Mall Security Beating Shoplifter (video)

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  • sapperskunk
    sapperskunk Posts: 684
    aNiMaL wrote:
    Dude, if there is anything that I hate more than pig headed, control freak, big bad billy tough guy police officers who fly way over board when their adrenaline gets flowing....is mall security rent-a-fucking-cops who also suffer from the same affliction that the aforementioned police officers suffer from.

    It was good to hear some guy questioning the security guards decisions and actions. I would have as well.

    Watch the video again, theres nothing there that identifies those guys as security or cops.
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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    sapperskunk wrote:
    Watch the video again, theres nothing there that identifies those guys as security or cops.


    That'd be even worse. What kind of moron thinks that other people's corporate property is worth fighting over?
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,296
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    That'd be even worse. What kind of moron thinks that other people's corporate property is worth fighting over?

    Or worse yet, what kind of moron cares if a shoplifter gets slapped in the face and tackled?
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Or worse yet, what kind of moron cares if a shoplifter gets slapped in the face and tackled?


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_recovery

    Welcome to civilisation.
  • ShE.dREAmS.in.CoLOr
    ShE.dREAmS.in.CoLOr Posts: 341
    know1 wrote:
    Maybe if we did allow security to beat people, there might not be as many shoplifters.
    hahaha. interesting theory.... ;)
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,296
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_recovery

    Welcome to civilisation.

    Right hippy, because tackling someone and subduing them after they committed a crime is uncivilized. That's what you fucking do to catch criminals.

    What is this "court" you speak of? I am not aware of what you speak.
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Right hippy, because tackling someone and subduing them after they committed a crime is uncivilized. That's what you fucking do to catch criminals.

    What is this "court" you speak of? I am not aware of what you speak.

    The court system of the United Kingdom. You'll find that, for all its faults, it's far superior to your average US, kangaroo court. Nothing to do with hippies, or Judge Judy, for that matter.

    http://www.retailresearch.org/crime_and_fraud/retailers_compensation.php
  • sonicreducer
    sonicreducer Posts: 713
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    The court system of the United Kingdom. You'll find that, for all its faults, it's far superior to your average US, kangaroo court. Nothing to do with hippies, or Judge Judy, for that matter.

    http://www.retailresearch.org/crime_and_fraud/retailers_compensation.php


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  • dirtyfrankdahmer
    dirtyfrankdahmer Posts: 136
    rediculous. the security guards did absolutely nothing wrong. the guy was resisting arrest. all the theif has to do is say ok, ok i give up. if the guards continue to to use the force they were using on him, then that is a different story, but overall, the theif was resisting arrest and the guards did nothing wrong.
  • Commy
    Commy Posts: 4,984
    reminds me of a friend of mine...well, not really a friend, but this guy i work with.

    He lived in Vegas, had a heroine habit. he got caught trying steal some things, and what the security guards did to him was more on the lines of Rodney King than what the guy in the video had to deal with. They separated his shoulder, broke his collarbone, beat him down, with clubs, for ten minutes or so.

    this was 2 years ago and he just got out of the hospital for reconstructive surgury on his shoulder, which he had to pay for. He's pressing charges but there's a good chance the security guards will get away with it...
  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    dirtyfrankdahmer wrote:
    rediculous. the security guards did absolutely nothing wrong. the guy was resisting arrest. all the theif has to do is say ok, ok i give up. if the guards continue to to use the force they were using on him, then that is a different story, but overall, the theif was resisting arrest and the guards did nothing wrong.


    Resisting arrest? What kind of arrest? Citizen arrest?
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,296
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Resisting arrest? What kind of arrest? Citizen arrest?

    Does it matter to you?
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,296
    Commy wrote:
    reminds me of a friend of mine...well, not really a friend, but this guy i work with.

    He lived in Vegas, had a heroine habit. he got caught trying steal some things, and what the security guards did to him was more on the lines of Rodney King than what the guy in the video had to deal with. They separated his shoulder, broke his collarbone, beat him down, with clubs, for ten minutes or so.

    this was 2 years ago and he just got out of the hospital for reconstructive surgury on his shoulder, which he had to pay for. He's pressing charges but there's a good chance the security guards will get away with it...

    That's so unfair. Who knew being a heroine addict/thief could get you into a situation like this. He had to pay for his own surgery? Wow, just unlucky I guess.

    Sorry, life is about choices. Choices get you into and out of situations. I'm just tired of the criminal being the victim.
  • sapperskunk
    sapperskunk Posts: 684
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Does it matter to you?

    ouch.
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  • FinsburyParkCarrots
    FinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Does it matter to you?

    Is that meant to be a response?

    Seriously? You're saying that the rights of citizens, not found to be guilty in a court of law; not given due process of police arrest; not on the other end of charges; a first hearing; a trial; and then, finally a conviction, shouldn't be the concern of anyone "not involved" in the evident overstepping of "reasonable force", by security guards or, at worst, zealous vigilantes?
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,296
    FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:
    Is that meant to be a response?

    Seriously? You're saying that the rights of citizens, not found to be guilty in a court of law; not given due process of police arrest; not on the other end of charges; a first hearing; a trial; and then, finally a conviction, shouldn't be the concern of anyone "not involved" in the evident overstepping of "reasonable force", by security guards or, at worst, zealous vigilantes?

    No, I was asking whether or not it mattered if the guys were police officers, plain-clothed security guards, or if the were only citizens.

    Nobody overstepped "reasonable force" here. Actual police officers probably would have used their nightsticks and beat up the guy even more (which is okay) if he kept fighting back.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    No, I was asking whether or not it mattered if the guys were police officers, plain-clothed security guards, or if the were only citizens.

    Nobody overstepped "reasonable force" here. Actual police officers probably would have used their nightsticks and beat up the guy even more (which is okay).

    which is against the law.

    i doubt an officer would get away w/ standing on a guys ankles and legs and grinding their feet ontop of them.
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,296
    El_Kabong wrote:
    which is against the law.

    i doubt an officer would get away w/ standing on a guys ankles and legs and grinding their feet ontop of them.

    Subduing a criminal by a policeman is against what law?

    Do you think the guy in this video was seriously hurt? If he was, he wouldn't have been putting up a fight.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    Subduing a criminal by a policeman is against what law?


    they were NOT policemen, for one thing. and subduing the person is one thing, using unreasonable force is another, and yes, is against the law

    from the fbi's own site

    http://www.fbi.gov/publications/leb/1997/oct975.htm

    "The level of force officers are allowed to use when making arrests depends on the nature of the threat."

    i don't think stealing 26oz of malt beer constitutes a total of 3 ppl holding a guy down after 1 punches him in the face and another basically stomps on his ankles and legs
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • world
    world Posts: 266
    They were NOT policemen.
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