Toward Integral Consciousness

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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Also visionaries and those who believe in their vision for instance, from all periods in time throughout history, have been met with resistance, ridicule and the likes until it catches on or dies out....often they don't even see the fruits of their effort. Being ahead of the times and spreading your ideas will include subjecting yourself to this kind of public reaction and uphill battle. I view it as a sacrifice.

    you mean like jesus? :)
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    catefrances wrote:
    you mean like jesus? :)

    They sure did give him a rough time. :)

    But anyone who fits the description.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    They sure did give him a rough time. :)

    But anyone who fits the description.

    well i just cant think of anyone else who paid such a high price AND had such a big influence on world history.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    well i just cant think of anyone else who paid such a high price AND had such a big influence on world history.

    The 9/11 Hijackers sacrificed themselves for a dream.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    catefrances wrote:
    well i just cant think of anyone else who paid such a high price AND had such a big influence on world history.

    Me either. Wish people would remember his message more often.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    The 9/11 Hijackers sacrificed themselves for a dream.

    yes, but they were misguided fools who took innocent lives with them.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Ahnimus wrote:
    The 9/11 Hijackers sacrificed themselves for a dream.

    that's debatable. :)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    yes, but they were misguided fools who took innocent lives with them.

    I could argue that the fact that the masses believe in a lie called free-will costs millions upon billions of lives. I think I've already outlined why that is. This dream was perpetuated by none other than Christ herself.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=qtEVG1f3sLw
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I could argue that the fact that the masses believe in a lie called free-will costs millions upon billions of lives. I think I've already outlined why that is. This dream was perpetuated by none other than Christ herself.

    i'm sorry but that's pure conjecture and hearsay. i never heard jesus say anything. all i've got is a book full of stories and some peeps saying/playing jesus said.

    as for free will, i believe i have that power to make my own future. though naturally that future is based on actions and words from my past and present from which i can never be free.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    catefrances wrote:
    i'm sorry but that's pure conjecture and hearsay. i never heard jesus say anything. all i've got is a book full of stories and some peeps saying/playing jesus said.

    as for free will, i believe i have that power to make my own future. though naturally that future is based on actions and words from my past and present from which i can never be free.

    The doctrine of Christianity fails without free-will. Would God be so loving and compassionate as to configure you for denial of the holy spirit, so that you may suffer in hell for eternity? Doesn't sound like the God Christ spoke of.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    Ahnimus wrote:
    The doctrine of Christianity fails without free-will. Would God be so loving and compassionate as to configure you for denial of the holy spirit, so that you may suffer in hell for eternity? Doesn't sound like the God Christ spoke of.

    again i say human contamination, unless you heard the words personally from the big man himself.

    for me the doctrine of christianity fails because its premise is ludicrous.
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