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Nader: A Vote Worth Casting!

AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
edited September 2008 in A Moving Train
Let’s Break the Cycle Right NOW!! Why not? If not now, when?

We are the ones we've been waiting for!! It starts NOW with US! We can't continue to sit back and just keep our fingers crossed that Obama will listen to us(if his FISA or War Funding votes are any clue....he won't. We will be in for 4 more years of the same old stuff). They take our votes for granted and ignore our needs and demands because they think they have us all scared to do anything about it and they think we depend on them, that nothing they ever do will be enough for us to get fed up and abandon them. This won't be changing anytime soon....that is, as long as these 2 major parties remain in power with a monopoly over our political system, they will continue to walk all over us and our constitution....because they can and worse, because we LET THEM! It's time for us to realize this, vote them all out and start over with something we can all be proud of!

Consider voting Ralph Nader!....just consider it. The media and others can't tell you how to vote or who is 'electable'. We the voters get to decide that on election day by going out and voting our conscience and for what represents our principles. Our vote is our chance to have our voice truly heard and go towards what we want to see in this country. Don't waste your one chance to express your voice in this democracy by throwing it away on someone you don't have faith in or even agree with on so many issues. If Obama reflects your own views of how this country should be ran then by all means vote for him, the same goes for McCain, Barr, McKinney etc...But if you feel the two major parties have let us down, totally screwed this country up and are corrupt then please stop voting for them!!! We really aren't obligated to despite what you might think, be told or hear from the media. Don't vote in fear. Find someone worth voting FOR, someone you're proud to support, whomever it ends up being....I don't care. Let's just finally reach a consensus that we are tired and fed up with how our country has been ran for years on top of years now and take steps to end this mess then clean it up. It's LONG overdue.

Just take a bit and read his proposals and hear them out. It will be well worth your time! It will take a lot of effort but we can get this done....we have a lot of spirit in this country if nothing else. We take pride in our country...let's start showing it by our actions and involvement and not just our flags and bumper stickers.

Adopt National Initiative
http://www.votenader.org/issues/national-initiative/


UHC
http://www.votenader.org/issues/single-payer/
http://www.votenader.org/issues/social/healthcare/

Military Budget
http://www.votenader.org/issues/military-budget/

Corporate Crime and Welfare
http://www.votenader.org/issues/corporate-crime/
http://www.votenader.org/issues/market/corporate-crime/

Energy
http://www.votenader.org/issues/energy/

Carbon Tax
http://www.votenader.org/issues/carbon-tax/

Middle East
http://www.votenader.org/issues/middle-east/

Repeal Taft-Hartley
http://www.votenader.org/issues/taft-hartley/

Speculation Tax
http://www.votenader.org/issues/speculation-tax/

End Corporate Personhood
http://www.votenader.org/issues/corporate-personhood/

Tort System
http://www.votenader.org/issues/tort-system/

Open Up Presidential Debates
http://www.votenader.org/issues/presidential-debates/

Ballot Access
http://www.votenader.org/issues/ballot-access/

Impeachment
http://www.votenader.org/issues/impeachment/

Environment
http://www.votenader.org/issues/environment/

Education
http://www.votenader.org/issues/social/education/

Civil Liberties
http://www.votenader.org/issues/social/civil-liberties/

Fair Tax
http://www.votenader.org/issues/fiscal/fair-tax/

Federal Budget
http://www.votenader.org/issues/fiscal/federal-budget/

Jobs
http://www.votenader.org/issues/fiscal/jobs/

Poverty
http://www.votenader.org/issues/fiscal/poverty/

Fair Trade
http://www.votenader.org/issues/market/fair-trade/

Agriculture
http://www.votenader.org/issues/market/agriculture/

Worker's Rights
http://www.votenader.org/issues/labor/workers-rights/

Electoral Reform
http://www.votenader.org/issues/political/electoral-reform/

Shift the Power
http://www.votenader.org/issues/political/shift-the-power/

Media Bias
http://www.votenader.org/issues/political/media-bias/

Israel
http://www.votenader.org/issues/foreign-policy/israel/

Middle East Peace
http://www.votenader.org/issues/foreign-policy/peace/
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Also, for anyone interested, come check out my myspace blog and leave your feedback. :)

