Matt Gonzalez-Barack Obama, The Establishment's Candidate

El_Kabong
El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
edited May 2008 in A Moving Train
hmmmmm, what say you obama supporters??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1w1Os8y5qk
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    i say give me a call when Nader comes up with a new platform, the whole "attack the democrats" platform is pretty old and stale


    and they still NEVER mention McCain :rolleyes:


    they are typical politicians, attack the most popular candidate to get attention for themselves
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    i say give me a call when Nader comes up with a new platform, the whole "attack the democrats" platform is pretty old and stale


    and they still NEVER mention McCain :rolleyes:


    they are typical politicians, attack the most popular candidate to get attention for themselves


    typical?

    who else is bring up Obama's conflicting and hypocritical voting record??

    Answer: No one not even Clinton because she wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

    You're right...we shouldn't talk about all the failures of the Democratic party, just keep on doling out that blind support no matter what. They count on it and you are more than eager to please them.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    typical?
    You're right...we shouldn't talk about all the failures of the Democratic party, just keep on doling out that blind support no matter what. They count on it and you are more than eager to please them.

    i didnt tell you blindly support anyone... i am just saying doesnt old boy Nader have any new tricks? will he ever criticize the republicans or is he just obsessed with the democrats?
  • hailhail82
    hailhail82 Posts: 330
    my2hands wrote:
    i didnt tell you blindly support anyone... i am just saying doesnt old boy Nader have any new tricks? will he ever criticize the republicans or is he just obsessed with the democrats?


    http://www.counterpunch.org/nader03222008.html

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKCVID_jpSI&watch_response

    http://www.millerpolitics.com/6/post/2008/04/nader-bush-the-most-impeachable-president.html

    http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Nader_George_Bush_recidivist_war_criminal_0317.html


    And I will add: Who else refers to Bush as a war criminal? Who else has pleaded Congress to follow the Constitution and bring impeachment proceedings against the president?
    Using the word "methinks" in your message board posts doesn't make you look smart.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    i didnt tell you blindly support anyone... i am just saying doesnt old boy Nader have any new tricks? will he ever criticize the republicans or is he just obsessed with the democrats?


    you are clueless when it comes to Nader. You prove it every time you bring him up. why not read up a bit before making claims that are false?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    i didnt tell you blindly support anyone... i am just saying doesnt old boy Nader have any new tricks? will he ever criticize the republicans or is he just obsessed with the democrats?


    I mean, fuck! Nader's the only candidate still pushing for impeachment to hold Bush/Cheney accountable for their crimes.

    The other guys are happy just as long as they're out of office...letting Bush and Cheney get away with all of their bullshit.

    Go buy a clue.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Go buy a clue.

    your the one that thinks a vote for nader is going to change the system and save the wolrd


    and i need to buy the clue?
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    you are clueless when it comes to Nader. You prove it every time you bring him up. why not read up a bit before making claims that are false?

    yeah, i am clueless about ralph nader


    you guys cant even acknowledge that he is an insider trading, wall street stock profolio owning, war stock investing, McDonalds supporting FUCKING FRAUD
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    yeah, i am clueless about ralph nader


    you guys cant even acknowledge that he is an insider trading, wall street stock profolio owning, war stock investing, McDonalds supporting FUCKING FRAUD


    That's all you have and you strecth it sooooooo far to act as if you've got something everytime. It really starts looking pathetically desperate after a while.

    You remember all those questions I pmed you and you kept saying you would get to....yeah, not too much to say, eh?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • hailhail82
    hailhail82 Posts: 330
    my2hands wrote:
    yeah, i am clueless about ralph nader


    you guys cant even acknowledge that he is an insider trading, wall street stock profolio owning, war stock investing, McDonalds supporting FUCKING FRAUD

    I probably missed some debate on this a while ago I'm sure but...

    Do you know what "insider trading" means? That's not Ralph Nader. The tax scandal you speak of has to do with Nader owning stock of companies he has rallied against. Insider trading is when you trade stocks of a company you are employed by (or own more than 10% of) using inside information.
    Using the word "methinks" in your message board posts doesn't make you look smart.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    your the one that thinks a vote for nader is going to change the system and save the wolrd


    and i need to buy the clue?


    You're the one thinking a vote for Obama is going to change something....lol.

    I'm voting for who best reflects my ideals. I don't expect anything out of that except my clear conscience and satisfaction that I did what I felt was right.

