop levels as 2004. How many FUCKING Iraqis do we need? Get the job done? What is "The Job"? And how do we know when the Job is done?
Hail, Hail!!!
Sounds like you're the terrorist buddy.
Wow. Just wow. I'm really getting tired of american warmongering sympathizers who either don't know history or choose to spread lies despite knowing it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki
(queue some dumb response about how killing 200k civilians doesn't apply or how old this was or whatever...)
We've screwed it up because we failed to learn the lessons of Viet Nam. And because our leader asked for advice from his 'Higher Father', instead of following the doctrine set by his former C.I.A. Director, former decorated WWII Navy pilot, former President who lead a successful coalition in the same region father. If I'm going to war in the Middle East and my dad is George H.W. Bush... I'm asking him for guidence, not Jesus. Jesus is a great guy and all... but, His strategic and tactical skills on the battlefield... not so good.
As for torture... if you say it is okay to torture their guys... you are telling them it is okay for them to torture our guys. If you say, "They are already torturing our guys, so it is okay to torture theirs", then you are validating the torture of our guys.
Finally... there are enough Wal-Marts in the world... China does not need another outlet for their cheaply manufactured crap.
Hail, Hail!!!
you caught me...damn... and i guess u think bush is the root of all evil and that this govt. pulled off 9/11 just to give bush a chance to go after sadamm and steal his oil....dont answer...i probably already know...
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
- Benjamin Franklin
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.
-Will Rogers
_____________________
were those our soldiers bodies that were burned and dragged and then hung from a bridge? thought so ...umm this is a war...when you try to stop it from being a war is when you screw yourself....maybe we should be passing out fresh daisies and putting giddeon bibles in all their nightstands while we're there too...maybe leave a mint on their pillow too....i hear the marines offer a fine "turn down service"...just remember their wake up call comes in the form of a 200mm howitzer...
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!
- Benjamin Franklin
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die, I want to go where they went.
-Will Rogers
_____________________
I look at things from both sides dude..give it a shot. You might learn something.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xv_QAootU08
and i'm getting tired of american haters. if you want to debate whether we should have used the atomic bomb start your own thread. american policy does not state to kill civillians
is that a dumb enough response for you?
No dude..not soldiers, contractors...
Actions speak louder than words dude...
http://www.geocities.com/kabuli.geo/iraq.jpg (graphic)
I bet you're against abortion too, right?
looks like work of a suicide bomber to me. or are you gonna tell me they dont target civillians?
by your post, you would say that america soliders saw these children and opened fire? ok i got it
THE U.S.A AINT LIKE THAT. COME ON USE UR COMMON SENCE.
ME TOO DUDE, MEE TOO!
to be livin here today.
‘Cause the flag still stands for freedom,
and they can’t take that away.
And I’m proud to be an American,
where at least I know I’m free.
And I wont forget the men who died,
who gave that right to me.
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_page1.htm
(very graphic)
Are these all suicide bombers too?
LOL.. how low can you get, you're blaming a suicide bomber that wouldnt be there unless we were there. I guess five hundred pound bombs dont do any damage right? It's policy, how hard is that to understand? Our actions have resulted in this mess, we shouldnt even be in Iraq. We dont even count these People as humans, they're collatoral damage. It's not american hating, it's the hating of an action and we happen to be the ones acting.
A couple of notes...
Those were body guards from the Blackwater Agency... kind of a soldier of fortune agency... not uniformed U.S. military personel that were killed and mutilated on that bridge in Fallujah. If you say that torture of their guys is okay, then you are saying what they did to those contractors is okay... using the "Because this is war" excuse. I don't think it is okay. And if you say that our torture of their guys is okay because they did it to our guys first... you are saying, "we are as barbaric as you are". Are we?
And this is NOT war. It stopped being a war and started being a police action when our leader proclaimed the end of combat operations in Iraq from the deck of the U.S.S. Lincoln. Our soldiers stopped being soldiers and started being cops. That one all goes to our Commander In Chief... he made that call.
...
As for the statement, "maybe we should be passing out fresh daisies and putting giddeon bibles in all their nightstands while we're there too...maybe leave a mint on their pillow too....i hear the marines offer a fine "turn down service"
MAYBE... we shouldn't be in that shithole in the first place.
...
Finally, I think you are referring to the 8-inch gum on an M-110. The howitzer normally comes in the 105 or 155 variety. But, I get the gist of what you meant... a loud **BOOM**
Hail, Hail!!!
im glad you think its funny. so a sucide bomber killing civillians is justified becuase after all its AMERICAS fault they are there in the first place.?
this website proves nothing. how can you prove these pics are from US bombs? we use presicion GPS guided bombs and very specific enemy targets. yes there is collaroral damage and civillains are killed and hurt. but NOT on purpose is my point. you dont get it do you. terrorists purposely find as many innocent civillians as it can and blow them up. American does not.
So... if in the 'War On Drugs'... the DEA swoops down on your neighborhood and burns down a cocaine safe house next to yours and in the ensuing gunfight, some of their stray bullets strike your kids and kills them... and the fire spreads to your roof and burns your house down... you wouldn't have a problem with the collateral damage because now you neighborhood is clear of one more drug dealer? You kids are only collateral damage and their lives don't mean anything in the larger 'War On Drugs'... right?
Hail, Hail!!!