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jeffbr wrote:If that is the place from which true change will come, then yes. My suggestion is also to vote your principle. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for an evil. Neither McCain nor Obama pay anything more than passing lip service to liberty. Since that is my only guiding principle, there is no way I could vote for either of them.
I hear ya. Though you share "IF that is the place from which true change will come ...". That is the key and the main question, what will bring about true change?"i'm a dedicated insomniac" ~ ev nyc beacon 6/220 -
If third party/independent candidates were allowed to endorse a candidate from the two party system then voting for them wont be futile anymore. It would be a FIRST step in shaking up your system.
Edit: By endorse I mean the votes they receive after the election and not before the election.0 -
I'm not opposed at all to 3rd party candidates, but supporting 3rd party candidiates for president who have no chance of winning, who are all their mid 70's in my honest opinion is utterly ridicolous.If people want to seriously
build a 3rd party, do it for the ground up.City council, County officials, State assembly, State senator, Congress etc.If these guys like Nader,Paul and Barr where really interested in 3rd party they could be actually pushing new people to run for office under a 3rd party in like local elections and other smaller elections where 3rd party candidates have a chance of winning.Instead they run for president, which is fricking stupid.My question for nader supporters is, would Nader have a bigger impact running for congress where he can actually have some chance to make a differance, or run for presdient where he just gets 0.5 percent of the vote.0 -
long red wrote:it's like choosing between cold shit and warm shit.
i'd prefer not to be given either.
No no, its like choosing between a douche and a turd sandwich.0 -
I have stood by my principles my whole life.I have volunteered for local campaigns and volunteered in my community for years.There's a differance between standing by Principles and being cynical for the sake of being cynical.0
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It's also ironic when Ron Paul supporters have give Obama supporters lectures on standing on principles.What the hell has Ron Paul done that has been so significant?0
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Sadly, I have to conform to the lame rhetoric that Obama is our savior, due to the fact that a Republican controlled White House with McCain and Palin would be absolutely terrible.
Considering the fact that there just simply hasn't been enough time to TRULY build a strong campaign for Nader (though I do commend him for getting on 45 states, very nice job!), I just think it's too soon to work on third party candidates. The only choice we have is to vote Obama in and lobby the fucking shit out of him so that he can change his shitty policies, and start REAL work. Biden can go fuck himself, by the way.0 -
i read somewhere today that now even the rebublics her own people are scared about if something happen to mccain she will be americans no 1
so what vote for obama ...0 -
I Think Not!!!!!The bus came by and I got on!!!!!0
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battan1120 wrote:I Think Not!!!!!
I think so ... maybe not on your watch, though I have heard this from staunch republicans myself."i'm a dedicated insomniac" ~ ev nyc beacon 6/220 -
_outlaw wrote:Sadly, I have to conform to the lame rhetoric that Obama is our savior, due to the fact that a Republican controlled White House with McCain and Palin would be absolutely terrible.
Considering the fact that there just simply hasn't been enough time to TRULY build a strong campaign for Nader (though I do commend him for getting on 45 states, very nice job!), I just think it's too soon to work on third party candidates. The only choice we have is to vote Obama in and lobby the fucking shit out of him so that he can change his shitty policies, and start REAL work. Biden can go fuck himself, by the way.
Thank you Outlaw! Though I don't agree with all you share I agree with the majority. ; >
I don't think any one of us should look at Obama as our savior, that is insanity. Let's get off the savior kick and look at the reality factor of what is happening to our country and what can possibly be done so it doesn't go to hell and a continued bush basket. What's the vision to get a balanced system again? I would love to vote for Nader, but no go this time around ... I agree with what you shared on this.
No one can do it alone! We are all on this crazy earth together so let's start to figure it out.
I'm all for capitalism, how about capitalism with care? Sounds to pansy? To me anymore it is about consciousness. Being rich is a consciousness, being poor is a consciousness, there are all sorts of "learned helplessness" issues abound mixed with "learned entitlement issues" ... I don't have all the answers nor am judging either. There's frickin' room for it all, though how do we keep things in balance?!? That's my position. Ya can't please everyone, though ya can't screw um' blind either.
I think the best choice in this election, in this convoluted complicated system is Obama. He isn't a savior. He's a man that may get eaten alive in all this. He needs to be supported and held to what is possible at this time. That is gonna take a conscious part by all of us, each individual on all government levels.
I think and feel that McCain's choice of VP is systematically disgusting. That woman is semi unconscious if not more so, and will be the biggest puppet, making even Bush look good if granted the opportunity. Does anyone want this? I'd rather take a leap into the unknown with Obama, then the foreshadowed future with McCain & his puppet mistress.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/politics/14palin.html?partner=rssyahoo&emc=rss
http://womenagainstsarahpalin.blogspot.com/
I don't have kids, love um though can't have um' ... I worry about the future of this country, the debt, the war, our initial freedoms. Yesterday I spent the better part of the day researching and refreshing prominent folks in the White House and occurrences over the last 15+ years.
We are "frickin' f*cked" if McCain & Palin get in, that is my truest and unhumblest opinion.
I've said enough over the last 24 hours on this so I'll shut it ...
Just vote folks, look at the issues, research, educate yourselves, and vote. Make sure your friends are registered as well. We get a choice in the matter, let's use this privilege, wisely."i'm a dedicated insomniac" ~ ev nyc beacon 6/220 -
jdr3777 wrote:It's also ironic when Ron Paul supporters have give Obama supporters lectures on standing on principles.What the hell has Ron Paul done that has been so significant?
What has he done? He's been a congressman who has voted his principles for years and years. He does not vote along party lines. He does not vote to try to win popularity contests. He is the epitomy of principled, and every one of his actions is a demonstration of this. So he certainly has the moral authority to lecture Obama on principles. You remember Obama voting to extend the Patriot Act, right?"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
jdr3777 wrote:I have stood by my principles my whole life.I have volunteered for local campaigns and volunteered in my community for years.There's a differance between standing by Principles and being cynical for the sake of being cynical.
Based on this post and your post that followed this one, I'm note entirely sure you understand what principles are. You sound activist and involved, and that's great. Kudos for that. I think that's a good start."I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
ladygooddiva wrote:do the right think in november and give your vote obama
not mccain ..first i was not sure but now mccain is so republic and
this palin come on women if you do not wanna loose the choice
don not vote mccain
see what she did in alasca!!!
and the program damn the rich gets richer again
and the poor no go
and aids will spread more with their program
STFU. Don't tell us how to vote over here.BORGATA>VIC0 -
SpreadtheJAM wrote:STFU. Don't tell us how to vote over here.
Well then, diplomacy obviously is not your forte. Nor is a future in international relations. : )"i'm a dedicated insomniac" ~ ev nyc beacon 6/220 -
SpreadtheJAM wrote:STFU. Don't tell us how to vote over here.
but this case is different now !!!!!!
well two elections for the wrong is enough ....
and we saw how all end ...in some cases
so please as i say it again
vote but please for all gods not mccain /palin0 -
ladygooddiva wrote:do the right think in november and give your vote obama
not mccain ..first i was not sure but now mccain is so republic and
this palin come on women if you do not wanna loose the choice
don not vote mccain
see what she did in alasca!!!
and the program damn the rich gets richer again
and the poor no go
and aids will spread more with their program
How about I don't tell you who to vote for in Germany and Spain and you return the favor?
Aids will spread more???? WTF???hippiemom = goodness0 -
ForestBrain wrote:What if I don't want to vote for either? Both choices suck and I will take no part in it.
This is how I feel, too. I don't know what to do!I really screwed that up. I really Schruted it.0
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