We are glad because unlike you, we believe that those who break laws should be punished. If this would have happened 50 years ago, the guy would have gotten his ass kicked (deservedly so). Our greatest generation. Old school. I love it. We turned into a bunch of pussies.
I bet you hate trial lawyers, but for some reason you take the criminal's side everytime. The guy was stealing alcohol, has no respect, and either should have gotten a bat to the head from the cashier or gotten an ass kicking from security. He got neither, which is the injustice here.
Yes those who break the law should be punished but not by "Security". There is a reason we have the rule of law bootlegger10 or do you think we should have a free-for-all?
I dont "always take the criminals side", I just believe that there is a thing call the criminal justice system and we should use it, not take the law into our own hands. I think what yuou siad that the guy should ahve got a bat to the head is really disturbing. To wish ahrm on anyone no matter what is quite horrible.
My brothers friend was allegedly shoplifting and he was choked out and he actually died as a result. From Knowing him I think he probably was shoplifting, but Jesus what a price to pay. Nothing was done. They got away with murder.
We are glad because unlike you, we believe that those who break laws should be punished.
Nobody says he shouldn't be punished. Nobdoy.
If this would have happened 50 years ago, the guy would have gotten his ass kicked (deservedly so). Our greatest generation. Old school. I love it. We turned into a bunch of pussies.
Well, if it happened fifty years ago good thing he isn't black.
My brothers friend was allegedly shoplifting and he was choked out and he actually died as a result. From Knowing him I think he probably was shoplifting, but Jesus what a price to pay. Nothing was done. They got away with murder.
people throw around terms like "murder" without knowing what it means. do not shoplift. if you do, you are going to get fucked up, rightfully so. i do not feel sorry for these people. i do not feel sorry for people that whine about being beaten up by security when they faily to do what security is telling them to do. if you struggle, or try to explain, you are going to get punched and restrained until you stop struggling and trying to explain. all of the people that disagree with the video that started this thread will never understand what it's like to be a law enforcement officer or a security guard.
A junior deputy rent-a-cop power trip mall security guard is a little different from a trained professional law enforcement officer. And even policemen act retarded from time to time. Some guy in New York just got shot up a day before his wedding thanks to our men in blue. Policemen are not perfect, and when they fuck up they should be held accountable just like the average citizen does. If we dont get a pass when we mess up, policemen shouldnt get one.
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This guy might of had a lapse in judgement and did something stupid but you have a huge lapse in judgement when it comes to treating people humanely. A criminal, no matter how small or big, is still a human being. But of course, more people are worried about the theft of a tiny bottle of liquor over the abuse inflicted on another person. When we put higher value on our 'things' and the protection of them over living, breathing, feeling people then it's no wonder the world is in the shape it is in. But that's what the Jesus says, right know1, to beat a person down the moment he steps out of line and does something idiotic??? Somehow he must have morphed into a monster at that moment. Or maybe the monster's in the mirror...
Grow up. I'm totally against violence. I was wondering if the amount of shoplifting that occurs would go down if the consequences were more severe.
Besides, if you tell someone that they will absolutely 100% face a beating if they steal and they still do it, who's to blame?
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Besides, if you tell someone that they will absolutely 100% face a beating if they steal and they still do it, who's to blame?
Are you guys serious or just joking? Because that might be the stupidest arguement I have ever heard. It was wrong and retarded on so many levels. I feel stupider for just reading that.
First off, a beating is against the law in most countries expect for the Muslim ones and Bush's secret prisons. Second, unless your Judge Dredd, nobody is allowed to exact punishment on the spot of crime. Third, we have a court system where everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of your peers. Finally, if your the type of person that is just waiting for someone to commit a crime so you can beat them then you have a fucked up brain and should be in jail.
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Grow up. I'm totally against violence. I was wondering if the amount of shoplifting that occurs would go down if the consequences were more severe.
Besides, if you tell someone that they will absolutely 100% face a beating if they steal and they still do it, who's to blame?
