Terrorism, seriously..

LikeAnOcean · November 2008

All it would take is one small attack on US soil to put this country in a frenzy and write the government a blank check to do whatever..

So when the next attack happens, and 30, 100, maybe 3000 people die.. how many million more are we going to kill in retaliation? What is the 9/11 retaliation total as of now?

The big question I'm getting at, is can Obama fight terrorism more efficiently than Bush?

You have two options the way I see it. You can be a pussy, let them push you around and hope they go away, or you can be tough and keep poking at the bees nest... It's a lose, lose situation.. humanity amazes me sometimes.

Mutiny! he cried · November 2008

I don't think the only 2 options are do nothing or be aggressive, we could always change our foreign policy and stop supporting, arming and protecting brutal, repressive thugs

MrBrian · November 2008

I'll tell you what, if another attack happens, alll Obama needs to do is give one of those 'YES WE CAN' speeches, and most will line up right behind him.

People Wont ask anyway questions, just wave the flags chanting whatever new catch phrase he pulls out.

LikeAnOcean · November 2008

MrBrian wrote:

I'll tell you what, if another attack happens, alll Obama needs to do is give one of those 'YES WE CAN' speeches, and most will line up right behind him.

People Wont ask anyway questions, just wave the flags chanting whatever new catch phrase he pulls out.

But can you blame them?.. 9/11 had me in a frenzy. I was willing to do things a rational me would have never have done.

Sucks to be human.

MrBrian · November 2008

LikeAnOcean wrote:

But can you blame them?.. 9/11 had me in a frenzy. I was willing to do things a rational me would have never have done.

Sucks to be human.

ok, would you be in a frenzy again? Probably not, you are obvioulsy more educated now into matters of the world, policy and so on.

Why didnt most Americans start to educate themselves after 9/11? All they did was watch CNN,FOX and whatever to heal them and feed them info.

How can I not blame them?

You see, some Americans didnt just fall in line after 9/11. some asked 'why', some took time to understand the situation, the history.

It does not suck to be human, it probably sucks to be ignorant.

Mutiny! he cried · November 2008

MrBrian wrote:

I'll tell you what, if another attack happens, alll Obama needs to do is give one of those 'YES WE CAN' speeches, and most will line up right behind him.

People Wont ask anyway questions, just wave the flags chanting whatever new catch phrase he pulls out.

Indeed

I can even see some of these neo-liberals and blind supporters/attack dogs as being like the brown shirts

RolandTD20Kdrummer · November 2008

LikeAnOcean wrote:

But can you blame them?.. 9/11 had me in a frenzy. I was willing to do things a rational me would have never have done.

Sucks to be human.

Which brings the saying immediately to mind "fool me once....fool me twice.."

Human was the first time, I think everyone jumped aboard. There's no excuse for this the second time.

Mutiny! he cried · November 2008

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

Which brings the saying immediately to mind "fool me once....fool me twice.."

Human was the first time, I think everyone jumped aboard. There's no excuse for this the second time.

I thinks it's "fool me once shame on...shame on you, fool me twice can't get fooled again"

Maybe that's only in Tennessee

Anon · November 2008

MrBrian wrote:

I'll tell you what, if another attack happens, alll Obama needs to do is give one of those 'YES WE CAN' speeches, and most will line up right behind him.

People Wont ask anyway questions, just wave the flags chanting whatever new catch phrase he pulls out.

Not this girl, and from what i have read over time here amongst a lot of the other obama supporters, and obama supporters that i know personally, i strongly disagree with what you are saying and i think you are wrong. You have nothing to base this on. Absolutely nothing. You really can be quite insulting at times.

catefrances · November 2008

LikeAnOcean wrote:

All it would take is one small attack on US soil to put this country in a frenzy and write the government a blank check to do whatever..
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whatare you talking about? the USA is already in a frenzy. has been for 7 years 2 months and 16 days.

the government of the united states would be foolish to retaliate to another attack the same way it did last time. what is needed are cool heads and a serious look at the big BIG picture. rambo tactics do not work. its time to THINK. actually in 2001 it was time to think but the opportunity was blown and i hope the pattern is not repeated.

