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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Binaural wrote:
    Then how is Gods love the highest form of love when for centuries the deal was "Slip up once and you're eternally fucked?"
    ask a jew... i don't know.
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  • Binaural
    Binaural Posts: 1,046
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    ask a jew... i don't know.
    No really. How is that love in any sense of the word?
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    i know... but you did say your love was greater than His.

    fairy-tale, story, myth... whatever.

    God does not exist in my children's lives. i do. God does not exist in my life. there really is no comparison to be made.


    interestingly enough this evening coming home from an outing, my 7 year old did bring up God. there was a lightning flash in the sky and she started to say something about God's involvement in that. i asked her where this God lived. she told me he lived in the clouds. i asked what does he do up there. zoe said he watches us. i asked, does he watch all of us. she said no he watches christians. i said what about the rest of us, she said he watches us too. i asked her what else does he do. she told me she didn't know. she told me she wasn't a christian.
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  • deadnothingbetter
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    Binaural wrote:
    No really. How is that love in any sense of the word?
    well it is 6:20am and i was gonna go to sleep that's why i gave a short answer. but i'll elaborate.

    firstly, the israelites had complete access to salvation but they later started having a rocky relationship with God. they started blaming God for their mishaps. for instance, when they were delivered from Egypt to the land of "Milk and honey" they began to complain to God for the bread that was falling from the sky. and started saying that they were better off with the Egyptians as slaves rather than being in the desert for 40 years... when it was their fault all along why they'd been wandering in the desert becuase of their unbelief in God. God had greater plans for them but they chose not to follow them. than they asked for a governor, or a king. When all that time God wanted to have a personal relationship with them but they refused it. so you get the picture... ultimately they requested that moses should be their mediator, or the messenger, between them and God. so they lied to Moses and told him, "tell God that we will serve him and follow him and that he will be our God." MOses goes to mt sinai and tells God what the israelites had said. God said, "fine. I will take their word for it Moses. oh, by the way Moses here are these two tablets. on them are written 10 commandments. have them try and follow these sets of rules if they truly believe in me." Moses takes the tablets and as he heads down he finds that the Israelites were worshipping another God, the god's name was Baal. Moses was infuriated so he broke the stones on them. but God knew what their intentions were and so God gave them the 10 commandments again so they could see what life was without God. So that's how they lived, life in the law, and not in the salvations and promises that God wanted for them to live in. So the law was cruel and very dictating and very harsh. so harsh that if anybody were to disobey it they'd be immensely punished by it. it wasn't God who meant for it to be that way, it was their own laws and rules that they established for themselves by their minds and unbeliefs.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    catefrances wrote:
    God does not exist in my children's lives. i do. God does not exist in my life.
    I know that very well,ma'am, or mister. I know that very well.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    I know that very well,ma'am, or mister. I know that very well.


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  • Binaural
    Binaural Posts: 1,046
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    well it is 6:20am and i was gonna go to sleep that's why i gave a short answer. but i'll elaborate.

    firstly, the israelites had complete access to salvation but they later started having a rocky relationship with God. they started blaming God for their mishaps. for instance, when they were delivered from Egypt to the land of "Milk and honey" they began to complain to God for the bread that was falling from the sky. and started saying that they were better off with the Egyptians as slaves rather than being in the desert for 40 years... when it was their fault all along why they'd been wandering in the desert becuase of their unbelief in God. God had greater plans for them but they chose not to follow them. than they asked for a governor, or a king. When all that time God wanted to have a personal relationship with them but they refused it. so you get the picture... ultimately they requested that moses should be their mediator, or the messenger, between them and God. so they lied to Moses and told him, "tell God that we will serve him and follow him and that he will be our God." MOses goes to mt sinai and tells God what the israelites had said. God said, "fine. I will take their word for it Moses. oh, by the way Moses here are these two tablets. on them are written 10 commandments. have them try and follow these sets of rules if they truly believe in me." Moses takes the tablets and as he heads down he finds that the Israelites were worshipping another God, the god's name was Baal. Moses was infuriated so he broke the stones on them. but God knew what their intentions were and so God gave them the 10 commandments again so they could see what life was without God. So that's how they lived, life in the law, and not in the salvations and promises that God wanted for them to live in. So the law was cruel and very dictating and very harsh. so harsh that if anybody were to disobey it they'd be immensely punished by it. it wasn't God who meant for it to be that way, it was their own laws and rules that they established for themselves by their minds and unbeliefs.
    As you said you were going to sleep Ill understand if you don't reply to this right now.
    But come on, what of the REST OF THE WORLD?! Either the Bible is a fictional tale and the author/s didn't know of all the other communities around the world and so left them out or else god is an asshole that let let the actions of a few Isrealites fuck the planets chance of forgiveness for a few thousand years. Not seeing much love in those actions.
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  • catefrances
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    may i suggest we all get together and watch the movie, the reaping?
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  • Binaural
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    catefrances wrote:
    may i suggest we all get together and watch the movie, the reaping?
    I think Im out of the loop here, I know it's a movie but I have no idea what it is about :D
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  • catefrances
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    Binaural wrote:
    I think Im out of the loop here, I know it's a movie but I have no idea what it is about :D

    it's about a former missionary who having lost her faith now investigates apparent biblical phenomena. a town is under seige from biblical plagues and the ex-missionary is on the case.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    ahh... the greatest cliche of humanity... to be bigger than God.

