There is more than one God

Ahnimus wrote:

Here it is

ELOHIM: God (a plural noun, more than two, used with singular verbs); Elohim occurs 2,570 times in the OT, 32 times in Gen. 1. God as Creator, Preserver, Transcendent, Mighty and Strong. Eccl., Dan. Jonah use Elohim almost exclusively. See Gen. 17:7, 6:18, 9:15, 50:24; I Kings 8:23; Jer. 31:33; Isa. 40:1.

http://www.ldolphin.org/Names.html

Confirm that with your friend.

Just thinking, though: our concept of monotheism is skewed? Perhaps Elohim is a monotheism that is a sum of polytheistic elements, a way of saying, I am all manifestations of Godhood?

Our interpretation of the relationship between selfhood and oneness may be a symptom of our ideological period.

Arguably, ideas of human ontology, selfhood and individuality have largely developed comparatively recently. (Marxist historians and cultural theorists such as Raymond Williams argued that, in literature, this idea of the individual seems to surface around the time of the birth of capitalism, circa 1600 if you like.) Our idea of selfhood or identity might have been more pluralistic, beforehand?

I could grab my books and give you a full argument, backed up with supporting evidence, but I'll just throw out the proposition for now!

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Just thinking, though: our concept of monotheism is skewed? Perhaps Elohim is a monotheism that is a sum of polytheistic elements, a way of saying, I am all manifestations of Godhood?

Our interpretation of the relationship between selfhood and oneness may be a symptom of our ideological period.

Arguably, ideas of human ontology, selfhood and individuality have largely developed comparatively recently. (Marxist historians and cultural theorists such as Raymond Williams argued that, in literature, this idea of the individual seems to surface around the time of the birth of capitalism, circa 1600 if you like.) Our idea of selfhood or identity might have been more pluralistic, beforehand?

I could grab my books and give you a full argument, backed up with supporting evidence, but I'll just throw out the proposition for now!

1600 was a good guess. It was 1589 when my great(x5) grandfar, Ebeneezer Beelzebub was birthed from a bitch in an egyptian tomb.

Ahnimus wrote:

See the Elohim post above

Will anyone address the fact that God does not want us to live forever?
Am I seriously doing 'God's Will' by not wanting to live forever?

people get me rattled with these kinds of questions.

In Genesis when God kicks Adam and Eve out of the garden of eden he kicked them out because he did not want them to eat from the tree of life and live forever with sin. If Adam and Eve would've stayed there, they would've lived forever without redemption.... which wouldn't have been good for us.

Ahnimus wrote:

You didn't answer the question. How long has Jesus been around? Always? Like you said. Then how could he be one with God, he's a separate entity then.

Not sure what Jesus dying has to do with it. But why would it have been harder? And how did Jesus really sacrifice anything, he descended from heaven, died as a man, then returned to heaven. If he'd gone to Hell then I would call that a sacrifice.

It's not just that I don't believe in it, it's just that it doesn't make any sense, and therefor I can't believe in it.

ok... Jesus was only around from the time that Mary gave birth. The man Jesus had a beginning and had an end.

Christ, which means anointing, is what God was referring to in Genesis. "Let US create men in our image..." This is what created the universe. Hebrews says, "these last days he [God] has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe." Christ is in essence the mind of God. This Christ was sent to Mary so that she would give birth to a child. This child would grow up, as the bible mentions "filled with wisdom, and the grace of God was upon him."

About Jesus and God being one is wrong. Not because "I have the right" answer but because that's what the Bible is really saying. Of course it's not "just that you don't believe in it". It's because most people don't make sense of it.

And Jesus did indeed go to hell. Acts 2 "23This man [Jesus] was handed over to you by God's set purpose and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men,[d] put him to death by nailing him to the cross. 24But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the AGONY OF DEATH because it was impossible for DEATH to keep its hold on him."

Then again Hebrews 2 "Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— 15and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death."

Other versions mention hell instead of death.

Ahnimus wrote:

Here is the original video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czhRLNzjL08

My apologies, scriptures were taken from Genesis, KJV.

This guy mentioned that the Torah is the "LAW" for both the Jews and Christians. That is wrong. It's only the law for Jews. The New Testament clearly points that Jesus fulfilled these laws so that we no longer live by them.

Kann wrote:

Well, obviously God meant for your physical body to die. Your soul goes to heaven. But not for eternity. Because later on there is the apocalypse, another series of judgments. Then only are you truly reborn. So technically, you yourself won't live forever. Your rebornself will.

You need to understand what God's intention was in the scriptures. His intention was not for our physical bodies to die. Death came about because of sin. Sin originated from a lie, or as one man put it, a false identity. If our souls go to heaven they go eternally to heaven. And that's it. I'm not sure where you're getting the rest from. The series of judgements happen to this earth during a seven-year period, or as mentioned in Daniel, the 70 weeks that Daniel had in his dreams. So no, God did not mean for us to die. You are reading the scriptures wrong.

deadnothingbetter wrote:

You are reading the scriptures wrong.

said the Presbyterian to the Southern Baptist said to the Lutheran said to the Anglican said to the Catholic said to the Methodist said to the Seventh Day Adventist said to the Pentacostal said to the Quaker said to the Mormon said to the Dude that Thumps the Bible at Home said to the....who the fuck cares?!?!

Ahnimus wrote:

This is very interesting stuff. But I feel I must simply forget what I already know and place all of my faith into a story that even those who believe can't agree on.

And the stories, for example Noah's ark was a Sumerian story and the Cross bears a striking resemblence to the Egyptian Ankh. Not sure what to believe, if any of it. I'd like to know what gives people this strong conviction that they are right.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QQ-kvw1fYXs

striking resemblence? they are simliar sorta but striking? i dont think so.

Ahnimus wrote:

Right from the Bible check it out. There is more than one God and they do not want us to live forever.

1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

3:22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

3:19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Interesting anyway, heard this on a Caltech conference, the speaker was John Hartung

There are 3 components of God - Father, Son & Holy Spirit. It's called the Trinity. I thought you would have heard of that before...