+1 on the beating
No one I have ever met enjoys getting their ass handed to them. I have zero tolerance for people who steal. They know what they're doing when they do it. If you are willing to steal, you should also be ready to catch an ass whooping if you get caught.
BTW, in Baltimore, people would have been laughing at those "security" guards...and I've seen cats get slammed to the sidewalk on their face in NYC for shoplifting. I don't think it's a matter of fair or right...but if you steal, you're setting that kind of treatment in motion, and if you get caught, you own the consequences.
Are you guys serious or just joking? Because that might be the stupidest arguement I have ever heard. It was wrong and retarded on so many levels. I feel stupider for just reading that.
First off, a beating is against the law in most countries expect for the Muslim ones and Bush's secret prisons. Second, unless your Judge Dredd, nobody is allowed to exact punishment on the spot of crime. Third, we have a court system where everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of your peers. Finally, if your the type of person that is just waiting for someone to commit a crime so you can beat them then you have a fucked up brain and should be in jail.
You're right. They should have asked that guy to join them for tea and a heartfelt rendering of the timeless classic "Kumbaya"
Fuck 'em. He's a thief. He got his ass beat. Life is hard.
people throw around terms like "murder" without knowing what it means. do not shoplift. if you do, you are going to get fucked up, rightfully so. i do not feel sorry for these people. i do not feel sorry for people that whine about being beaten up by security when they faily to do what security is telling them to do. if you struggle, or try to explain, you are going to get punched and restrained until you stop struggling and trying to explain. all of the people that disagree with the video that started this thread will never understand what it's like to be a law enforcement officer or a security guard.
The security guard killed him so I would call that murder. And it seems to be a pretty high price to pay for shoplifting. It makes chopping off the hand seem like a good deal.
The security guard killed him so I would call that murder. And it seems to be a pretty high price to pay for shoplifting. It makes chopping off the hand seem like a good deal.
It makes not being a thief seem like an even better deal
Grow up. I'm totally against violence. I was wondering if the amount of shoplifting that occurs would go down if the consequences were more severe.
Besides, if you tell someone that they will absolutely 100% face a beating if they steal and they still do it, who's to blame?
People that are against violence tend to speak out against the use of it not advocate it if it reduces shoplifting. I see nowhere where you were against this violence. I do see, however hypothetical, you insinuating how it might work to stop crime. There are plenty of hideous things we could do to hinder crime but that doesn't make it right or even worth considering.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
What they should do is put a black mask over their heads and send them to a secret jail where they have no due process or timetable on their release.
Joking aside, those securty guards just bought that kid his next car. So, Good Job! Two security guards on a power trip forgot about camera phones and now some shoplifter will have a new car thanks to them.
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What they should do is put a black mask over their heads and send them to a secret jail where they have no due process or timetable on their release.
Joking aside, those securty guards just bought that kid his next car. So, Good Job! Two security guards on a power trip forgot about camera phones and now some shoplifter will have a new car thanks to them.
at one point there's a 3rd guy who starts standing on top of the guys legs/ankles and even starts grinding his body down ontop of them
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
people throw around terms like "murder" without knowing what it means. do not shoplift. if you do, you are going to get fucked up, rightfully so. i do not feel sorry for these people.
1 : to kill (a human being) unlawfully and with premeditated malice
2 : to slaughter wantonly : SLAY
3 a : to put an end to
i think killing someone for possibly shoplifting is unlawful...hell, even if they DID steal i doubt any court would sentence a person to death for it.
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
My grandpa was a greeter at WalMart and once he caught someone trying to run out of the store with stolen goods and he caught them and the guy swung at him and my 75 year old grandpa punched him in the face and broke his jaw.
No charges were filed...it was self defense...MANY people saw the shoplifter attack my grandpa.
*giggles* my old grandpa kicked the crap out of a young shoplifter
I love my papa
Underneath this smile lies everything
all my hopes, anger, pride and shame...
No, I was asking whether or not it mattered if the guys were police officers, plain-clothed security guards, or if the were only citizens.
