Credible People Who Say 911 Was An Inside Job: CIA Agents, Foreign Presidents, Etc

RolandTD20Kdrummer

what would jlew have to say I wonder...hmm

Byrnzie

lazymoon13 wrote:

there is a big difference between hypothetical exercises and the real thing.

Yup:

lazymoon13 wrote:

yup, we fell asleep at the wheel

lazymoon13 wrote:

why? because you say so? sorry thats not good enough.

No, because the facts say so.

lazymoon13 wrote:

they had bits and pieces, yes.

Including one document, which was in the hands of Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld e.t.c, entitled 'Al qaeda's present threat to America', or 'Al qaeda's current threat to America'. The subject was brought up at the 9/11 commission hearings and Condoleeza Rice brushed it under the carpet.

lazymoon13 wrote:

well if you found this info on the net then it must be true.

Was there an independent inquiry? No. Was the investigation hindered by the Bush Administration? Yep. Doesn't need to be on the internet. This is common knowledge.

lazymoon13 wrote:

um no. don't tell me you are one of the nutjobs who actually believe in the planted bombs theory. say it aint so. fyi, the likely cause of the collapse was the two jumbo fucking planes that flew into them.

Funny that. I watched footage - Zeitgeist - the other day showing construction experts, and demolition experts stating categorically that all the evidence from the twin towers - the angle of separation of the steel beams, signs of molten meta,l e.t.c, points to a controlled demolition. But then, what do I know? You're obviously an expert on these things.

lazymoon13 wrote:

partly funded, probably. its nearly impossible to trust anyone over there.

It's not about trusting those unreliable brown skinned people. The evidence for Pakistani funding and links to the C.I.A was discovered closer to home.

lazymoon13 wrote:

no, you can make up any reason you want and call it fact I guess.

So the Bush administration didn't have any reason for allowing 9/11? Have you been in hibernation for the past 7 years?

lazymoon13 wrote:

if it's on the internet it must be true.

As opposed to the mainstream media, right?

DriftingByTheStorm

lazymoon13 wrote:

you take it too many steps further and assume we are working with them to attack innocent americans.

What do you call it when in 1993 our FBI officials literally hand an informant working explosive devices and say "hey, go give these to your terrorist buddies and have them blow up the World Trade Center",
and then that same informant claims that a FBI top official "screwed up" the chances of stopping those terrorists?

Are we just that incompetent?
Really?
We GAVE terrorists a bomb,
and then failed to stop the plot?

PUH LEASE!

RolandTD20Kdrummer

here catch!...(careful it explodes)

Coming back to life

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Here is a question for you.

How come in both 911 and 7/7 the terrorists implicated in the events are also implicated as being trained by the respective intelligence authorities of those countries?

At least 3 or more of the 911 hijackers are acknowledged at having trained at US Army training facilities.
Why?

The ORGANIZER of the 7/7 bombings is a MI6 Double Agent. That is FOX NEWS sourced.

How come these terrorist attacks ONLY occur with KNOWN GOVERNMENT INFORMANT involvement.
1993 WTC Bombing Initiated By GOVERNMENT INFORMANT who was GIVEN EXPLOSIVES BY THE FBI

So i'm just curious,
is there EVER a terrorist even that occurs with REGULAR OLD TERRORISTS? Or are ALL terrorists always directly connected to intelligence agencies.

Ask yourself if that makes sense,
and ask your self if, given that the government\intelligence was INTIMATELY aware of ALL of these "terrorists", why then did the events still occur?

What sense does any of that make?

??? rolleyes ???

My issue isn't with whether there was government involvement in either, although I believe there wasn't. I am open to the possibility that individuals associated with the government/government agencies may or may not have been involved. And of course, no-one denies obl himself was trained by the CIA. My issue is with most of the people who believe these conspiracy theories and the reason most people who believe them do so - that muslims can do no wrong and anything bad must have infidels behind it.

