Did the U.S defeat Hitlers Germany?

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    dunkman1974 wrote:
    yes i'm nit-picking but i dont give a fuck... there is more to the UK than just England... as great and informative as this thread is, this really is quite ignorant, and its a common Americanism to just say England when they mean Britain

    I know Ahnimus and Jammin are pretty clever fuckers and probably didnt realise but England didnt fight in WW1 or WW2 it was the British Forces who fought...

    sorry..... it just fucks me off

    That's true. And the best bit of the film 'The Longest day' is at the end when the Scottish fella appears playing the bagpipes as they head off inland from the Beach head.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    dunkman1974 wrote:
    yes i'm nit-picking but i dont give a fuck... there is more to the UK than just England... as great and informative as this thread is, this really is quite ignorant, and its a common Americanism to just say England when they mean Britain

    I know Ahnimus and Jammin are pretty clever fuckers and probably didnt realise but England didnt fight in WW1 or WW2 it was the British Forces who fought...

    sorry..... it just fucks me off

    That part of the world confuses me. I know it was the Brittish Royal Navy that was hitting the German's hard at sea. I was just saying that by the time the U.S. got involved Germany had done a number on the existing Allies. In other words, they were losing the war. I don't think America 'won' the war although the paratroopers were a great asset.
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  • mrwalkerb
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    sponger wrote:
    As far as I'm concerned, Tom Hanks won WWII. Until they make a movie as awesome as SPR to honor someone else, that's just the way things are gonna stand.

    dude do yourself a favor this weekend and rent Band of Brothers, it's like SPR only ten hours and where SPR is kind of shitty this one is kind of awesome
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  • OutOfBreath
    OutOfBreath Posts: 1,804
    sponger wrote:
    ...and let's not forget pumping the female players full of steroids so that they start growing beards.
    Yeah. why didn't they just try to pull what the germans tried in the 36 Berlin olympics by running men in the women's classes. they did for at least one discipline, and he didn't achieve more than an 8th place :D Or do as the chinese and put those kids in training camps at age 2 so they can win when they're 16.

    Anyways.

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    mrwalkerb wrote:
    dude do yourself a favor this weekend and rent Band of Brothers, it's like SPR only ten hours and where SPR is kind of shitty this one is kind of awesome

    It is awesome. I have the collection on DVD.
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  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    I agree that BOB > SPR. I was gonna say "Capt. Dick Winters", but he's a real guy...wouldn't have been as funny, IMO. And no one knows the name of the guy who played him. Tom Hanks was the best I could do.
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    sponger wrote:
    . I certainly did not learn that in High School here in the states. I didn't major in History in college, so I don't know if they teach that at the collegiate level or what.

    Just as you guys would learn about the civil war in the US, we learn about WW2 as it had such an impact on us (and is contemporary) in both primary and secondary schools. We are probably just as ignorant of the deeper facts of the american revolution!
    sponger wrote:
    So, that's why the US did save your guy's asses,

    I think what rubs us the wrong way is that the US think they did it on their own. It would be like the french saying that Lafayette, Rochambeau and Grasse (and their troops) 'won' the revolution for the americans by defeating the British and therefore if it hadn't been for them, the americans would not have gained their independence and would be speaking 'the Queen's english'.. Preposterous, isn't it? (We all know it was Mel Gibson! :D)
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    .. would be drinking vodka .

    mmm... Vodka.... :D
  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    redrock wrote:
    I think what rubs us the wrong way is that the US think they did it on their own. It would be like the french saying that Lafayette, Rochambeau and Grasse (and their troops) 'won' the revolution for the americans by defeating the British and therefore if it hadn't been for them, the americans would not have gained their independence and would be speaking 'the Queen's english'.. Preposterous, isn't it? (We all know it was Mel Gibson! :D)


    I think that is a disproportionate comparison. What you're saying is that the contribution that the French made in the Revolutionary War = US contribution in WWII. I just have to disagree with that for some reason.

    I don't see why it's so hard for the British to admit that the US kicked the most ass out of all the allies in WWII. We're a larger country with more people and more resources. No one is saying that we're braver or stronger per person. It's just that we make more babies and guns. Big deal.

    It's the same reason why the North beat the south in the US civil war. The north had the factories and the man power. No one in the US ever says one side fought better than the other. Even though southerners are inbred hicks, they didn't really lose for that reason. It's just that an abundant source of cotton doesn't do a whole lot for an army. I'm only kidding about the inbreeding, btw. Luckily, the bible does not condone inbreeding. ;)
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    sponger wrote:
    I think that is a disproportionate comparison. What you're saying is that the contribution that the French made in the Revolutionary War = US contribution in WWII. I just have to disagree with that for some reason.

