Matt Gonzalez-Barack Obama, The Establishment's Candidate

Abookamongstthemany

my2hands wrote:

i am making progress!

progress as in I'm still not going to vote for Obama but have thought he was only slightly better than Hillary this whole time?

Although, I like Hillary's stance on healthcare and gay marriage better. In fact, I'd go as far as to say I like her platform better. I can't see any parts of Obama's proposals that stand out from hers.

However Hillary's record and history give Obama the slight edge over her and that's ONLY due to his very short political career. Still some things he has done in these fews years already point to what we can expect to see of him in the future. Also, he has had plenty of time to bring some of this 'change' he's so fond of invoking....I'm just not seeing too much he has done. Could you let me in on some proof of his greatness? Something that points to his rhetoric being backed by substantial actions and efforts? If he was genuine about wanting change, I would have expected to see some of it by now in the place of publicity tours and writing books to promote himself.

El_Kabong

my2hands wrote:

so now insider trading is eithical?

selling off stock for profit in advance of a known decrease in value because of your organizations work is called unethical


nader is a fraud dude.

you cannot rail against wall street and corporations, while being heavily invested in them at the same time. that is just being a flat out hypocrite and a fraud

Nader on T.V. interview running for president ~ "They are all owned and controlled by the evil corporate interests on Wall Street!!!"... "You country is owned and controlled by corporate interests on Wall Street!!!" (which he may very well be correct, however)

Nader talking to his broker 10 minutes later ~ "Hey, i want to out $50,000 more into my portfolio, i prefer a mutual that invests in war stocks and multi national corporations that i rail against"

:rolleyes:


or maybe we could talk about his multi million dollar home that "he" doesnt own, you know, the one he keeps in his sisters name


when you look at Nader with an honest look like i have, you will be very dispappointed, just like i was.

he invested and profitted on the exact thing he has railed against.

call it what you want. justify it how you want. the fact remains the same.

whatever, can you name something obama has done? wouldn't it be a conflict of interest for him to go after a company he had stock in?

do you know what's in your mutual fund? how do you even find out b/c i'd really like to know

when i look at obama i am even more disappointed, to quote edwards, 'it'd be nice to see some substance behind the rhetoric'


it's all take, take, take...you've yet to show anything to back up your side, at least i'm offering something other than 'b/c i said so!!!!'

El_Kabong

Danny Boy wrote:

What do you have on Obama other than the Rezko land deal and Jermeiah Wright??? *yawn*

there's the lies he's told about lobbyists, for a few....

he said he doesn't take money from lobbyists, he's taken $100's of thousands from lobbyists

the chair of his new hampshire campaign was a lobbyist for the pharmaceutical industry and when it was brought up on national tv during the debate obama L I E D by shaking his head side to side and saying 'that's not true!' when it was true

when hillary seemed pro lobbyist obama had all this rhetoric about 'lobbyists won't have a job in my white house!!!' and later when pressed on it he said what he meant was they won't dominate his white house

he's lied about having anything to do w/ certain bills other than to stand at the front and talk during press time

he repeatedly votes to reauthorize the patriot act

he voted to confirm condi rice, yet she helped mislead us into a 'stupid war'??

see my sig; he says his foreign policy will be like daddy bush's and reagans....secret, illegal wars, selling thousands of missiles to iran, funding, arming, training terrorists, lying to congress, shredding documents, falsifying records....

will put more money into the already bloated defense budget

will NOT bring all the troops home and most of the ones that leave iraq will only be deployed in afghanistan or elsewhere

his health care plan is shit

he's is for nuclear power and 'clean' coal but only wants a small % to be using alternative energy by 2025

missed a little over 40% of the votes in this current senate

didn't really support any progressive democrats during the 06 elections while he traveled to connecticut to speak for lieberman

....is that enough for now?

El_Kabong

my2hands wrote:

so now insider trading is eithical?

selling off stock for profit in advance of a known decrease in value because of your organizations work is called unethical


nader is a fraud dude.

you cannot rail against wall street and corporations, while being heavily invested in them at the same time. that is just being a flat out hypocrite and a fraud

Nader on T.V. interview running for president ~ "They are all owned and controlled by the evil corporate interests on Wall Street!!!"... "You country is owned and controlled by corporate interests on Wall Street!!!" (which he may very well be correct, however)

Nader talking to his broker 10 minutes later ~ "Hey, i want to out $50,000 more into my portfolio, i prefer a mutual that invests in war stocks and multi national corporations that i rail against"

:rolleyes:


or maybe we could talk about his multi million dollar home that "he" doesnt own, you know, the one he keeps in his sisters name


when you look at Nader with an honest look like i have, you will be very dispappointed, just like i was.

he invested and profitted on the exact thing he has railed against.

call it what you want. justify it how you want. the fact remains the same.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9502E3DC1531F93AA25755C0A9669C8B63

The Sun reported on Saturday that Mr. Nader had earned more than $512,000 over the last 16 months, mostly in speaking fees. The newspaper also said Mr. Nader's personal holdings were valued at more than $3.9 million, including a stock portfolio heavy on technology holdings.

Mr. Nader has nearly $1.2 million in stock in Cisco Systems, the Internet networking company. He also owns smaller amounts of five other technology-related stocks and has more than $2 million in two money market funds, The Washington Post reported. He listed no debt.

Mr. Nader, a 66-year-old lifelong bachelor, rents an apartment in Washington, and does not own a car or real estate.

He said that he did not take a salary from any of the advocacy groups he had founded, and that he lived on $25,000 a year.

Mr. Nader made no apologies for his own net worth, saying he could have been even richer had he not been funneling 80 percent of his earnings back into civic projects.

''I'd like to set an example that people who have means should use those means to better society,'' he told The Post.