Was Housewife Too Quick To Pull Trigger?
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Jeanie wrote:Well I've got some great neighbours and I've got some very scary neighbours indeed. I wouldn't wish harm on any of them and I'd help out any of them if they needed it and have done. BUT when the police decided that I should go talk to my neighbour about the noise, quite frankly I thought they must be completely out of their minds. There was no way I was going up there in my pyjamas, at 3am, to tell the guy and his mates, who have a history of drug and alcohol abuse, petty crime and violence that they needed to turn the music down and I told the copper that. It's not like they were unaware of the problems the whole neighbourhood had had with that neighbour. I don't dislike the guy BUT there are times to speak to your neighbours and go to your neighbours for help and there are neighbours that will take advantage of you at every turn. So I guess you have to weigh it up based on what you know. Even if I'd had a gun I'd have not gone to that guys house in those circumstances. As far as I'm concerned that's what we're paying taxes for. For the police to come and sort it out.
I don't think guns are necessarily a bad thing OLS, you know this. BUT we don't really have them here and we muddle along ok. I can't speak for your situation because I'm not in it. I've managed to get through my life without a gun and I've survived bad experiences ok. For all that I hate that some people have a history of inflicting their shit on others, I'm also grateful that I've never used a gun against another person. I couldn't live with the consequences REGARDLESS of what that person did or was doing to me. But my situation is very different to yours. So I understand your sentiment and your reasoning but my situation is different.
you said the most intelligent thing anyone here has ever said."I can't speak for your situation because I'm not in it". these rightous people here can't see past their little worlds and accept that other situations exist. that other people live in different situations.0 -
onelongsong wrote:you said the most intelligent thing anyone here has ever said."I can't speak for your situation because I'm not in it". these rightous people here can't see past their little worlds and accept that other situations exist. that other people live in different situations.
Well I don't know that it's righteous. I can understand why people would be outraged. I just find these things sad. They're a series of actions and reactions filtered by the people in them based on their life and experience. I just know that I can't know for certain ABSOLUTELY what I would do in any given circumstance based on my life as it's been so far. So how could I expect someone to behave as I would behave based on my life if I'm not even sure what I'd do myself? Sometimes you fight, sometimes you curl up in a ball and hope it all goes away. But that's just me. Perhaps both of these people were wrong? Maybe one of them was right and one of them was wrong. Maybe they were both right? Who knows? But I'll NEVER forget what my Gran always told me. "Walk a mile in my shoes" It's a good thing to remember I've found.
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gue_barium wrote:"...sold it right after they shot John Lennon..."
That's got to be one of the most contrived pieces of political BS I've ever seen on this board.
that's what went through my head too. that's like saying i threw away my toothbrush b/c my neighbour got dentures.0 -
catefrances wrote:well of course you could. if someone was home when their house was invaded and they manage to catch the bad guy in flagranti delicto then sure chances are they could press charges. if someone breaks into my house while im at uni, then chances are rather good that im never gonna know who did it, so then in all likelihood there will be no case to cite.
i think the mindset of someone who does not care if a home is occupied when they decide to burgle it, is different from the burglar whose only concern is to get the loot and get away scot free with no complications.
but how would the burgler know for sure? ring the bell? hell; when i lived in the city i never answered my door cuz it was either someone selling something or jahovahs witnesses. unless of course i heard the ups truck. i'd answer for them if i was dressed. i retired 12 years ago as of 12/31. if someone invaded my home during the day; i probably was home. since most home invasions occur at night; i would've been home for sure.
i did have a home invader once. i showed him my .44 and told him he had 3 seconds to run. and he did. waiting outside was a neighbour with a bat cuz the bloke burgled him before breaking into my house.0 -
onelongsong wrote:you said the most intelligent thing anyone here has ever said."I can't speak for your situation because I'm not in it". these rightous people here can't see past their little worlds and accept that other situations exist. that other people live in different situations.