    No.. different wars, different times, different proportions... though with Rochambeau's troops and Grasse's fleet, the final push was given! I could stop here and claim 'victory' or I could add that obviously George Washington & his men, the patriots, the american people were all there and all had valuable roles in getting rid of the 'threat' - all relied one upon another (This could be a discussion for another thread... NOT!!!!)

    What I'm saying is that the type of comment that started this thread is patronizing. disrespectful and totally disregards the actions and contributions of all the other countries involved. A big ego trip in a way... Lots of men, women and children lost their lives on all fronts. And, just like in the American revolution (yep... that comparison again!), all needed each other to achieve their goal.

    Very briefly, in answer to the question 'Did the US defeat Hitler's Germany?' No.. a coalition of countries defeated Hitler's army.

    Also, to respond to the comment 'You should be thanking our Grandparents that you aren't speaking German right now'...
    I thank my mother who was in the maquis, I thank my grandfather who was killed by the nazis and I thank all the others who helped fight for their freedom in this global conflict (whoever their 'enemi' might have been.. japanese, german, etc.)
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    sponger wrote:
    I don't see why it's so hard for the British to admit that the US kicked the most ass out of all the allies in WWII.

    because you didnt... the Russians did.. sheer overwhelming number of men was their weapon, they killed more germans than the US and other Euro Allies put together... thats why we dont admit it :)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    sponger wrote:
    II don't see why it's so hard for the British to admit that the US kicked the most ass out of all the allies in WWII.

    Because you didn't. And that's a fact. So why do you expect the British to accept a lie?

    Edit: Dunk beat me to it.
  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    sponger wrote:
    Luckily, the bible does not condone inbreeding. ;)


    if Cain and Abel were the only two sons of the only 2 people god 'made' then how did they populate the earth? ;)

    so i believe the bible does condone inbreeding but thats a whole other thread :D
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    dunkman1974 wrote:
    if Cain and Abel were the only two sons of the only 2 people god 'made' then how did they populate the earth? ;)

    so i believe the bible does condone inbreeding but thats a whole other thread :D

    Please.. NOOOOOO.. not another bible thread!!!!!
  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    I think the US could've done it on its own. We just let you guys join along so that you could look back on it one day and feel like you actually had a role. If the US wanted to, it could've won the war with one hand tied around its back. In fact, it could've just randomly picked one of its states and ordered it to go win the war while the other 47 states watched from the sidelines.

    Honestly, no one is saying you guys didn't fight. We're just saying that there's no way it is even remotely possible that you guys would be a free country had it not been for the fact that the US is a gigantic and violent country that just so happens to speak the english language.

    But, obviously, when someone says, "...grandparents...speaking german..," it is a bit on the arrogant and thoughtless side. But, truly ignorant? I would think not. If you still think it's ignorant, then something just as ignorant is ignoring everything I've said above.
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  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    dunkman1974 wrote:
    because you didnt... the Russians did.. sheer overwhelming number of men was their weapon, they killed more germans than the US and other Euro Allies put together... thats why we dont admit it :)


    I don't consider the russians to be a part of the allies. They technically were, but, ideologically, they were not. They were out for themselves and they screwed everyone that got in their path. Like I said, everyone who was "liberated" by the Russians would probably choke on their own vomit upon hearing the Russians being referred to as part of the "allies."
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    sponger wrote:
    They technically were

    enough said... any historian will tell you the same
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    historians...blah..what do they really know? They just want to showboat all their pretty facts that they learned from a textbook. Slide on the technicality all you want. You do so the under the luxury of american-proected freedom.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    dunkman1974 wrote:
    if Cain and Abel were the only two sons of the only 2 people god 'made' then how did they populate the earth? ;)

    so i believe the bible does condone inbreeding but thats a whole other thread :D

    oh dunk how could you get that so wrong?
    adam and eve had three sons. after cain slew abel seth was born. cain was booted out into the land of nod and there he met his wife. it's not that adam and eve were the only people, it's that they were the first.
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    sponger wrote:
    Honestly, no one is saying you guys didn't fight. We're just saying that there's no way it is even remotely possible that you guys would be a free country had it not been for the fact that the US is a gigantic and violent country that just so happens to speak the english language.

    i'm betting 99% of all credible authorities on military history will tell you that you're talking pish.... the allies would have won it regardless of US involvement... might have taken 2 years longer but we'd have won it...

    america was just the substitute who scored the last minute penalty... wait until we had played the whole game, extra time included, before sending in some fresh legs to finish the game off... but those tired legs of ours would have done it regardless, you just helped... i repeat... helped... us to end it quicker
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    I sparked this thread and I haven't even chimed in yet.

    I stand by my original statement. It is the truth.

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