Obama starting to show true colors

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  • DriftingByTheStorm
    DriftingByTheStorm Posts: 8,684
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    You could always just skip McDonald's altogether. And impeach Ronald McDonald while you're at it. :p

    But if you impeach Ronald, then you're stuck with McBurgler.
    Yeah. Real smart idea.
    ;)
    If I was to smile and I held out my hand
    If I opened it now would you not understand?
  • raszputini
    raszputini Posts: 119
    Ha! McBurglar......that's really great. Cheney is the fucking McBurglar
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    raszputini wrote:
    Ha! McBurglar......that's really great. Cheney is the fucking McBurglar

    He reminds me more of Grimace...the freak that liked to steal all the McDonalds Milkshakes.

    http://www.hrwiki.org/images/b/b9/evil-grimace.jpg
  • MattyJoe
    MattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    What's wrong with offshore drilling? I seriously fail to see it. All I see are a bunch of phonies buying into the heaps of propaganda they are fed from the media every fucking day. You don't even know WHY you don't want offshore drilling.

    And then you complain about high gas prices because Exxon is "corrupt."

    I'll tell you what's fucked up, the fact that people believe in and have taken specific measures which prevent oil companies from building refineries and drilling, driving up the price of gas. And then bitch about how corrupt the oil companies are that they are making "record profits" but the price of gas is too high. They have one of the lowest profit margins of any industry. That's FAR from corruption.

    Then on top of that, they want those same oil companies to be FORCED to spend millions of dollars to develop alternative energy, which directly conflicts with their business interest of SELLING OIL.
    I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
    -Reagan
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    MattyJoe wrote:
    What's wrong with offshore drilling? I seriously fail to see it. All I see are a bunch of phonies buying into the heaps of propaganda they are fed from the media every fucking day. You don't even know WHY you don't want offshore drilling.

    And then you complain about high gas prices because Exxon is "corrupt."

    I'll tell you what's fucked up, the fact that people believe in and have taken specific measures which prevent oil companies from building refineries and drilling, driving up the price of gas. And then bitch about how corrupt the oil companies are that they are making "record profits" but the price of gas is too high. They have one of the lowest profit margins of any industry. That's FAR from corruption.

    Then on top of that, they want those same oil companies to be FORCED to spend millions of dollars to develop alternative energy, which directly conflicts with their business interest of SELLING OIL.
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=294562

    this was argued in here. if you think offshore drilling is a good idea, then you are completely mind-warped.
  • MattyJoe
    MattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    _outlaw wrote:
    http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?t=294562

    this was argued in here. if you think offshore drilling is a good idea, then you are completely mind-warped.

    Tell me clearly and concisely why you don't support it, if you're able.
    I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
    -Reagan
  • fuck
    fuck Posts: 4,069
    MattyJoe wrote:
    Tell me clearly and concisely why you don't support it, if you're able.
    I take it you didn't even click the link where I, and many others, argued it.
  • HushBull
    HushBull Posts: 996
    I knew he was black! ... :o
    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro"
  • MattyJoe
    MattyJoe Posts: 1,424
    _outlaw wrote:
    I take it you didn't even click the link where I, and many others, argued it.

    I did but there are many different viewpoints and such in that thread. It would help if you could just clearly state your position.
    I pledge to you a government that will not only work well, but wisely, its ability to act tempered by prudence, and its willingness to do good, balanced by the knowledge that government is never more dangerous than when our desire to have it help us blinds us to its great power to harm us.
    -Reagan
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    I understand that Obama is doing what he needs to do to get votes but guess what that is not change that is business as usual. He has shown that he is no different than he is advisory or predecessor. He will lie, manipulate the facts and distort the truth in order to get elected. How is that change. How is that any different than what McCain does or Bush did. When are we going to stop buying these cheap and hollowed sales pitches. Obama is an illusion. He throws the word change around enough so that people start believing it but if they took the time to look closely they would see that there is no real change. It's the same shit with a different name.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Jammin909 wrote:
    Dude I hate politics and I hate the current course we are on...people can go ahead and vote for Nadar or Paul or some "superior" third party candidate but the reality is...either McCain or Obama will be the next president. I pick Obama.

