Credible People Who Say 911 Was An Inside Job: CIA Agents, Foreign Presidents, Etc

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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Coming back to life wrote:
    So-called credible people say smoking isn't bad for you and isn't addictive according to the tobacco industry. All a loada bollocks.

    way to throw that relevant argument up for dissection.

    got anything else to say?
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  • Coming back to life
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    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    way to throw that relevant argument up for dissection.

    got anything else to say?

    The bottom line is, EVERY ARGUMENT IN THE WORLD has "credible people" to back it up. Does not make it true. I suppose there aren't any credible people who have said 9/11 was Al-Qaeda right? Why does one side of the government only need "credible people" to back it up and not the other?

    That's the 9/11 conspiracies for you in a nutshell - all based on ifs and buts, always have been always will be.

    And I suppose 7/7 was MI6...
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Coming back to life wrote:
    And I suppose 7/7 was MI6...

    exact same stations at the exact same times
    less there be confusion, let him repeat it

    I wish i could post the We Are Change:UK confrontation with Peter Power, but it has been pulled off Youtube. I have an email in asking them what is going on.

    You must really believe in some very strange coincidences to think that this is just happenstance.

    All the countries in the world, all the days of the year, all the years, all the places ... this guy runs a drill in two tube stations at the same damn time as real bombs.

    Hell, i'd almost belive it, except for the very fact that the We Are Change kids approached and asked him some "innocent" questions about it and he literally "ran" away ... like a fraidy cat.

    I mean, if you have nothing to hide, don't you just stick around for 2 minutes to address the allegations and make them look like idiots? Do you really grab your briefcase, start looking all paranoid, and then walk away fast and not even speaking as you are asked questions?
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  • Coming back to life
    Coming back to life Posts: 401
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    exact same stations at the exact same times
    less there be confusion, let him repeat it

    I wish i could post the We Are Change:UK confrontation with Peter Power, but it has been pulled off Youtube. I have an email in asking them what is going on.

    You must really believe in some very strange coincidences to think that this is just happenstance.

    All the countries in the world, all the days of the year, all the years, all the places ... this guy runs a drill in two tube stations at the same damn time as real bombs.

    Hell, i'd almost belive it, except for the very fact that the We Are Change kids approached and asked him some "innocent" questions about it and he literally "ran" away ... like a fraidy cat.

    I mean, if you have nothing to hide, don't you just stick around for 2 minutes to address the allegations and make them look like idiots? Do you really grab your briefcase, start looking all paranoid, and then walk away fast and not even speaking as you are asked questions?

    So basically , Al-Qaeda doesn't exist and the only people who can do wrong have white or black skin and are none-Muslim. Ace.
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  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Coming back to life wrote:
    So basically , Al-Qaeda doesn't exist and the only people who can do wrong have white or black skin and are none-Muslim. Ace.
    alex jones really has brainwashed some american youth. :(
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Here is a question for you.

    How come in both 911 and 7/7 the terrorists implicated in the events are also implicated as being trained by the respective intelligence authorities of those countries?

    At least 3 or more of the 911 hijackers are acknowledged at having trained at US Army training facilities.
    Why?

    The ORGANIZER of the 7/7 bombings is a MI6 Double Agent. That is FOX NEWS sourced.

    How come these terrorist attacks ONLY occur with KNOWN GOVERNMENT INFORMANT involvement.
    1993 WTC Bombing Initiated By GOVERNMENT INFORMANT who was GIVEN EXPLOSIVES BY THE FBI

    So i'm just curious,
    is there EVER a terrorist even that occurs with REGULAR OLD TERRORISTS? Or are ALL terrorists always directly connected to intelligence agencies.

    Ask yourself if that makes sense,
    and ask your self if, given that the government\intelligence was INTIMATELY aware of ALL of these "terrorists", why then did the events still occur?

    What sense does any of that make?

    ??? rolleyes ???
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    alex jones really has brainwashed some american youth. :(

    The Western governments sure seem to be in bed, hot and heavy, with terrorists.

    Read my above post.

    Care to answer why in all three of these major "terrorist" bombing, the implicated terrorists ALWAYS turn up to be directly connected to government intelligence.

    So i will ask again,
    do ONLY known government informants carry out terrorist attacks?