As for the other poster I have no idea who Alex Jones is, or what my post has to do with American youth. I'm English and I find Yanks on both sides of the political divide arrogant.

DriftingByTheStorm

Coming back to life wrote:

My issue is with most of the people who believe these conspiracy theories and the reason most people who believe them do so - that muslims can do no wrong and anything bad must have infidels behind it.

As for the other poster I have no idea who Alex Jones is, or what my post has to do with American youth. I'm English and I find Yanks on both sides of the political divide arrogant.

I'm not sure who you know who thinks that the CIA is behind it BECAUSE, as you say, muslims can do no wrong.

In fact i don't know ANY one who believes "911 truth" who does so because of some infalible faith in muslim extremists.

They do so because they believe, along with having seen lots of circumstantial evidence to support the theory, that Muslim extremists on a shoe string budget could not pull off a plot of the magnitude of 911 without the explicit guiding hand of US intelligence itself.

If you read some of the comments by former CIA agents themselves in my OP, you will see that their opinion is the very same.

It isn't that there aren't "bad" muslims out there that clearly have it in for the "infidels", its that you don't plow three planes in to the most restricted airspace (NY and DC) in the world without NORAD and the CIA actively working to bungle things up for our defense networks, and otherwise deliberately botching investigative efforts.

As for the Alex Jones comment, that was directed at folks like Roland and I.

AJ is a "prominent" individual in the "Liberty Movement" and "Truth Movement" ... he has a radio show out of austin,tx and he has guests on regularly to discuss conspiracy issues -- NWO, JFK, 911 ... as long as its not monsters and aliens, he's on about it. Hes got movie after movie, and he recently produced Loose Change Final Cut. His next movie is going to be about JFK, and then one about 2012 and its relation to the NWO.

Nevermind

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

I'm not sure who you know who thinks that the CIA is behind it BECAUSE, as you say, muslims can do no wrong.

In fact i don't know ANY one who believes "911 truth" who does so because of some infalible faith in muslim extremists.

They do so because they believe, along with having seen lots of circumstantial evidence to support the theory, that Muslim extremists on a shoe string budget could not pull off a plot of the magnitude of 911 without the explicit guiding hand of US intelligence itself.

If you read some of the comments by former CIA agents themselves in my OP, you will see that their opinion is the very same.

It isn't that there aren't "bad" muslims out there that clearly have it in for the "infidels", its that you don't plow three planes in to the most restricted airspace (NY and DC) in the world without NORAD and the CIA actively working to bungle things up for our defense networks, and otherwise deliberately botching investigative efforts.

As for the Alex Jones comment, that was directed at folks like Roland and I.

AJ is a "prominent" individual in the "Liberty Movement" and "Truth Movement" ... he has a radio show out of austin,tx and he has guests on regularly to discuss conspiracy issues -- NWO, JFK, 911 ... as long as its not monsters and aliens, he's on about it. Hes got movie after movie, and he recently produced Loose Change Final Cut. His next movie is going to be about JFK, and then one about 2012 and its relation to the NWO.

Any info on the 2012 movie? Ive never heard of it.

lazymoon13

AJ has destroyed so many young minds in america. so sad.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

speaking of sad...

lazymoon13

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

speaking of sad...

hehe...

omg..

DriftingByTheStorm

lazymoon13 wrote:

AJ has destroyed so many young minds in america. so sad.

you have NO idea what you are talking about.
NONE.

[see, you're not the only one who can make unsubstantiated claims. :cool:]

lazymoon13

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

you have NO idea what you are talking about.
NONE.

[see, you're not the only one who can make unsubstantiated claims. :cool:]

the guy is a brainwasher. but I'm glad guys like him are allowed to speak. in other countries he would be put in front a firing squad. nonetheless, he is an asshole who has fucked up many young innocent minds.

DriftingByTheStorm

Nevermind wrote:

Any info on the 2012 movie? Ive never heard of it.

