Nader: A Vote Worth Casting!

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  • Nevermind
    Nevermind Posts: 1,006
    stupidcorporatewhore wrote:
    but mud slinging is ok I take it?
    I must have missed the mud slinging.
    stupidcorporatewhore wrote:
    the fear that bushco has stirred is based on lies and greed.
    True.
    stupidcorporatewhore wrote:
    my fears are based on fact and observation. You think that's some kind of clever rhetoric, but really you're just telling me to sit down and shut up.
    not gonna happen.
    Id rather you not shut up.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    hobbes wrote:
    national politics are bullshit anyway. career politicians have ruined the system. it'll only be a matter of time before obama is bought.

    if you want to change your world then focus on the state level.

    Only a matter of time....LOL


    You can focus on more than one level at one time. You can make the right votes on all levels...there is no restriction on the amount of votes you can place for 3rd parties.

    This is just a silly argument made to make it seem like you can't do more than vote Dems or Reps in the national election. Completely absurd notion.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    brain of c wrote:
    sorry, but nader is a joke. he couldn't run water, let alone a country.
    Thank God you type small....that's all I can say.
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    you know i love ya abook but trying to get americans to vote for nader is like trying to make wine out of oranges.
    Because most americans are lazy motherfuckers who sit their fat asses in front of a TV every night and care more about voting for american idol than for their president. It's sickening.
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Voting out of fear seems to point to a belief of being powerless in this situation. You aren't.

    The only vote thrown away is one where you didn't voice your true beliefs but instead settled for someone who contradicts those beliefs but you have been told he is the only option you have.

    There are always other options for us to choose. We just have to be willing to let go off the old ways that have proven to fail us over and over again and instead reach out for something that represents a new way. This old way is not working for our country. At some point you realize this and move on already.
    Excellent post. The only thing that would convince me even MORE that Nader is the right choice, is if he promised Abook a position in his cabinet.
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    hobbes wrote:
    but nader took votes and support from him.
    Dude, you've been around here long enough to have had many, many, MANY opportunities to get the facts on this. It's absolute ignorance to include that sentence in your post.
  • Urban Hiker
    Urban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:

    We can have anything happen in this country when we want it to..if we realized our power in this democracy of, by and for the people but we have to get behind it with our hearts, minds and effort first and quit thinking that crooked politicians will do it for us. It takes much more than supporting a broken system. It takes breaking the cycle and saying enough is enough.

    This is what I'm thinking every time someone starts telling me they admire Ralph Nader.
    They break my heart when they follow their words of admiration with "BUT", plus a long line of excuses of why we can't vote for him.

    I've heard so many say it that I KNOW Nader is a viable candidate. Unfortunately, the majority of people don't seem to believe in the power of their votes.

    Imagine if all who have ever admired him supported (by support, I mean getting out their and spreading the word) and voted for him.
    Walking can be a real trip
    ***********************
    "We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
    ***********************
    Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Eliot Rosewater wrote:
    Excellent post. The only thing that would convince me even MORE that Nader is the right choice, is if he promised Abook a position in his cabinet.


    :) Alright! Now we're talking! :D
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Urban Hiker wrote:
    This is what I'm thinking every time someone starts telling me they admire Ralph Nader.
    They break my heart when they follow their words of admiration with "BUT", plus a long line of excuses of why we can't vote for him.

    I've heard so many say it that I KNOW Nader is a viable candidate. Unfortunately, the majority of people don't seem to believe in the power of their votes.

    Imagine if all who have ever admired him supported (by support, I mean getting out their and spreading the word) and voted for him.


    I've been saying the same thing! It's amazing just how many respect and admire the man. And the ones who don't know of him seem soooo impressed by his history. But it's all about media spin and money....and those things don't make a good leader. They put out the kind of crap we've gotten all too used to and unfortunately comfortable with....we've gotten comfortable with the fact that our elected representative government isn't doing it's job, works against our interest and have become lulled into believing that's just how it has to be! It's not! We can end it this year.....it we truly wanted it and believed in our democracy and the power granted to us under it.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Urban Hiker
    Urban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/unreasonableman/wheresnader.html
    Walking can be a real trip
    ***********************
    "We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
    ***********************
    Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
  • Im still here
    Im still here Posts: 826
    face it 10% of the vote sux ass
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoowtOlxeQY
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I'm not really interested in aiming for what America has been prone to vote for. Kinda left a bad taste in my mouth. You? To me, they seem to have trouble when it comes to knowing what's best for them...a bit misguided if you will. I'm interested in change.

    I'm interested in getting the idea out there that we are not forced to vote for people who are undeserving and down right crooked. I'm interested in getting people to look at other options, take the time to look into the issues and see how they affect them. That's how you get them to think more about their vote...show them how important it really is. There is no obligation to vote for crap...I want better. How do I show that? By choosing things that are better and that I won't have to call 'less evil'. Win or lose...I'll know I did what I felt was right and that's all you really can do.