    I'm saying to buy a clue if you don't see how Nader has been blasting republicans for YEARS and continues to do so. The only difference is, he doesn't play favorites like you do and excuse the corruption of the democrats while hypocritically only focusing on the wrongs of the republicans. He's smart and honest enough to point out the wrongs and the facts about BOTH.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    hailhail82 wrote:
    I probably missed some debate on this a while ago I'm sure but...

    Do you know what "insider trading" means? That's not Ralph Nader. The tax scandal you speak of has to do with Nader owning stock of companies he has rallied against. Insider trading is when you trade stocks of a company you are employed by (or own more than 10% of) using inside information.

    or trading stocks based on inside information you have regarding action your organization is about to take against a company

    i know exactly what it is. maybe your the one that needs to read up on mr nader and the skeletons inhis closet


    abook, have they got back to you yet about your concerns? let me guess? no? :rolleyes:
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    or trading stocks based on inside information you have regarding action your organization is about to take against a company

    i know exactly what it is. maybe your the one that needs to read up on mr nader and the skeletons inhis closet


    abook, have they got back to you yet about your concerns? let me guess? no? :rolleyes:


    This stuff is **extremely** small beans compared to the issues and concerns I've brought up about Obama and you know this very well.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    i cannot wait to come on here in 8 months... and see no nader supprt at all, just like what happened with that idiot ron paul... a bunch of peopel on the net screaming that he is the best options and all that and that they were enlightened because they supported a candiate that didnt even believe in evolution... every thread was about ron paul... every post was about ron paul... and now, poof, all gone

    typical online "grassroots" support, what a joke
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    concerns I've brought up about Obama and you know this very well.

    1 energy bill

    2 war funding

    3 nuclear power


    anything else?
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    i cannot wait to come on here in 8 months... and see no nader supprt at all, just like that happned with that idiot ron paul... a bunch of epopel on the net screaming that he is the best options and all that... every thread was about ron paul... every post was about ron paul... and now, poof, all gone

    typical online "grassroots" support, what a joke


    Oh I'll be here.

    And now smaller movements are a joke??

    Jeez, you have changed. The best movements are the small ones that come from groups of people uniting and standing up for what they view as right despite the odds....not some mass marketed, corporate campaign.

    Millions of people fall for the campaigns of Bush, McCain, Hillary, Budweiser, Starbucks, Nike....so numbers ain't saying much, dear. I'm always gonna back what I believe in. The masses have a knack for letting me down anyways...remember 2003?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    my2hands wrote:
    1 energy bill

    2 war funding

    3 nuclear power


    anything else?




    How do you feel about his votes for the Patriot Act?
    How do you feel about his votes to fund the war and prolong it instead of urging withdrawl?
    How do you feel about his vote for the CAFA?
    How do you feel about HR 676 Single Payer National Insurance and Obama's non support of it?
    How do you feel about his lobbyists in the nuclear power industry and his continued support of it?
    How do you feel about his vote for the wall on the border and he new campaign stance of being against it?
    How do you feel about his vote against the credit card interest rate cap while his campaign has been so against predatory lending?
    How do you feel about him sponsering the National Medical Error Disclosure and Compensation Act of 2005?
    How do you feel about his opposition to The Hardrock Mining and Reclamation Act of 2007 while having a key advisor in Nevada that is a Nevada-based lobbyist in the employ of various mining companies?
    How do you feel about his weak energy policy in a time of crisis?
    How do you feel about his doublespeak on NAFTA brought up in this article?
    How do you feel about his leanings towards supporting Israel?

    http://beyondchron.org/news/index.php?itemid=5413#more

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5241844&postcount=56

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barack_Obama:_U.S._presidential_election%2C_2008

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-04-15-obamainside_N.htm

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/10/AR2008041004045.html?hpid=topnews&loc=interstitialskip

    http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/judicial-watch-obama-intended-to-leave-no-paper-trail-2008-03-26.html

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,0,1843097.story?,page=1

    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/what_you_didnt_know_about_obam/

    http://jischinger.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/obama%E2%80%99s-money-cartel/

    http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/hope-abandoned-obama-stands-up-for-murder-plunder-by-chris-floyd/