Nobody overstepped "reasonable force" here. Actual police officers probably would have used their nightsticks and beat up the guy even more (which is okay) if he kept fighting back.
Let's break this down, a bit, then.
Imagine a pub, where the licensee lives on the premises and, by law, has the right to refuse custom under any circumstances. He/she has the right to exercise reasonable force against a troublemaker, and get them off the premises. A good old left hook would count as reasonable force, too, as long as you didn't kill the fucker.
But if you employ a bouncer to exercise reasonable force on your behalf, you're approaching the grounds of liability, if the bouncer hasn't the sense to take the troublemaker off the premises before giving them a hiding. If a bouncer beats shit out of a drunk on the property, then things get awkward. It starts to look like an altercation, disproportionate to the initial "offence" of a drunk annoying people. If the attacked person wants to press criminal charges or sue civilly, they've a point to work on.
Now, imagine if a bunch of guys - customers - jumped on a drunk in a pub, on the premise that they claimed they saw him stealing a lady's handbag from the bar. We have a) a bunch of guys throwing their weight around and acting vigilante, b) the absence of management, which should have been there to control the situation from the outset. A suspected theft turns into an assault. Two wrongs, making a bigger wrong, and not a "right" redressing a wrong.
This pub analogy works in our case, because a store should be far more vigilant concerning troublemakers and thieves, seeing as it is usually equipped with cameras and store detectives, who could easily have installed beepers at the shop doors/security guards outside.
When are they going to fully develop the future predicting technology of the movie "Minority Report" and start beating these people as they're entering the store?
j/k.
The fat security guard was stupid to throw the punches. I would have been tempted to kick the guard in the ass if I was passing buy and saw those cheap shots. Other than that he was just holding the struggling guy down.
Does anybody know what happened before the camera turned on? When I worked at a grocery store as a stock monkey, there were a few occasions when, upon busting a shoplifter, we would be using what seemed like excessive force to someone who may have been just passing by, but what they didn't see were the punches or kicks or bites directed towards us before the fact. Once a shoplifter directs any form of violence towards you, you can do anything reasonable including punching, stepping on, choking to detain the shoplifter. What was illegal (in Ontario anyway) was the use of handcuffs. One of the security guards in the mall that I worked in got fired for using handcuffs and the cops would have charged him if the guy that we brought down wasn't wanted in 3 provinces (including Ontario) for armed robbery and assault.
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Damn, these mall security guards went well beyond what they are allowed. No security officer is ever allowed in any state to punch a shoplifter in the face while hes being restrained. Those guys are going to get sued and charged with assault and battery.
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Yes those who break the law should be punished but not by "Security". There is a reason we have the rule of law bootlegger10 or do you think we should have a free-for-all?
I dont "always take the criminals side", I just believe that there is a thing call the criminal justice system and we should use it, not take the law into our own hands. I think what yuou siad that the guy should ahve got a bat to the head is really disturbing. To wish ahrm on anyone no matter what is quite horrible.
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Nobody says he shouldn't be punished. Nobdoy.
Well, if it happened fifty years ago good thing he isn't black.
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people throw around terms like "murder" without knowing what it means. do not shoplift. if you do, you are going to get fucked up, rightfully so. i do not feel sorry for these people. i do not feel sorry for people that whine about being beaten up by security when they faily to do what security is telling them to do. if you struggle, or try to explain, you are going to get punched and restrained until you stop struggling and trying to explain. all of the people that disagree with the video that started this thread will never understand what it's like to be a law enforcement officer or a security guard.
from my window to yours
I hope you are not law enforcement or a security guard because that's not definitely not the right mentality.
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You're quick to judge, but slow to comprehend. I wasn't advocating it, just posing a hypothetical maybe. Read it again.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Grow up. I'm totally against violence. I was wondering if the amount of shoplifting that occurs would go down if the consequences were more severe.
Besides, if you tell someone that they will absolutely 100% face a beating if they steal and they still do it, who's to blame?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
IF we were civilized, that guy wouldn't have been a thief.