Anon · November 2008

LikeAnOcean wrote:

But can you blame them?.. 9/11 had me in a frenzy. I was willing to do things a rational me would have never have done.

Sucks to be human.

I disagree with what MrBrian is saying and yes, i absolutely would blame them. Surely we've learnt something since 9/11. War is not the answer. How about we stop sticking our nose in other countries business and change our foreign policies, so we are not constantly a target. There's a start.

catefrances · November 2008

Pj_Gurl wrote:

I disagree with what MrBrian is saying and yes, i absolutely would blame them. Surely we've learnt something since 9/11. War is not the answer. How about we stop sticking our nose in other countries business and change our foreign policies, so we are not constantly a target. There's a start.

but... but... we need to democratise the world god damn it.

Sweet Emotion · November 2008

catefrances wrote:

whatare you talking about? the USA is already in a frenzy. has been for 7 years 2 months and 16 days.

the government of the united states would be foolish to retaliate to another attack the same way it did last time. what is needed are cool heads and a serious look at the big BIG picture. rambo tactics do not work. its time to THINK. actually in 2001 it was time to think but the opportunity was blown and i hope the pattern is not repeated.

Bush still has 50 something days left to do a helluva lot of damage.
He will domestically. That's a given. There are a lot of people paying very close attention to everything he does, all of a sudden. Where have they been for the past nearly 8 yrs?? But if he gets the chance to 'go ballistic' internationally, one mo time, I'm not so sure he'd pass up the opportunity.
Guys like him have a limited number of card tricks, jokes and gimmicks.

Collin · November 2008

LikeAnOcean wrote:

But can you blame them?.. 9/11 had me in a frenzy. I was willing to do things a rational me would have never have done.

Sucks to be human.

Of course we can blame them.

Collin · November 2008

Pj_Gurl wrote:

I disagree with what MrBrian is saying and yes, i absolutely would blame them. Surely we've learnt something since 9/11. War is not the answer. How about we stop sticking our nose in other countries business and change our foreign policies, so we are not constantly a target. There's a start.

Yep, unfortunately I don't see a change in foreign policy coming.

catefrances · November 2008

Sweet Emotion wrote:

Bush still has 50 something days left to do a helluva lot of damage.
He will domestically. That's a given. There are a lot of people paying very close attention to everything he does, all of a sudden. Where have they been for the past nearly 8 yrs?? But if he gets the chance to 'go ballistic' internationally, one mo time, I'm not so sure he'd pass up the opportunity.
Guys like him have a limited number of card tricks, jokes and gimmicks.

and right now hes a lame duck pardoning thanksgiving turkeys.

angelica · November 2008

MrBrian wrote:

I'll tell you what, if another attack happens, alll Obama needs to do is give one of those 'YES WE CAN' speeches, and most will line up right behind him.

People Wont ask anyway questions, just wave the flags chanting whatever new catch phrase he pulls out.

This is what I see as well, for the most part. :(

polaris · November 2008

america does not function without global instability ... until people realize that little wars here and there is what actually allows america to run on a day to day basis - the whole concept on this war on terror is just a smokescreen ...

american corporations that grow bigger and bigger need access to cheap resources and labour - they get that by exploiting foreign countries and free trade agreements ... if a country doesn't defer to america's economic might - expect political instability in the region ...

add to that the military industrial complex that only cares about selling arms around the world - then what you have is a foundation for a country that is based on the need for terrorism ...

unifiedscene · November 2008

LikeAnOcean wrote:

All it would take is one small attack on US soil to put this country in a frenzy and write the government a blank check to do whatever..

So when the next attack happens, and 30, 100, maybe 3000 people die.. how many million more are we going to kill in retaliation? What is the 9/11 retaliation total as of now?

The big question I'm getting at, is can Obama fight terrorism more efficiently than Bush?

You have two options the way I see it. You can be a pussy, let them push you around and hope they go away, or you can be tough and keep poking at the bees nest... It's a loose loose situation.. humanity amazes me sometimes.

I think you mean "lose-lose."

