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Toward Integral Consciousness

AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
edited July 2007 in A Moving Train
This is the page I'm currently on. I feel for us to heal and move forward as the human race together we must unite and embrace one another instead of dividing ourselves with ego, boundries and fear.
Highlights from Düsseldorf 2006 international scientists conference "Wisdom and Science in Dialogue: The New Planetary Consciousness

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GFyJYNqQtIc
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  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    and I'm all for it and John Lennon was my hero, after all, but.....

    we is what we is, and we are where we are.

    Finding middle ground here on earth is easier than pointing to the stars and telling people here on earth that we can live as the stars do.
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  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Bu2 wrote:
    and I'm all for it and John Lennon was my hero, after all, but.....

    we is what we is, and we are where we are.

    Finding middle ground here on earth is easier than pointing to the stars and telling people here on earth that we can live as the stars do.

    Live as the stars?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    Live in peace.

    Better?
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  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Bu2 wrote:
    Live in peace.

    Better?


    Oh, so you don't believe peace is possible here on Earth? I'll just have to respectfully disagree with that. :)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    peace on earth, goodwill to man on a daily basis?
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  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Bu2 wrote:
    peace on earth, goodwill to man on a daily basis?

    What I have seen is irrelevant. It's what I think is possible that I'm focusing on.

    After all, at one time, space travel wasn't possible.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    But we still managed to fight wars, even then.
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  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Bu2 wrote:
    But we still managed to fight wars, even then.

    Yep, but we keep advancing everyday. It's what so many us strive towards...a better way to live together.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Oh, so you don't believe peace is possible here on Earth? I'll just have to respectfully disagree with that. :)


    i know i don't believe peace on earth is possible, no matter how much i wish for it to be so. mankind's collective history shows us that it is not.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Yep, but we keep advancing everyday. It's what so many us strive towards...a better way to live together.

    we advance technogically. that does not equate to a higher consciousness in attaining peace or even showing that it is something that we want. let alone are willing to embrace.
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  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    catefrances wrote:
    i know i don't believe peace on earth is possible, no matter how much i wish for it to be so. mankind's collective history shows us that it is not.


    But history doesn't shut out future possibilites. If you guys are cynical that's cool. We all have our own views. I just wanted to share, thought some might identify with it. If nothing else, it's a thought you can take with you and keep an open mind to. :)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    catefrances wrote:
    we advance technogically. that does not equate to a higher consciousness in attaining peace or even showing that it is something that we want. let alone are willing to embrace.

    We also advance socially.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    But history doesn't shut out future possibilites. If you guys are cynical that's cool. We all have our own views. I just wanted to share, thought some might identify with it. If nothing else, it's a thought you can take with you and keep an open mind to. :)

    me? cynical. ;):)
    to live in peace without fear of retribution or prejudice would be great, but mankind's track record is not a good one. there has never been a time when we were not at war in some way or another with someone we thought ourselves superior to. i see mankind as a creature of habit and because of this, i don't see peace as high on my human possibilities list.
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  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    catefrances wrote:
    me? cynical. ;):)
    to live in peace without fear of retribution or prejudice would be great, but mankind's track record is not a good one. there has never been a time when we were not at war in some way or another with someone we thought ourselves superior to. i see mankind as a creature of habit and because of this, i don't see peace as high on my human possibilities list.


    See, at one time woman were treated less than men. At one time, people of color were treated less than whites. I believe in a time where it will be generally accepted that we are all equal...where we truly begin to understand and practice the idea that none of us are superior to another. I like that thought. :)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    We also advance socially.

    i am not a fan of society abook. and i wonder how much you truly believe that. if we have to implement laws in order to coerce people to treat others as equals, is that really an advancement? sure, for the majority of us death by stoning because of an extra marital affair is not something we need be concerned about, but for others it is a real concern. though naturally of course only for the women involved. somehow males are not responsible nor held accountable to adulterous charges.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    See, at one time woman were treated less than men. At one time, people of color were treated less than whites. I believe in a time where it will be generally accepted that we are all equal...where we truly begin to understand and practice the idea that none of us are superior to another. I like that thought. :)

    women are still treated as subservient to men. and non-whites are still treated as being less than whites. just as minorities in non eurocentric societies are treated as somehow less than the majority. and let's not even get started on class in supposedly classless societies.
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  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    catefrances wrote:
    i am not a fan of society abook. and i wonder how much you truly believe that. if we have to implement laws in order to coerce people to treat others as equals, is that really an advancement? sure, for the majority of us death by stoning because of an extra marital affair is not something we need be concerned about, but for others it is a real concern. though naturally of course only for the women involved. somehow males are not responsible nor held accountable to adulterous charges.