    myspace.com/abookamongst
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/nader-on-rush-limbaugh-and-corporate-welfare/
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • VinceVince Posts: 174
    Nader is so 2000. There is too much at stake to waste a vote on Nader. My days of voting third party are over at least in the near future. Voting for Nader will not end the war, create jobs or enable millions access to health care.
    “Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened.”
  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Vince wrote:
    Nader is so 2000. There is too much at stake to waste a vote on Nader. My days of voting third party are over at least in the near future. Voting for Nader will not end the war, create jobs or enable millions access to health care.
    Voting for Obama will end the war now?
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • brain of cbrain of c Posts: 5,213
    sorry, but nader is a joke. he couldn't run water, let alone a country.
    d'oh!!!!!!

    http://www.myspace.com/brain_of_c
  • Urban HikerUrban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    brain of c wrote:
    sorry, but nader is a joke. he couldn't run water, let alone a country.

    Nader is a remarkable man. People who doubt his contribution to the well being of others as a professional citizen are are joke.
    Walking can be a real trip
    ***********************
    "We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
    ***********************
    Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
  • brain of cbrain of c Posts: 5,213
    Urban Hiker wrote:
    Nader is a remarkable man. People who doubt his contribution to the well being of others as a professional citizen are are joke.

    you are entitled to your wrong opinion. does your doctor know you're on the internet?
    d'oh!!!!!!

    http://www.myspace.com/brain_of_c
  • stupidcorporatewhorestupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    Urban Hiker wrote:
    Nader is a remarkable man. People who doubt his contribution to the well being of others as a professional citizen are are joke.

    yes. but that makes him like carter in reverse. effective, respectable citizen....

    terrible president.

    you nader folk must feel strongly about this guy if you are willing to risk Putting America through the McCain nightmare.

    it's your right to throw away your vote.
  • NevermindNevermind Posts: 1,006
    stupidcorporatewhore wrote:
    you nader folk must feel strongly about this guy if you are willing to risk Putting America through the McCain nightmare.

    it's your right to throw away your vote.
    Enough fear mongering. Leave it to the republicans and corporate media.
  • Urban HikerUrban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    brain of c wrote:
    you are entitled to your wrong opinion. does your doctor know you're on the internet?

    I didn't state it as opinion. I stated it as fact.

    And, to answer your question, Yes.
    Walking can be a real trip
    ***********************
    "We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
    ***********************
    Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Nevermind wrote:
    Enough fear mongering. Leave it to the republicans and corporate media.
    Nice point.

    Unfortunately, it's my opinion that most fear mongering is done by people who don't know how to deal with their own fear. They truly buy into it.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

    http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta

    Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
  • brain of cbrain of c Posts: 5,213
    Urban Hiker wrote:
    I didn't state it as opinion. I stated it as fact.

    And, to answer your question, Yes.

    word.
    d'oh!!!!!!

    http://www.myspace.com/brain_of_c
  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    stupidcorporatewhore wrote:
    terrible president.

    Very true.
  • stupidcorporatewhorestupidcorporatewhore Posts: 761
    Nevermind wrote:
    Enough fear mongering. Leave it to the republicans and corporate media.

    but mud slinging is ok I take it?

    the fear that bushco has stirred is based on lies and greed.

    my fears are based on fact and observation. You think that's some kind of clever rhetoric, but really you're just telling me to sit down and shut up.

    not gonna happen.
  • Urban HikerUrban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    stupidcorporatewhore wrote:
    yes. but that makes him like carter in reverse. effective, respectable citizen....

    terrible president.

    you nader folk must feel strongly about this guy if you are willing to risk Putting America through the McCain nightmare.


    I don't recall Carter succeeding as president. Maybe if he hadn't been the first to close the White House doors to Nader, he would have made it to a second term.