It's NOT what you are thinking.

He has mentioned it a only a few times on his radio show.

From what little he does talk about 2012, the jist i get is this:

Basicaly AJ does NOT believe 2012 has any real INHERENT apocalyptic nature.

He does understand that the Mayan's placed significance on the date as being a shift of ages.

However from what he has said, his intended focus is going to be on how the Elite and the NWO -- being big believers in the occult and the ancient mystery religions -- are likely to USE 2012 as a convenient excuse to bring the world under their control.

I'm not sure of ANY details, except for that. He briefly discussed one day, after a caller asked about 2012, how he thought they (elite) would likely use the event to do something like release a biological weapon and cause worldwide panic and destruction ... something like that.

Other than that basic info, i'm not really sure what the film is.
He just said he has had so many people ask him about 2012 that, after he finishes this JFK movie, he is devoting time to that. He has been working on both simultaneously, and the JFK movie is coming out later this year, and the 2012 early\mid 2009.

For anyone who doubts that the elite are in to the Occult, you would be wise to pick up a copy of AJ's film on Bohemian Grove.

It is 100% UNDENIABLE. He has the fucking video of these cooks reinacting these ancient sacrificial seremonies and shit.
It is FUCKED UP!

DriftingByTheStorm

lazymoon13 wrote:

he is an asshole who has fucked up many young innocent minds.

Exactly how much Alex Jones have you actualy bothered to watch or listen to?

Because something tells me you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

The thing is EVERYTHING Alex Jones mentions, he has documents, news sources, or otherwise has evidence to validify his claims.

You, on the other hand, just talk a whole heap of unsubstantiated shit.

lazymoon13

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

Exactly how much Alex Jones have you actualy bothered to watch or listen to?

Because something tells me you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

The thing is EVERYTHING Alex Jones mentions, he has documents, news sources, or otherwise has evidence to validify his claims.

You, on the other hand, just talk a whole heap of unsubstantiated shit.

prime example #1. he has you completely brainwashed I see. I have listened to his show and read many articles from his website. he takes things too far, much like you seem to do. you (and AJ) will believe any link or article you read, but ONLY when it fits your agenda.

Commy

The Mayan calender is not the only calender to claim that 2012 is the shifting of ages. The Pagan calender, (And Christianity, egyptology, Bhuddism, Islam- by default) claim that the age of the fish is coming to an end, around that same time.

The mentioned religions cover about everyone in the world, so a belief structure that is that large could very easily be used by the elite for their ends.

DriftingByTheStorm

lazymoon13 wrote:

prime example #1. he has you completely brainwashed I see. I have listened to his show and read many articles from his website. he takes things too far, much like you seem to do. you (and AJ) will believe any link or article you read, but ONLY when it fits your agenda.

Find me something that Alex Jones has brought up, in print, radio, or video that is FACTUALY INVALID, and we will talk some more.

Until then, you are blowing smoke.

ANYTHING i have bothered to fact check that comes out of that mans mouth checks out true.

Example.
He said on his show that GM soy DNA has been found to migrate in to gut bacteria in the human stomach.

Some jerk in another thread called me a fearmonger and went on about how this was bullshit and show him some proof.

I type in "GMO DNA gut" on google and immediately come up with a research paper by the University of Newcastle which clearly states their research has found this to be true.

So.
Like i said, what he says is FACTUALY accurate.
If you wish to dispute the claim you have to then go to his source, in this case a University study and PROVE to me that the SOURCE is invalid.

Can you DISPROVE the study?

Can you find me anything that he has mentioned that is not backed by a source?

Please?

Thank you.
:cool:

RolandTD20Kdrummer

Wouldn't it be ironic to discover that with a slight genetic modification and 100 years or so of evolution, our stomach bacteria decide to change and behave differently as a consequence through generations.