i dont care how self-righteous you think i am OLS. guns kill people. people get so riled up with their emotions that oftentimes they arent thinking straight and sometimes shit happens that they later regret. not once have i questioned your situation. and damn straight people live in different situations, just like not all criminals have the same motivation. i hhave held a rifle, i have felt its weight and the power surge through me. and i have fired that rifle. and i can tell you, personally that power i felt, scared the shit out me. to think i was capable of ending soemone's life with one small movement of my finger. i dont ever want to feel that again. and sure you can say well i was just inexperienced or whatever, but the fact remains i am not in a position to be able to make the decision to take the life of another, except in self defense and undeniably, in defense of my children.hear my name
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catefrances wrote:i dont care how self-righteous you think i am OLS. guns kill people. people get so riled up with their emotions that oftentimes they arent thinking straight and sometimes shit happens that they later regret. not once have i questioned your situation. and damn straight people live in different situations, just like not all criminals have the same motivation. i hhave held a rifle, i have felt its weight and the power surge through me. and i have fired that rifle. and i can tell you, personally that power i felt, scared the shit out me. to think i was capable of ending soemone's life with one small movement of my finger. i dont ever want to feel that again. and sure you can say well i was just inexperienced or whatever, but the fact remains i am not in a position to be able to make the decision to take the life of another, except in self defense and undeniably, in defense of my children.
first; please don't put words into my mouth. i never said YOU were self rightous.
second; i've said many times that most people shouldn't have guns.
third; i know that you realize my situation and how it differs; so i never questioned YOU.
forth; i agree with you most of the time. i'm not your enemy.
fifth; if the woman in the story was in oz; she probably would've been raped and murdered.
sixth; the power you described is my best argument for having a gun. if a 1 tonne bull is charging me i HAVE to shoot it; or be killed. buffalo can break through any fence including brick walls. they can outrun a horse and jump 2 meters high from a stand-still. they're not an animal to play with and that power is needed to control them. i use a .22 with birdshot when one starts to get out of line; but an attack is an attack. i have seconds to respond and i need that power.
seventh; if the criminal has that power; i want to level the playing field. i've been a victim too many times and i won't be a victim again. i was held at gunpoint just meters from my front door. that criminal was prepared to kill me.0 -
Songburst wrote:Doesn't it blow anybody else's mind that she had a loaded handgun on (or in) her nightstand? Who does that? I guess it worked out for her but that's fucking crazy. I can't imagine living in so much fear that I would require sleeping with a loaded gun. Some of you Americans are a rare breed for sure.
I find it funny how owning a gun or having a loaded gun nearby, while sleeping; is automatically "living in fear".
It's this bizarre stereotype designed to portray gun owners as these nervous and twitchy individuals cowhering in the corner, with their handgun aimed at the nearest doorway or window. Quick to startle, quick to jump.
When in fact, most gun owners have the weapons for self-defense, hunting and sport. I know of no gun owners who live in fear. It is an attempt to be prepared and protect oneself and family. It's a precaution......preventive medicine, if you will.
In this case, it's clear this woman had the right idea. Was she living in fear? Probably not. Unless there was something going on with this guy and this woman, that we're not aware of; causing her to load and keep the gun in fear of this particular guy. Which does not seem to be the case at this time.
Having a gun there was probably a pre-caution in self-defense and it probably saved her life.
I have no faith in a breaking and entering rapist (regardless of his mental illness. I mean aren't they all mentally ill?!?!?!) with a kife, that he may spare her life; after raping her.
It disgusts me to think that someone would actually suggest she allow herself to be raped. That's sick and demented.
We all have a right to self-defense and to protect the lives of ourselves, our families, neighbors and friends. I don't care what coountry you live in, you have that right regardless of the respective laws.
Fact is, law enforcement can only do so much. More often than not, they arrive only after the crime/murder/rape has been committed. So good luck in waiting for the police to respond and save your life.0 -
Collin wrote:I agree, most burglaries I've heard of here happen when the victims are away on vacation, out to work etc.
so then what do you suppose HOME INVASION means?0 -
catefrances wrote:i dont care how self-righteous you think i am OLS. guns kill people. people get so riled up with their emotions that oftentimes they arent thinking straight and sometimes shit happens that they later regret. not once have i questioned your situation. and damn straight people live in different situations, just like not all criminals have the same motivation. i hhave held a rifle, i have felt its weight and the power surge through me. and i have fired that rifle. and i can tell you, personally that power i felt, scared the shit out me. to think i was capable of ending soemone's life with one small movement of my finger. i dont ever want to feel that again. and sure you can say well i was just inexperienced or whatever, but the fact remains i am not in a position to be able to make the decision to take the life of another, except in self defense and undeniably, in defense of my children.