    I do feel strongly about Nader. If the people vote for McCain, well then, they get what they asked for.
    Walking can be a real trip
    ***********************
    "We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
    ***********************
    Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    Urban Hiker wrote:
    I don't recall Carter succeeding as president. Maybe if he hadn't been the first to close the White House doors to Nader, he would have made it to a second term.

    I had no idea Nader was this powerful.
  • Urban HikerUrban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    flywallyfly wrote:
    I had no idea Nader was this powerful.

    I take it you haven't checked out his legislative track record.

    I think Abook posted a lot of this useful info in the OP.
    Walking can be a real trip
    ***********************
    "We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
    ***********************
    Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
  • i am a targeti am a target Posts: 808
    Urban Hiker wrote:
    Nader is a remarkable man. People who doubt his contribution to the well being of others as a professional citizen are are joke.

    yes. no one can question is contributions to the well being of others. however in recent years the negative impact he has had cannot be measured. not to mention the pretense and arrogance that surround the man now. he's holding on to stuff he did many years ago. he is NOT A VIABLE THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE. give up. i'm fucking sick of his bullshit. his "obama is talking white" ended any respect i have for the man.
  • Urban HikerUrban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    hobbes wrote:
    yes. no one can question is contributions to the well being of others. however in recent years the negative impact he has had cannot be measured. not to mention the pretense and arrogance that surround the man now. he's holding on to stuff he did many years ago. he is NOT A VIABLE THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE. give up. i'm fucking sick of his bullshit. his "obama is talking white" ended any respect i have for the man.

    I will not give up. I disagree with your assertion that Nader is surrounded by pretense and arrogance. I have met the man. He comes across as very down to earth to me.
    He has dedicated his life to the good of the US and its people. I will be forever grateful to him and champion his causes whenever and however I see fit.
    Walking can be a real trip
    ***********************
    "We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
    ***********************
    Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
  • kenny olavkenny olav Posts: 3,319
    you know i love ya abook but trying to get americans to vote for nader is like trying to make wine out of oranges.



    EDIT:

    I found out that you actually CAN make wine out of oranges. it's called, en Francais, vin d'orange.

    so to correct my analogy, trying to get americans to vote for Nader is like trying to make wine out of Cheez-its.
  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    Urban Hiker wrote:
    I take it you haven't checked out his legislative track record.

    I think Abook posted a lot of this useful info in the OP.

    I'm having some trouble with the links. Could you please explain in a short manner how Nader's legislative track record mixed with Carter ignoring Nader lead to Carter being a one term president. I always thought it had to do with the economy, the Iranian hostage crisis mishandling, and general malaise the American people felt towards his administration.
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Kenny Olav wrote:
    you know i love ya abook but trying to get americans to vote for nader is like trying to make wine out of oranges.


    I'm not really interested in aiming for what America has been prone to vote for. Kinda left a bad taste in my mouth. You? To me, they seem to have trouble when it comes to knowing what's best for them...a bit misguided if you will. I'm interested in change.

    I'm interested in getting the idea out there that we are not forced to vote for people who are undeserving and down right crooked. I'm interested in getting people to look at other options, take the time to look into the issues and see how they affect them. That's how you get them to think more about their vote...show them how important it really is. There is no obligation to vote for crap...I want better. How do I show that? By choosing things that are better and that I won't have to call 'less evil'. Win or lose...I'll know I did what I felt was right and that's all you really can do.

    Be it Nader, Kucinich, Gravel, Paul whomever...I'm willing to stand behind what I see as right because I believe in it....not because I think other's will also vote for it. That's how you get ideas to gain traction...you fight for it in the face of a steep climb when the odds are stacked against you. When people see others willing to do that...it gets them to pay attention and look deeper....just like with Paul this year. I don't share some of his ideology so I won't vote for him...but I applaud those brave enough to stand behind him because they view him as right...they did this no matter what they nay sayers spewed at them...and they have made a lasting impression! Bravo! That's what we need in this country. People who lead by example...each and every one of us. I'm not interested in following the trends of what the masses are doing. They'll catch on soon enough....they always have. We will just have to wait until then while steadily building a strong foundation. ;)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    angelica wrote:
    Nice point.