    Do regular old towel heads, ones that aren't on the payroll of the CIA\MI6, ever carry out bombings? Or is it only the high profile cases where the government has to help out?

    It's pretty pathetic.

    [and still no response on the 7/7 "Terror Drills" that defy all probabilities and statistics in their "precisely" coincidental overlap with real bombings]
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Here is a question for you.

    How come in both 911 and 7/7 the terrorists implicated in the events are also implicated as being trained by the respective intelligence authorities of those countries?

    At least 3 or more of the 911 hijackers are acknowledged at having trained at US Army training facilities.
    Why?

    The ORGANIZER of the 7/7 bombings is a MI6 Double Agent. That is FOX NEWS sourced.

    How come these terrorist attacks ONLY occur with KNOWN GOVERNMENT INFORMANT involvement.
    1993 WTC Bombing Initiated By GOVERNMENT INFORMANT who was GIVEN EXPLOSIVES BY THE FBI

    So i'm just curious,
    is there EVER a terrorist even that occurs with REGULAR OLD TERRORISTS? Or are ALL terrorists always directly connected to intelligence agencies.

    Ask yourself if that makes sense,
    and ask your self if, given that the government\intelligence was INTIMATELY aware of ALL of these "terrorists", why then did the events still occur?

    What sense does any of that make?

    ??? rolleyes ???

    Here is ANOTHER instance of "INFORMANTS" carrying out attacks.

    First 2-5 minutes of AJ's "Terrorstorm" ... Bombings in Spain admittedly linked to "INFORMANTS" and NOT Al Queda.

    Why?
    ALWAYS it is INFORMANTS.
    NEVER just regular old terrorists.
    ?

    Same movie, at the 9:30 mark ... former member of Blairs own CABINET says it was a "convenient" way to rally support behind the PM ... also just before that, a former MI5 agent who was imprisoned for leaking the truth ...

    Again, here we have "credible" people ... people INSIDE the system, who say the system is corrupt and running government based on filling the people with fear.

    Hmm.

    Listen to the last 2 or 3 minutes of the clip.
    The MI5 agent was jailed. Why?
    Because he released evidence showing that MI6 was actualy involved in FUNDING AL QAEDA to kill muammar gaddafi ... hmm ... MI6 distributed over 250 weapons to help Al Quaeda BLOW UP a government Leader[/url]?

    No.
    Say it ain't so.

    Why would western governments fund Al Qaeda.
    :rolleyes:
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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    bump.
    look up.
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  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    you really need a break from the internet.
  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    you really need a break from the internet.

    good come back.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    even flow? wrote:
    I think that all the 911 conspiracy nuts are nuts, BUT I think that the plane over Penn was shot down and that is the only thing the government is lying about.

    Then you're perfectly comfortable with 'N.O.R.A.D' - America's air defence system failing for the first time that year after over 100 previous routine scramblings? Just a coincidence was it? Was it also a coincidence that Dick Cheney had just been placed in charge of Norad before 9/11?
    Also, please explain to me how and why building 7 collapsed?
    In fact, whilst you're at it...give 'The New Pearl Harbour' a read and then fill in the blanks for me, coz I'm stumped.
  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Here is ANOTHER instance of "INFORMANTS" carrying out attacks.

    First 2-5 minutes of AJ's "Terrorstorm" ... Bombings in Spain admittedly linked to "INFORMANTS" and NOT Al Queda.

    Why?
    ALWAYS it is INFORMANTS.
    NEVER just regular old terrorists.
    ?

    Same movie, at the 9:30 mark ... former member of Blairs own CABINET says it was a "convenient" way to rally support behind the PM ... also just before that, a former MI5 agent who was imprisoned for leaking the truth ...

    Again, here we have "credible" people ... people INSIDE the system, who say the system is corrupt and running government based on filling the people with fear.

    Hmm.

    Listen to the last 2 or 3 minutes of the clip.
    The MI5 agent was jailed. Why?
    Because he released evidence showing that MI6 was actualy involved in FUNDING AL QAEDA to kill muammar gaddafi ... hmm ... MI6 distributed over 250 weapons to help Al Quaeda BLOW UP a government Leader[/url]?

    No.
    Say it ain't so.