    It's apparent in how we interact with one another now as opposed to the past, that shows we have evolved...especailly on a local level. In the near future with advancements in technology we will start becoming more aware of the world around us....communication barriers are crumbling. I believe that with this new age of information we will in deed see a large advancement in human interaction. I'm very hopeful.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    catefrances wrote:
    women are still treated as subservient to men. and non-whites are still treated as being less than whites. just as minorities in non eurocentric societies are treated as somehow less than the majority. and let's not even get started on class in supposedly classless societies.

    Yes, I know....the point is, we are improving. I'm talking in terms of general society. Things that were generally considered by the public to be 'acceptable' are now no longer the case.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    World Federation, and talk to one another by tapping a little pin on our chest, and have nothing to fear but some turtle-head aliens who like to eat worms and finish every sentence (a/k/a grunt) with the letter K, then I will be happy with our planet.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    It's apparent in how we interact with one another now as opposed to the past, that shows we have evolved...especailly on a local level. In the near future with advancements in technology we will start becoming more aware of the world around us....communication barriers are crumbling. I believe that with this new age of information we will in deed see a large advancement in human interaction. I'm very hopeful.

    it's not apparent to me. i listen to what people around me say and i weep for their small minds. i don't see technology as being any more beneficial to us than it has already become. i certainly don't see it as an indicator of any advancement on the part on human understanding and tolerance. they say the world is becoming a global village and yet we still treat our neighbours appallingly.
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  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    can sit around a table one night and do nothing but smile and laugh and love one another, I will see what you mean, Abook.
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  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    catefrances wrote:
    it's not apparent to me. i listen to what people around me say and i weep for their small minds. i don't see technology as being any more beneficial to us than it has already become. i certainly don't see it as an indicator of any advancement on the part on human understanding and tolerance. they say the world is becoming a global village and yet we still treat our neighbours appallingly.

    We don't still interact the same way we did back in the stone age. Most of us evolve on...some faster than others. But as an idea spreads in follows the future generations. At first, some were open to the idea that say, slavery is wrong. It starts just as an idea. Then more and more come to realize that this is correct. There will always be ones out there that still resort to these crimes but it's quite a leap from where it was accepted by large.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Bu2 wrote:
    can sit around a table one night and do nothing but smile and laugh and love one another, I will see what you mean, Abook.


    You think we wouldn't now? I thought the idea seemed pretty cool. :)
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Bu2 wrote:
    can sit around a table one night and do nothing but smile and laugh and love one another, I will see what you mean, Abook.

    no Bu. we don't have to smile, laugh and love one another. we have to respect one anothers' differences.
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  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    and get along, whilst discussing politics, religion and life without arguing.

    Heck, I would love it if I could sit down and talk and get along with my own family whilst discussing politics, religion and life without arguing.

    And maybe it could happen, one night. But then, the next day, someone's gonna ask Cate what she thought of me, and someone's gonna ask me what I thought of Cate, and someone else is gonna ask you what you thought of both of us, and somewhere down the line someone's gonna say: "Trouble in Paradise" and sell the story to Star Magazine for $1 mil and all three of us will be misquoted and there'll be a picture of us looking drunk and silly.

    I'm an advocate of peace and peoples' right to happiness but I also live in reality. Cynical? Yes. Sad? Yes. Realistic? Yes. Do I still want to sit down with you and Cate over dinner? Yes.

    While we work toward understanding each other, let's pray the rest of the world keeps up.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Bu2 wrote:
    and get along, whilst discussing politics, religion and life without arguing.

    Heck, I would love it if I could sit down and talk and get along with my own family whilst discussing politics, religion and life without arguing.

    And maybe it could happen, one night. But then, the next day, someone's gonna ask Cate what she thought of me, and someone's gonna ask me what I thought of Cate, and someone else is gonna ask you what you thought of both of us, and somewhere down the line someone's gonna say: "Trouble in Paradise" and sell the story to Star Magazine for $1 mil and all three of us will be misquoted and there'll be a picture of us looking drunk and silly.

    I'm an advocate of peace and peoples' right to happiness but I also live in reality. Cynical? Yes. Sad? Yes. Realistic? Yes. Do I still want to sit down with you and Cate over dinner? Yes.

    While we work toward understanding each other, let's pray the rest of the world keeps up.

    so...you like lebanese food? :)
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  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    I'm in.

    I'll eat just about anything with some spice to it.
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  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    When I say I'm an optimist and don't care for apathy...I'm not fudging. :p

    Love this quote:

    'Every daring attempt to make a great change in existing conditions, every lofty vision of new possibilities for the human race, has been labeled Utopian.' ~ Emma Goldman
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Bu2Bu2 Posts: 1,693
    with my dad one night: He who has imagination with no learning, has wings but no feet.
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  • AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Bu2 wrote:
    with my dad one night: He who has imagination with no learning, has wings but no feet.

    Are you saying I have no learning, Bu?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
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