My money's on Obama responding better than Bush. There are ways to respond that do not make the country a doormat but also do not worsen the situation. Had we focused on Afghanistan and protecting its people and rooting out the terrorist camps there instead of running off to Iraq for Bush's moron vendetta witch hunt, we would be much better off today. I think Obama knows the difference between a necessary conflict and foolish swaggering.

unifiedscene · November 2008

Pj_Gurl wrote:

Not this girl, and from what i have read over time here amongst a lot of the other obama supporters, and obama supporters that i know personally, i strongly disagree with what you are saying and i think you are wrong. You have nothing to base this on. Absolutely nothing. You really can be quite insulting at times.

I'm with you there. The whining and condescension from the left are starting to make me appreciate those right-wing Christian nutters. At least they're honest about believing themselves to be superior, these left-wingers are so disingenuously insulting. For 8 years, we heard about how Bush was an idiot and anyone who supported him was an idiot. Now it's Obama and he's a war-mongering idiot and anyone who voted for him is a brain-dead sheep. If Nader had won, these people would switch camps and start whining about how he's arming Palestine and complaining that his supporters are sheep.

These people have no real solutions to offer, they just like to complain and feel superior and martyred by spotting all the flaws in everyone else's ideas while being very careful to never advance any of their own. Why? Because that's actually really hard and they have no ideas other than that everyone else is wrong and probably secretly a fascist sheep. And even if they had any ideas, they wouldn't put them out for public debate because it would expose the fact that their ideas also have plenty of flaws and that their opium dreams of some utopian world peace orgy are absurd. This is an imperfect world where imperfect leaders make imperfect decisions in reaction to the irrational decisions of other leaders.

If Obama starts beating a war drum, I'll be first in line to be pissed off and ask him what the hell he thinks he's doing. I gave Bush the same benefit of the doubt until he started spouting his Axis of Evil bullshit. But just because I supported Obama and think he stands to do a much better job than the last administration does not mean he gets a blank check from me, or anyone else I know that supported him. Yes, we think he's good and yes we're hopeful that he'll be great. But that does not mean we're all blind and haven't learned anything over the last 8 years. Nor does it mean we're all brain dead sheep who had no idea what his stances were. They act like all we need is for them to grace us with a little bit of their blessed intellect and we will all see the light and realize Obama is actually Satan. :rolleyes:

polaris · November 2008

unifiedscene wrote:

I'm with you there. The whining and condescension from the left are starting to make me appreciate those right-wing Christian nutters. At least they're honest about believing themselves to be superior, these left-wingers are so disingenuously insulting. For 8 years, we heard about how Bush was an idiot and anyone who supported him was an idiot. Now it's Obama and he's a war-mongering idiot and anyone who voted for him is a brain-dead sheep. If Nader had won, these people would switch camps and start whining about how he's arming Palestine and complaining that his supporters are sheep.

These people have no real solutions to offer, they just like to complain and feel superior and martyred by spotting all the flaws in everyone else's ideas while being very careful to never advance any of their own. Why? Because that's actually really hard and they have no ideas other than that everyone else is wrong and probably secretly a fascist sheep. And even if they had any ideas, they wouldn't put them out for public debate because it would expose the fact that their ideas also have plenty of flaws and that their opium dreams of some utopian world peace orgy are absurd. This is an imperfect world where imperfect leaders make imperfect decisions in reaction to the irrational decisions of other leaders.

If Obama starts beating a war drum, I'll be first in line to be pissed off and ask him what the hell he thinks he's doing. I gave Bush the same benefit of the doubt until he started spouting his Axis of Evil bullshit. But just because I supported Obama and think he stands to do a much better job than the last administration does not mean he gets a blank check from me, or anyone else I know that supported him. Yes, we think he's good and yes we're hopeful that he'll be great. But that does not mean we're all blind and haven't learned anything over the last 8 years. Nor does it mean we're all brain dead sheep who had no idea what his stances were. They act like all we need is for them to grace us with a little bit of their blessed intellect and we will all see the light and realize Obama is actually Satan. :rolleyes:

this post is a kin to the right calling obama a socialist ... not a lot of substance to be quite frank ... we all have a vision of what we want the world and their country to be ... instead of calling people whiners who don't see things like you seem to ... why not try and engage them in meaningful discussion?

Terrorism, seriously..

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