    Why would western governments fund Al Qaeda.
    :rolleyes:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Then you're perfectly comfortable with 'N.O.R.A.D' - America's air defence system failing for the first time that year after over 100 previous routine scramblings? Just a coincidence was it? Was it also a coincidence that Dick Cheney had just been placed in charge of Norad before 9/11?
    Also, please explain to me how and why building 7 collapsed?
    In fact, whilst you're at it...give 'The New Pearl Harbour' a read and then fill in the blanks for me, coz I'm stumped.


    all you both are doing are asking questions that have no answers. usually to prove a conspiracy one would need those answers. there may very well be logical reasons your questions, drifitininthestorm. bottom line is you just don't know. and you need to chill out on the websites. any fool with a little html skills can put anything they want on the net. just because its on the www doesnt automatically make it true. for me, it's common sense that our intelligence agencies are involved with Al Quaeda.

    and norad stuff? yup, we fell asleep at the wheel. we were never attacked on our mainland prior to 911. airplanes were never used as missles. all the training in the world didnt prepare us for what happen that day. Al Quaeda won the battle, America lost that day.
  • catefrances
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    Byrnzie wrote:
    Also, please explain to me how and why building 7 collapsed?

    shock? destabilised by the collapse of those almighty buildings? how close was B7 to the towers anyway?
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  • Flannel Shirt
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    JD Sal wrote:

    a) the sheer number of people involved to pull off 9/11 would be far greater than that of planting WMDs. Thus, keeping the information quiet would be far more difficult. People involved would include the terrorists (or those pesky actors or whoever they were that we hired to fly the planes), the CIA, FBI, Justice Dept, NY Police, etc, etc. Do you think 5-10 people in the Bush administration planned and pulled off 9/11? There would have been thousands of people involved. And all of them were for this plan to fly planes into the trade centers. No one felt bad about it and tried to come forward. No trace of evidence at all. Not an email, a phone call, or something proving the conspiracy, or at the very least, substantiating it in some way, shape, or form? How was all this communication accomplished in the months or years it took to plan 9/11 and no evidence has surfaced?
    This is an argument I see often.

    It has only been 6 years and everyones attention was immediately diverted to Iraq. If this is all true, something will come out. The only place I ever see these facts questioned is on the internet. Never in a newpaper, on the news, etc. I would bet that 99% of Americans don't even think about the possibility of an inside job.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
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    lazymoon13 wrote:
    you really need a break from the internet.

    cough...jlew....cough...
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  • Byrnzie
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    lazymoon13 wrote:
    and norad stuff? yup, we fell asleep at the wheel. we were never attacked on our mainland prior to 911. airplanes were never used as missles. all the training in the world didnt prepare us for what happen that day.

    Sorry Jlew, but that just doesn't wash. The air force was trained to deal with hijacked airliners, and were in fact engaged in an exercise on the morning of 9/11 with that very same scenario in mind. They had scrambled planes over 100 times already that same year when reported hijackings turned out to be false alarms. This was standard, routine operational behaviour. Although on the morning of 9/11, and for the first time that year, it failed.

    America's air defense didn't just 'fall asleep at the wheel'.
    And I suppose you can explain every other anomaly surrounding 9/11 aswell?

    Meanwhile, here are some more questions for ya..

    Did U.S officials have advance information about 9/11?
    Did U.S officials obstruct investigations prior to 9/11?
    Was the collapse of the World Trade Center towers most likely caused by explosives placed throughout the towers?
    Was 9/11 funded by leading members of the Pakistani Government?
    Did U.S officials have reasons for allowing 9/11?
    Did U.S officials block the arrest of suspects and investigations after 9/11?

    The answer to all of these is Yes.

    Also. why has the Bush Administration prevented an independent inquiry into 9/11? What do they have to hide?

    You should get away from your t.v set for a while Jlew and try doing some reading. I recommend this for starters: http://www.amazon.com/review/product/1566565529/ref=cm_cr_dp_synop?%5Fencoding=UTF8&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending#R3OGRFOXKUS45W
  • lazymoon13
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    Byrnzie wrote:
    Sorry Jlew, but that just doesn't wash. The air force was trained to deal with hijacked airliners, and were in fact engaged in an exercise on the morning of 9/11 with that very same scenario in mind. They had scrambled planes over 100 times already that same year when reported hijackings turned out to be false alarms. This was standard, routine operational behaviour. Although on the morning of 9/11, and for the first time that year, it failed.
    there is a big difference between hypothetical exercises and the real thing.
    Byrnzie wrote:
    America's air defense didn't just 'fall asleep at the wheel'.
    why? because you say so? sorry thats not good enough.