The Champ

http://www.loosechange911.com/blog/

Check out the clip of Jesse the body Ventura on Opie and Anthony. Did one of you guys start this awesome blog btw? According to the author, Jesse the body schooled all these clowns in the studio, but don't be fooled again because he certainly did not. I heard the thing live in its entirety and it was hilarious on multiple levels..

DriftingByTheStorm

Former air traffic controller, Jeremy Baker, who knows the flight corridor which the two planes which hit the Twin Towers flew "like the back of my hand" and who handled two actual hijackings says that 9/11 could not have occurred as the government says, and that planes can be tracked on radar even when their transponders are turned off. interview here

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Here is a whole goddamn list of people (some mentioned above), see?

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Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, U.S. Army Reserve – Commander of Special Troops Battalion, 9th Theater Support Command. Former Chief of the Army’s Controlled HUMINT (Human Intelligence) Program, overseeing Army Intelligence and Security Command’s global controlled HUMINT efforts. A former member of the Able Danger data mining program that targeted Al Qaeda’s global structure. Awarded the Bronze Star for bravery. Fellow, Center for Advanced Defense Studies. 23-year military intelligence career.

Lt. Col. ANthony Shaffer wrote:

"Why did this operation, which was created in '99 to target Al Qaeda globally, offensively, why was that turned off in the Spring of 2001, four months before we were attacked? I can't answer that, either. I can tell you I was ordered out of the operation directly by a two-star general.

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Melvin A. Goodman, PhD – Former Division Chief and Senior Analyst at the Office of Soviet Affairs, CIA,1966 - 1990. Senior Analyst at the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, State Department, 1974 - 1976. Professor of International Security at the National War College 1986 - 2004. Currently Senior Fellow at the Center for International Policy and Adjunct Professor of Government at Johns Hopkins University. Author and co-author of several books on international relations:

Melvin Goodman wrote:

"I think the 9/11 Commission has taught me that we need to be extremely rigorous and extremely tenacious in pursuing that truth, because there is a corporate mentality in this country that is working against allowing the truth to surface, even in tragedies, such as the 9/11 tragedy. ...

I want to talk about the [9/11] Commission itself, about the flawed process of the Commission and finally about the conflict of interest within the Commission that is extremely important to understand the failure of the Commission. ...

The final report is ultimately a coverup. I don't know how else to describe it."

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Coleen Rowley – Former Special Agent and Minneapolis Division Counsel, FBI. 24-year FBI career. Agent Rowley was selected one of Time Magazine's three 2002 Persons of the Year for revealing FBI headquarters' efforts to "throw up roadblocks and undermine" FBI field investigations of Al Qaeda operatives in the four weeks prior to 9/11.

Coleen Rowley wrote:

Memo to FBI Director Robert Mueller 5/21/02: Regarding FBI headquarters (FBIHQ) obstruction of terrorism investigations. "The fact is that key FBIHQ personnel whose job it was to assist and coordinate with field division agents on terrorism investigations and the obtaining and use of FISA searches (and who theoretically were privy to many more sources of intelligence information than field division agents), continued to, almost inexplicably, throw up roadblocks and undermine Minneapolis' by-now desperate efforts to obtain a FISA search warrant, long after the French intelligence service provided its information and probable cause became clear. HQ personnel brought up almost ridiculous questions in their apparent efforts to undermine the probable cause. ...

When, in a desperate 11th hour measure to bypass the FBIHQ roadblock, the Minneapolis Division undertook to directly notify the CIA's Counter Terrorist Center (CTC), FBIHQ personnel actually chastised the Minneapolis agents for making the direct notification without their approval ...

I know I shouldn't be flippant about this, but jokes were actually made that the key FBIHQ personnel had to be spies or moles, like Robert Hansen, who were actually working for Osama Bin Laden to have so undercut Minneapolis' effort."

AND LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL POST. I ADDED MORE THERE. AS MUCH AS WOULD FIT