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=278250

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=280770
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • hailhail82
    hailhail82 Posts: 330
    my2hands wrote:
    i cannot wait to come on here in 8 months... and see no nader supprt at all, just like what happened with that idiot ron paul... a bunch of peopel on the net screaming that he is the best options and all that and that they were enlightened because they supported a candiate that didnt even believe in evolution... every thread was about ron paul... every post was about ron paul... and now, poof, all gone

    typical online "grassroots" support, what a joke

    I voted for Nader in 2000 when I was 18 and again in 2004. I was fortunate enough to see him speak in 2005 (yep, he was doing something after the previous election) and will continue to support him in his fight for democracy and consumer rights.
    Using the word "methinks" in your message board posts doesn't make you look smart.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    my2hands wrote:
    i say give me a call when Nader comes up with a new platform, the whole "attack the democrats" platform is pretty old and stale


    and they still NEVER mention McCain :rolleyes:


    they are typical politicians, attack the most popular candidate to get attention for themselves


    uh, they mention mccain and republicans, i even showed you where he mentions mccain on his issues page

    my2hands wrote:
    or trading stocks based on inside information you have regarding action your organization is about to take against a company

    i know exactly what it is. maybe your the one that needs to read up on mr nader and the skeletons inhis closet


    abook, have they got back to you yet about your concerns? let me guess? no? :rolleyes:


    insider trading....didn't your link say that was like 30-40 years ago????? and even that was a stretch

    and i like how you avoid answering your dodges there, good work ol boy!

    my2hands wrote:
    i cannot wait to come on here in 8 months... and see no nader supprt at all, just like what happened with that idiot ron paul... a bunch of peopel on the net screaming that he is the best options and all that and that they were enlightened because they supported a candiate that didnt even believe in evolution... every thread was about ron paul... every post was about ron paul... and now, poof, all gone

    typical online "grassroots" support, what a joke


    man, we really could've used an all-encompassing ron paul thread, eh!?


    i gave in to your stupid corporate 2 party system in 04 and voted against my beliefs for kerry instead of who i wanted to....you guys all said next time i could vote for who i wanted....that was the first time i voted democrat in a presidential election and unless it's for kucinich i doubt i will ever waste my vote on another corporate whore politician whatever party they are, obama included
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    How do you feel about his votes for the Patriot Act?
    How do you feel about his votes to fund the war and prolong it instead of urging withdrawl?
    How do you feel about his vote for the CAFA?
    How do you feel about HR 676 Single Payer National Insurance and Obama's non support of it?
    How do you feel about his lobbyists in the nuclear power industry and his continued support of it?
    How do you feel about his vote for the wall on the border and he new campaign stance of being against it?
    How do you feel about his vote against the credit card interest rate cap while his campaign has been so against predatory lending?
    How do you feel about him sponsering the National Medical Error Disclosure and Compensation Act of 2005?
    How do you feel about his opposition to The Hardrock Mining and Reclamation Act of 2007 while having a key advisor in Nevada that is a Nevada-based lobbyist in the employ of various mining companies?
    How do you feel about his weak energy policy in a time of crisis?
    How do you feel about his doublespeak on NAFTA brought up in this article?
    How do you feel about his leanings towards supporting Israel?

    http://beyondchron.org/news/index.php?itemid=5413#more

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=5241844&postcount=56

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barack_Obama:_U.S._presidential_election%2C_2008

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-04-15-obamainside_N.htm

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/10/AR2008041004045.html?hpid=topnews&loc=interstitialskip

    http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/judicial-watch-obama-intended-to-leave-no-paper-trail-2008-03-26.html

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,0,1843097.story?,page=1

    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/what_you_didnt_know_about_obam/

    http://jischinger.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/obama%E2%80%99s-money-cartel/

    http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/hope-abandoned-obama-stands-up-for-murder-plunder-by-chris-floyd/

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=278250

    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=280770


    don't forget his shifting stances on support from lobbyists!!

    they won't be in my white house!!!
    to
    they won't dominate my white house


    i don't take money from lobbyists!!!
    to
    i only take a couple hundred thousands from them


    i don't deal w/ lobbyists!!!
    to
    i don't deal w/ lobbyists on a federal level, only state ones

    or rezko and i only did a little bit of work on a legal case, i never knew him!!!
    to
    oh, yeah, and i forgot i bought a house next door to him, i bought land from him, he was on some of my campaign finance committees and held fundraisers for me at his house



    orrrrrrr how he's so against this war and how we were mislead into it
    to
    well, one of the main ppl responsible for misleading us deserves a raise to sec of state

    :rolleyes:

    let's not even get into all the things he didn't bother voting on like real id, fisa issues and several other issues, remember, last time i brought this up your only reply was trying to list what kucinich didn't vote for instead of addressing my point, too bad you didn't have this great all-encompassing thread idea back then, maybe you could've posted all your kucinich and nader shit in that instead of using it as your stock reply to things about obama
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way

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