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Are you guys serious or just joking? Because that might be the stupidest arguement I have ever heard. It was wrong and retarded on so many levels. I feel stupider for just reading that.
First off, a beating is against the law in most countries expect for the Muslim ones and Bush's secret prisons. Second, unless your Judge Dredd, nobody is allowed to exact punishment on the spot of crime. Third, we have a court system where everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law by a jury of your peers. Finally, if your the type of person that is just waiting for someone to commit a crime so you can beat them then you have a fucked up brain and should be in jail.
+1 on the beating
No one I have ever met enjoys getting their ass handed to them. I have zero tolerance for people who steal. They know what they're doing when they do it. If you are willing to steal, you should also be ready to catch an ass whooping if you get caught.
BTW, in Baltimore, people would have been laughing at those "security" guards...and I've seen cats get slammed to the sidewalk on their face in NYC for shoplifting. I don't think it's a matter of fair or right...but if you steal, you're setting that kind of treatment in motion, and if you get caught, you own the consequences.
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You're right. They should have asked that guy to join them for tea and a heartfelt rendering of the timeless classic "Kumbaya"
Fuck 'em. He's a thief. He got his ass beat. Life is hard.
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The security guard killed him so I would call that murder. And it seems to be a pretty high price to pay for shoplifting. It makes chopping off the hand seem like a good deal.
It makes not being a thief seem like an even better deal
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security gaurds have a high crime rate-loser wannabee cops that couldnt make the grade
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People that are against violence tend to speak out against the use of it not advocate it if it reduces shoplifting. I see nowhere where you were against this violence. I do see, however hypothetical, you insinuating how it might work to stop crime. There are plenty of hideous things we could do to hinder crime but that doesn't make it right or even worth considering.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Joking aside, those securty guards just bought that kid his next car. So, Good Job! Two security guards on a power trip forgot about camera phones and now some shoplifter will have a new car thanks to them.
at one point there's a 3rd guy who starts standing on top of the guys legs/ankles and even starts grinding his body down ontop of them
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
1 : to kill (a human being) unlawfully and with premeditated malice
2 : to slaughter wantonly : SLAY
3 a : to put an end to
i think killing someone for possibly shoplifting is unlawful...hell, even if they DID steal i doubt any court would sentence a person to death for it.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
No charges were filed...it was self defense...MANY people saw the shoplifter attack my grandpa.
*giggles* my old grandpa kicked the crap out of a young shoplifter
I love my papa
all my hopes, anger, pride and shame...
Let's break this down, a bit, then.
Imagine a pub, where the licensee lives on the premises and, by law, has the right to refuse custom under any circumstances. He/she has the right to exercise reasonable force against a troublemaker, and get them off the premises. A good old left hook would count as reasonable force, too, as long as you didn't kill the fucker.
But if you employ a bouncer to exercise reasonable force on your behalf, you're approaching the grounds of liability, if the bouncer hasn't the sense to take the troublemaker off the premises before giving them a hiding. If a bouncer beats shit out of a drunk on the property, then things get awkward. It starts to look like an altercation, disproportionate to the initial "offence" of a drunk annoying people. If the attacked person wants to press criminal charges or sue civilly, they've a point to work on.
Now, imagine if a bunch of guys - customers - jumped on a drunk in a pub, on the premise that they claimed they saw him stealing a lady's handbag from the bar. We have a) a bunch of guys throwing their weight around and acting vigilante, b) the absence of management, which should have been there to control the situation from the outset. A suspected theft turns into an assault. Two wrongs, making a bigger wrong, and not a "right" redressing a wrong.
This pub analogy works in our case, because a store should be far more vigilant concerning troublemakers and thieves, seeing as it is usually equipped with cameras and store detectives, who could easily have installed beepers at the shop doors/security guards outside.
j/k.
The fat security guard was stupid to throw the punches. I would have been tempted to kick the guard in the ass if I was passing buy and saw those cheap shots. Other than that he was just holding the struggling guy down.
Didn't look that bad to me.
Amazing how long it actually took to control the guy though.
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Maybe they were filming an R. Kelly video?
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