People kill people. Guns are just a tool.
Prior to guns, people killed people with arrows, spears, swords, knives, rocks, wooden clubs or whatever they can get their hands on.
And people defended themselves with the same tools/weapons.
Every time you get behind the wheel of a car, you are in a position to kill someone. Standing at a red light while people cross in front of you. All it takes is a gentle, but firm nudge to the gas pedal.0 -
NMyTree wrote:I find it funny how owning a gun or having a loaded gun nearby, while sleeping; is automatically "living in fear".
It's this bizarre stereotype designed to portray gun owners as these nervous and twitchy individuals cowhering in the corner, with their handgun aimed at the nearest doorway or window. Quick to startle, quick to jump.
When in fact, most gun owners have the weapons for self-defense, hunting and sport. I know of no gun owners who live in fear. It is an attempt to be prepared and protect oneself and family. It's a precaution......preventive medicine, if you will.
In this case, it's clear this woman had the right idea. Was she living in fear? Probably not. Unless there was something going on with this guy and this woman, that we're not aware of; causing her to load and keep the gun in fear of this particular guy. Which does not seem to be the case at this time.
Having a gun there was probably a pre-caution in self-defense and it probably saved her life.
I have no faith in a breaking and entering rapist (regardless of his mental illness. I mean aren't they all mentally ill?!?!?!) with a kife, that he may spare her life; after raping her.
It disgusts me to think that someone would actually suggest she allow herself to be raped. That's sick and demented.
We all have a right to self-defense and to protect the lives of ourselves, our families, neighbors and friends. I don't care what coountry you live in, you have that right regardless of the respective laws.
Fact is, law enforcement can only do so much. More often than not, they arrive only after the crime/murder/rape has been committed. So good luck in waiting for the police to respond and save your life.
thank you. when i was held at gunpoint; the police NEVER arrived. they called 3 hours later and said i was "too far out" in the mountians and they'd take a phone report.
you're right about legal gun owners. they practice and respect the power they hold in their hands. the criminals do not. we know the destructive power and thus we're much more careful than anyone else. are there a few nutters out there; sure; but there's more criminals that are nutters and those are the dangerous ones. we have a right to protect ourselves. we don't have a right to expect the police to be there when the crime is committed nor do we have a right to expect the police to protect us. thus we have crime.0 -
onelongsong wrote:first; please don't put words into my mouth. i never said YOU were self rightous.
second; i've said many times that most people shouldn't have guns.
third; i know that you realize my situation and how it differs; so i never questioned YOU.
forth; i agree with you most of the time. i'm not your enemy.
fifth; if the woman in the story was in oz; she probably would've been raped and murdered.
sixth; the power you described is my best argument for having a gun. if a 1 tonne bull is charging me i HAVE to shoot it; or be killed. buffalo can break through any fence including brick walls. they can outrun a horse and jump 2 meters high from a stand-still. they're not an animal to play with and that power is needed to control them. i use a .22 with birdshot when one starts to get out of line; but an attack is an attack. i have seconds to respond and i need that power.
seventh; if the criminal has that power; i want to level the playing field. i've been a victim too many times and i won't be a victim again. i was held at gunpoint just meters from my front door. that criminal was prepared to kill me.
these rightous people here can't see past their little worlds .
when you make such a broad statement as the one above, i feel included.
as for your 6th point... about that power being your best argument. well in realtion to me, its my best argument as well. and you know i ain't talking about facing a rampaging bull or buffalo. i'm talking about humans.hear my name
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NMyTree wrote:People kill people. Guns are just a tool.
Prior to guns, people killed people with arrows, spears, swords, knives, rocks, wooden clubs or whatever they can get their hands on.
And people defended themselves with the same tools/weapons.