    Unfortunately, it's my opinion that most fear mongering is done by people who don't know how to deal with their own fear. They truly buy into it.


    Very well said!
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    I'm gonna ignore the rest of your excellent post for the sake of this one joke:
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I'm interested in change.

    Then Obama's your man! :D
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    hobbes wrote:
    yes. no one can question is contributions to the well being of others. however in recent years the negative impact he has had cannot be measured. not to mention the pretense and arrogance that surround the man now. he's holding on to stuff he did many years ago. he is NOT A VIABLE THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE. give up. i'm fucking sick of his bullshit. his "obama is talking white" ended any respect i have for the man.


    What do you base this opinion of pretension on?

    and negative impact?

    arrogance?

    not viable?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    stupidcorporatewhore wrote:
    yes. but that makes him like carter in reverse. effective, respectable citizen....

    terrible president.

    you nader folk must feel strongly about this guy if you are willing to risk Putting America through the McCain nightmare.

    it's your right to throw away your vote.


    Voting out of fear seems to point to a belief of being powerless in this situation. You aren't.

    The only vote thrown away is one where you didn't voice your true beliefs but instead settled for someone who contradicts those beliefs but you have been told he is the only option you have.

    There are always other options for us to choose. We just have to be willing to let go off the old ways that have proven to fail us over and over again and instead reach out for something that represents a new way. This old way is not working for our country. At some point you realize this and move on already.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Urban HikerUrban Hiker Posts: 1,312
    flywallyfly wrote:
    I'm having some trouble with the links. Could you please explain in a short manner how Nader's legislative track record mixed with Carter ignoring Nader lead to Carter being a one term president. I always thought it had to do with the economy, the Iranian hostage crisis mishandling, and general malaise the American people felt towards his administration.

    Nader was able to attack corporations and safety standards with great success until Carter took office and shut the doors on him.

    The public supported Nader. I was only 6 when Reagan was sworn into office, so I can not speak to the feelings of the nation of the time without posting links you may have trouble with.

    However, I am suggesting that the nation saw Carter as weak-willed under the influence of lobbyists and corporate interests. Then the nation was wooed by a former B movie star. A weak willed nilly willy had no chance.
    I like to give my country the benefit of the doubt by saying they would have had more faith if Carter would have continued to stand by and have faith in those who did him.
    Walking can be a real trip
    ***********************
    "We've laid the groundwork. It's like planting the seeds. And next year, it's spring." - Nader
    ***********************
    Prepare for tending to your garden, America.
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    I'm gonna ignore the rest of your excellent post for the sake of this one joke:



    Then Obama's your man! :D


    I'm not sure if you realize this or not, but some here won't know you're joking. ;)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Rhinocerous SurpriseRhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I'm not sure if you realize this or not, but some here won't know you're joking. ;)
    Explaining my system of sarcasm, nude depravity, and disclaimers for serious moments seemed to detract from the snappiness of the joke. :p
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • i am a targeti am a target Posts: 808
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    What do you base this opinion of pretension on?

    and negative impact?

    arrogance?

    not viable?

    does he not define self importance? no one in his position actually thinks they have ANY chance of EVER getting ANYONE to vote for them.

    negative impact? arrogance? not viable?

    well let's see. did he get the required percentage during his last "campaign" in order to have a third party represented in the next election (this was in 2000)? i think it was 6% of the national vote he needed.

    there's no way of telling if gore was would have been a better president then bush. but nader took votes and support from him.

    he's come on in the media throwing racial bullshit around at obama.

    not viable? hmm..let's look at the percentage of votes cast by americans in 2004 ( http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html ) ...a really strong showing for a man who is a viable third party candidate.

    he's done a lot of good. i can't take that away from him. but his ventures into presidential politics..laughable.

    ron paul and nader are a joke. you nor i will ever see any of their ideas in the mainstream during our lifetime. sad? yes. depressing? yes. true. very much so.
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