    in regards to your post. now i can figure by now that you don't believe in the Bible so let me give my disclaimer. i'm not gonna try to impose this on you as truth. so take this as a fairy-tale, if you will. this imaginary God that the Bible speaks of is too powerful and too potent to even crawl out of his spiritual domain and cross into the physical realm. if He would've, the entire world would've been consumed completely. just think of the gases in space and the energies that would consume us. God is much more potent than those things. so in this fairy-tale storybook we call the Bible God had to figure a way to redeem humanity because he loved it dearly. now what he did send was His word... this word was the very same thing that created the universe and made light out of darkness. This word was the very same word that became a human form to redeem humanity. God knew exactly what he was going to do and he knew that His son would overcome life for us becuase we had failed so many, many, many times. and even to this point we still fail. So His son Christ came and accomplished a pure life for us so and in resurrecting we would not be held bondage to death anymore. Yes, if this is love... this is the greatest love ever. too bad it's just a fairytale.

    holy goofy hocus pocus... you sound like a 6 year old. "MY god is SOOOOOO huge if he came to earth he'd just blow the whole thing up cos he's so big! yeah-huh! ask my mom, she said it's true!"

    hippiemom made an excellent point, if god is so loving, then why does he condition his forgiveness, love, and entry into heaven upon you bowing down to worship and swear fealty? no parent i know would do that. no parent i know would demand that a child kneel at their doorstep, beg forgiveness, and say they were wrong when they left before allowing them back into the house. not one.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    i'm not quite sure what you're talking about but i'll take a stab at it... i think you're referring to the law. right? the days of moses? the days of sulfur and acid? of fire and brim? that all had to do with the law. a law which was given to the israelites because they didn't want to deal with God on a personal level so they chose the hardway. it has nothing to do with us.

    isn't that the part that tells us homosexuality is wrong? so why is it still condemned and persecuted if it has nothing to do with us?
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    soulsinging wrote:
    holy goofy hocus pocus... you sound like a 6 year old. "MY god is SOOOOOO huge if he came to earth he'd just blow the whole thing up cos he's so big! yeah-huh! ask my mom, she said it's true!"

    hippiemom made an excellent point, if god is so loving, then why does he condition his forgiveness, love, and entry into heaven upon you bowing down to worship and swear fealty? no parent i know would do that. no parent i know would demand that a child kneel at their doorstep, beg forgiveness, and say they were wrong when they left before allowing them back into the house. not one.
    ok, soulsinging, i think i've made my point to you before. God doesn't condition his forgiveness and love. the problem is our unbelief. it's so easy to understand it. it's as if i said if you turn the corner here there you can find a place where you can get your flat tire fixed. but because you say, "ha, he's a nutcase, there's no place around here like that." so your tire never gets fixed because you never turned the corner.

    it's a strange phenomenon but you'll probably never get it, and you'll keep fighting against it. no matter how i put it.
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  • deadnothingbetter
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    soulsinging wrote:
    isn't that the part that tells us homosexuality is wrong? so why is it still condemned and persecuted if it has nothing to do with us?
    what is condemned and persecuted? homosexuality? it's not persecuted... i'm confused please explain.
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  • Binaural
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    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    ok, soulsinging, i think i've made my point to you before. God doesn't condition his forgiveness and love. the problem is our unbelief. it's so easy to understand it. it's as if i said if you turn the corner here there you can find a place where you can get your flat tire fixed. but because you say, "ha, he's a nutcase, there's no place around here like that." so your tire never gets fixed because you never turned the corner.

    it's a strange phenomenon but you'll probably never get it, and you'll keep fighting against it. no matter how i put it.
    Worship is a condition. To argue otherwise is retarted. God will love you ON THE CONITION THAT you worship him.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Binaural wrote:
    As you said you were going to sleep Ill understand if you don't reply to this right now.
    But come on, what of the REST OF THE WORLD?! Either the Bible is a fictional tale and the author/s didn't know of all the other communities around the world and so left them out or else god is an asshole that let let the actions of a few Isrealites fuck the planets chance of forgiveness for a few thousand years. Not seeing much love in those actions.
    yes i know what you mean. it's a question i asked myself too. but it's important to understand this mythical book if you want to understand this part.

    this book says that we placed ourselves out of the reach of God. it wasn't God's choice, it was ours. the rest of the world didn't believe in God. they had separated themselves from the knowledge of God... so God didn't resist or dictate their choices. he allowed them to do as they pleased, unfortunately the things that pleased us were bad things like religion, wars, politics and things of that sort. so God tried to find a way to redeem us, so he started with Abraham... and on and on.

    it's not that they were condemned because of their unbelief. see, we came from God. he is our source of life, according to the mythical book of course. without our source of life we perish.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Binaural wrote:
    Worship is a condition. To argue otherwise is retarted. God will love you ON THE CONITION THAT you worship him.
    no that's not true. God will love you unconditionally.
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  • Binaural
    Binaural Posts: 1,046
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    no that's not true. God will love you unconditionally.
    Fuck. Right so you are telling me, in contradiction to, ALL CHRISTIAN TEACHING, that god will love me if I don't worship him? That Ill get into heaven etc?
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Binaural wrote:
    Fuck. Right so you are telling me, in contradiction to, ALL CHRISTIAN TEACHING, that god will love me if I don't worship him? That Ill get into heaven etc?
    well, if that's what most christians teach then let me speak to those who told you this. i will make them stop teaching that. i guarantee it.

    God will always love you. he loves the entire world. it is His creation. He'll always love us regardless. but then again he doesn't exist.
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  • Binaural
    Binaural Posts: 1,046
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    well, if that's what most christians teach then let me speak to those who told you this. i will make them stop teaching that. i guarantee it.

    God will always love you. he loves the entire world. it is His creation. He'll always love us regardless. but then again he doesn't exist.
    "He doesn't exist", don't evade the question. Jesus said that entry into Heaven was dependant on worhsip of God through him. No room for argument. CONDITIONAL LOVE.
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