Every time you get behind the wheel of a car, you are in a position to kill someone. Standing at a red light while people cross in front of you. All it takes is a gentle, but firm nudge to the gas pedal.
right again. criminals exist. we happen to have a population of about 340 million so our stats are high. when countries without guns post their murder rates; they never post the number of unsolved crimes. the number of criminals to innocent victims is the same all over. it's simple human nature. law of averages; or whatever you want to call it.
i don't live in fear because i know i'm prepared. those that go blindly through their lives are the ones that should live in fear. they are usually the victims. gun owners know to be aware of their surroundings. those walking out of a store talking on a cell phone are more likely to be a victim.0 -
catefrances wrote:these rightous people here can't see past their little worlds .
when you make such a broad statement as the one above, i feel included.
as for your 6th point... about that power being your best argument. well in realtion to me, its my best argument as well. and you know i ain't talking about facing a rampaging bull or buffalo. i'm talking about humans.
if you felt included; then you feel you are self rightous. otherwise you'd know i was talking about other people.
(edit: there's a difference between rightous and self rightous. you chose to label yourself.)0 -
NMyTree wrote:People kill people. Guns are just a tool.
Prior to guns, people killed people with arrows, spears, swords, knives, rocks, wooden clubs or whatever they can get their hands on.
And people defended themselves with the same tools/weapons.
Every time you get behind the wheel of a car, you are in a position to kill someone. Standing at a red light while people cross in front of you. All it takes is a gentle, but firm nudge to the gas pedal.
i guess youre right cause if i'd been in possession of a gun, i would have pulled the trigger and i'd have been dead by now.hear my name
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A mask on his face and a knife to her throat? I could understand letting that slide on October 31st but not on any other day of the week.You've changed your place in this world!0
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onelongsong wrote:if you felt included; then you feel you are self rightous. otherwise you'd know i was talking about other people.
you know OLS sometimes tis difficult to know who you're aiming your posts at. it could have been better worded and directed. hear my name
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onelongsong wrote:thank you. when i was held at gunpoint; the police NEVER arrived. they called 3 hours later and said i was "too far out" in the mountians and they'd take a phone report.
Sorry to hear it happened to you. That sucks. I can't believe they wouldn't even make the drive out there. Well, scratch that. On second thought, I do believe it. Especially when it comes to those mountain and country areas. Most people who live out in the deep country, mountains or desert have at least one gun. I think most have several guns.
You have to. If you run into a bear or some other big wild animal, they won't care much about any moral discussion on taking a life. If they have it in their mind to go for you, they go for you.0 -
catefrances wrote:i guess youre right cause if i'd been in possession of a gun, i would have pulled the trigger and i'd have been dead by now.
That's why someone like you shouldn't have a gun. Guns are not for everyone. Some people simply are not stable enough to own a gun.
Unfortunately unstable criminals acquire guns and weapons all the time, through illegal channels.0 -
NMyTree wrote:Sorry to hear it happened to you. That sucks. I can't believe they wouldn't even make the drive out there. Well, scratch that. On second thought, I do believe it. Especially when it comes to those mountain and country areas. Most people who live out in the deep country, mountains or desert have at least one gun. I think most have several guns.
You have to. If you run into a bear or some other big wild animal, they won't care much about any moral discussion on taking a life. If they have it in their mind to go for you, they go for you.
well; in other areas like nebraska or kansas where farms are several miles apart and hours from the police; have the same problem. a criminal will drive several hours because they know if they kill someone in the boonies; it may be days before they're discovered. thus the perfect crime.
my biggest problem is mountain lions. humanization has taken away their habitat so they're hungry and getting brave. look at the attacks in southern california. they were in a very populated area.
i do have several guns. one day some bloke saw the buffalo and ran home to get his young kid. 4 or 5 i'd guess. he opened my gate and positioned his kid so the buffalo were in the background. i grabbed a 7 mm because i knew the bull would charge which he did. i was about to pull the trigger when he stopped and the bloke and his kid took off. i almost had to kill a $220,000 bull to save the life of an idiot. he entered my property without permission so if an animal killed them; it would be their own fault. but i do cherish human life so i was prepared.0 -
catefrances wrote:you know OLS sometimes tis difficult to know who you're aiming your posts at. it could have been better worded and directed.
sorry cate. i wasn't directing it at anyone in particular. just a general statement. i figured they'd know who they were.0
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