    Be it Nader, Kucinich, Gravel, Paul whomever...I'm willing to stand behind what I see as right because I believe in it....not because I think other's will also vote for it. That's how you get ideas to gain traction...you fight for it in the face of a steep climb when the odds are stacked against you. When people see others willing to do that...it gets them to pay attention and look deeper....just like with Paul this year. I don't share some of his ideology so I won't vote for him...but I applaud those brave enough to stand behind him because they view him as right...they did this no matter what they nay sayers spewed at them...and they have made a lasting impression! Bravo! That's what we need in this country. People who lead by example...each and every one of us. I'm not interested in following the trends of what the masses are doing. They'll catch on soon enough....they always have. We will just have to wait until then while steadily building a strong foundation. ;)

    first, i want to say that I found out that you actually can make wine out of oranges. who knew? and i wonder what vin d'orange tastes like. but anyway, my point still stands.

    i've reached the conclusion that Washington D.C. is incurable. it's hopelessly corrupt. there's too much money flowing through its doors. even if a person like Nader were elected President, there would still be an army of assholes standing in the way of progress and good government. so my solution is for states to secede one by one. i'm not saying that's likely to happen anytime soon. the biggest secession movements (Vermont, NH, Alaska, California, Hawaii) are still made up of small fractions of those states' populations (Vermont has probably the highest, with 13%). but i think it is at least a goal that worth working toward. when the shit really hits the fan one day, and this country becomes completely unmanageable, i think people will realize we have to make government more local. so it's best to put the bug in people's ears now. the only other option to undo chaos would be fascism.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    first, i want to say that I found out that you actually can make wine out of oranges. who knew? and i wonder what vin d'orange tastes like. but anyway, my point still stands.

    i've reached the conclusion that Washington D.C. is incurable. it's hopelessly corrupt. there's too much money flowing through its doors. even if a person like Nader were elected President, there would still be an army of assholes standing in the way of progress and good government. so my solution is for states to secede one by one. i'm not saying that's likely to happen anytime soon. the biggest secession movements (Vermont, NH, Alaska, California, Hawaii) are still made up of small fractions of those states' populations (Vermont has probably the highest, with 13%). but i think it is at least a goal that worth working toward. when the shit really hits the fan one day, and this country becomes completely unmanageable, i think people will realize we have to make government more local. so it's best to put the bug in people's ears now. the only other option to undo chaos would be fascism.


    If that's what you want to think...who knows, maybe you're right. I'm much more hopeful, though and am not afraid. And even if some of the assholes in Congress tried to block any progress psuhed by Nader...I'll still know that I voted my conscience and tried to bring about something or someone I truly believe in, they can't scare me from voting for him or make me feel powerless...that's all I can do with my vote, vote for what is right and stop supporting what I clearly know is wrong and unjust. So I'm going to treat my vote just like that....like it's MINE, it represents ME and is not dependent on assholes who try to control us.

    And besides let those fuckers in Congress give Nader a hard time about bringing something to this country like UHC...it's what the people want instead of the special interests for fucking once...that way the ball's in their court, we did what we could. Then they will have to expose themselves for the frauds they always have been...who don't give a shit about the people's interests and demands in this here 'democracy'. Let them show their true colors....I'm not worried one bit about them and they will not influence my vote thus continuing to get free passes to have their way.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Im still here wrote:
    face it 10% of the vote sux ass


    Supporting politicians who pander to special interests and take your vote for granted sux much worse...and we are living that and are giving them permission to continue on....grow soome balls and say enough is enough already. We are not obliged to vote for you...you don't deserve it.

    It's time we snap out of it, get out of this funk and FINALLY move on to better things!!!


    Why not???

    Really?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-NNmoA-3ho
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • catch22
    catch22 Posts: 1,081
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    Voting for Obama will end the war now?

    faster than voting for nader.

    it's easy for nader to have the perfect left wing platform... he's never held a political office. he's got no record. so you can comb obama's record and say he's pro-war or pro-this. i'd be curious how nader's record might look if he had ever actually sat in the senate and had to vote and work with people from another ideology to get legislation passed.
    and like that... he's gone.
  • cubbieblue82
    cubbieblue82 Posts: 292
    I am a liberal who likely would agree in theory to much of what Nader would like to do with this country. However, he is far from a viable candidate. He would never garner the support needed to win over independents and centrists, and that is a fact. His views are far left of mainstream America.

    We do not need someone who would divide this country, much in the same way that Bush and the Republicans have done this decade.

    Further, if elected, he would be rendered impotent by Congress, who would not just see, oh, Nader wants us to do this or that, so we had better get in line! Where are the Green Party members in congress to push across his initiatives.

    I've said it before, and I know you all don't agree, but trying to challenge the 2 party system from the top down will NEVER work! You need to build a following at the local level --> state level --> and then MAYBE you will have the influence to take on the Democrats and Republicans.

    Until then, keep clinging to your idealism... Me, I will proudly cast my vote for Barack Obama, and hope that there are enough sensible, pragmatic people in this country to do the same.
    Obama/Biden '08!!!
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    catch22 wrote:
    faster than voting for nader.

    it's easy for nader to have the perfect left wing platform... he's never held a political office. he's got no record. so you can comb obama's record and say he's pro-war or pro-this. i'd be curious how nader's record might look if he had ever actually sat in the senate and had to vote and work with people from another ideology to get legislation passed.


    Comb through? Pffft


    Obama has been in the senate though and doesn't have to much to show for it so why does that even matter? He offers no real change from that which we already have in place. He just says the word 'change' a lot while not bringing too much of it to the plate. Sound bytes and you're sold.

    Nader has a very impressive record and stands for the things I'd like to see happen in this country. I'll proudly vote for that over some empty promises from a politician who has been little more than just talk words any day.

    We, as a nation, have the the freedom to vote for whomever we feel is best and I'm going to do just that and use my voice to most accurately reflect my beliefs. I don't care what everyone else is doing or what others tell me is possible. I think for myself and don't follow numbers in making my decisions.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • NMyTree
    NMyTree Posts: 2,374
    I guess a Comb through, is better than a comb over.

    Hi ABook.


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