    Byrnzie wrote:
    Did U.S officials have advance information about 9/11?
    they had bits and pieces, yes. did you know prior to 9/11 the fbi and cia didn't even communcate with each other?
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Did U.S officials obstruct investigations prior to 9/11?
    well if you found this info on the net then it must be true.
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Was the collapse of the World Trade Center towers most likely caused by explosives placed throughout the towers?
    um no. don't tell me you are one of the nutjobs who actually believe in the planted bombs theory. say it aint so. fyi, the likely cause of the collapse was the two jumbo fucking planes that flew into them.
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Was 9/11 funded by leading members of the Pakistani Government?
    partly funded, probably. its nearly impossible to trust anyone over there.
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Did U.S officials have reasons for allowing 9/11?
    no, you can make up any reason you want and call it fact I guess.
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Did U.S officials block the arrest of suspects and investigations after 9/11?
    if it's on the internet it must be true.
    Byrnzie wrote:
    The answer to all of these is Yes.
    if you say so. :rolleyes:
  • DriftingByTheStorm
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    Flannel Shirt wrote:
    I would bet that 99% of Americans don't even think about the possibility of an inside job.

    You would be about as wrong as can be.

    2004 Zogby poll Over half of those polled believe the US Government had foreknowledge and "consciously failed to act" ... and that was 2004 ... not exactly the height of 911 Truth movement discoveries.

    CBS \ NYTimes 2006 Poll
    83% of those polled believe the Government is being dishonest about 911 -
    53% -- "Bush administration is hiding something"
    28% -- say they are flat out "LYING"


    Zogby 9/6/2007 Poll:
    Zogby Poll: 51% of Americans Want Congress to Probe Bush/Cheney Regarding 9/11 Attacks; Over 30% Seek Immediate Impeachment

    --67% also fault 9/11 Commission for not investigating anomalous collapse of World Trade Center 7


    Not exactly 99% don't even think about it.
    What were you saying again?
    :cool:
    Lazymoon13 wrote:
    all you both are doing are asking questions that have no answers. usually to prove a conspiracy one would need those answers. there may very well be logical reasons your questions, drifitininthestorm. bottom line is you just don't know. and you need to chill out on the websites. any fool with a little html skills can put anything they want on the net. just because its on the www doesnt automatically make it true. for me, it's common sense that our intelligence agencies are involved with Al Quaeda.

    Wow. Talk about a dishonest reply.
    Just because it is on the WWW doesn't make it true?
    Dude, this shit is sourced from mainstream news &\or government documents.
    This shit is documented. Known government informants\intelligence assets have been involved in every major terrorist bombing in recent history.

    How come bad things only happen involving people that the government is paying for information\supplying with bomb materials\or otherwise intimately aware of and tracking?

    It doesn't make any fucking sense.
    We never catch them, but we are always in bed with them.
    And your only response\excuse is to either deny that it is true, because it was "posted" on the internet (even though it is sourced through mainstream news\government documents) or to say that "of course" we are invovled with Al Qaeda.

    Well OF COURSE!
    :cool:
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  • lazymoon13
    lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

    Wow. Talk about a dishonest reply.
    Just because it is on the WWW doesn't make it true?
    Dude, this shit is sourced from mainstream news &\or government documents.
    This shit is documented. Known government informants\intelligence assets have been involved in every major terrorist bombing in recent history.

    How come bad things only happen involving people that the government is paying for information\supplying with bomb materials\or otherwise intimately aware of and tracking?

    It doesn't make any fucking sense.
    We never catch them, but we are always in bed with them.
    And your only response\excuse is to either deny that it is true, because it was "posted" on the internet (even though it is sourced through mainstream news\government documents) or to say that "of course" we are invovled with Al Qaeda.

    Well OF COURSE!
    :cool:

    you are asking a question that has no answer. is it obvious that our intelligence agencies try to infiltrate terrorist organizations. that much we know. you take it too many steps further and assume we are working with them to attack innocent americans.

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