    That is the problem. Too many people have been conditioned to believe this bullshit. We DO NOT have only two choices.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    MrBrian wrote:
    As long as people keep thinking that way, then of course a Nader will never win and America will never truly move forward.

    You have to start small, the movement must grow. it takes time. every 4 years you make steps forward. not backwards.

    But most Americans don't have patience for that. They want everything to be as quick as a McDonalds Big Mac.

    *yawn*
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    mammasan wrote:
    That is the problem. Too many people have been conditioned to believe this bullshit. We DO NOT have only two choices.


    about your sig...


    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul



    if government is so evil, then why is Ron Paul a congressmen then?
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    MattyJoe wrote:
    What's wrong with offshore drilling? I seriously fail to see it. All I see are a bunch of phonies buying into the heaps of propaganda they are fed from the media every fucking day. You don't even know WHY you don't want offshore drilling.

    And then you complain about high gas prices because Exxon is "corrupt."

    I'll tell you what's fucked up, the fact that people believe in and have taken specific measures which prevent oil companies from building refineries and drilling, driving up the price of gas. And then bitch about how corrupt the oil companies are that they are making "record profits" but the price of gas is too high. They have one of the lowest profit margins of any industry. That's FAR from corruption.

    Then on top of that, they want those same oil companies to be FORCED to spend millions of dollars to develop alternative energy, which directly conflicts with their business interest of SELLING OIL.


    Best estimates is that off shore drilling in all off shore fields would yield 18 billion barrels of oil over time. Currently the US consumes a little over 20.5 million barrels of oil per day. Do the math and you will see that that is only enough oil to feed our addiction for a little over two years. Now that 18 billion barrel estimate is not what can produced each year from all of those field but what can be produced over the lifetime of those fields. So the yearly output would not be enough to even make the slightest dent in global production which is what the price per barrel is based on. Even if the amount of oil was significant best estimates is that if drilling started tomorrow we would see any impact for at least 5-7 years.

    Lastly the president and all the supporters of offshore drilling sell us the idea based on the illusion that this oil will be for the US only. That is a flat out lie. That oil will go on the market to the highest bider.

    So you have to wonder why he would be pushing such a solution when the only benefit would be to the companies that actually extract, refine and produce petroleum.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    MattyJoe wrote:
    I did but there are many different viewpoints and such in that thread. It would help if you could just clearly state your position.


    he wont, he will just provide a link
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    i support offshore wind farms too...

    the problem with america sometimes is this... everyone wants whats best, just not in their backyard. everyone wants new refineries, just not in their backyard... everyone wants more oil on the market, just dont extract it from their neighborhood...

    "i love wind power farms, just dont put the turbines on my mountain or off of my shore, put them somewhere else"
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    my2hands wrote:
    about your sig...


    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul



    if government is so evil, then why is Ron Paul a congressmen then?

    Government is necessary. Ron Paul and many like minded individuals realize that. At the same time we also realize that government has a habit of becoming corrupt. That is why government needs to be controlled and reduced and kept to a manageable size. I can't speak for Ron paul as to why he serves in our government but I can only assume that he does so in order to do what is right for the people. He can do more to return our government back to it's original intent within the confines of the constitution by working within the government that fighting it from the outside.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    mammasan wrote:
    Government is necessary. Ron Paul and many like minded individuals realize that. At the same time we also realize that government has a habit of becoming corrupt. That is why government needs to be controlled and reduced and kept to a manageable size. I can't speak for Ron paul as to why he serves in our government but I can only assume that he does so in order to do what is right for the people. He can do more to return our government back to it's original intent within the confines of the constitution by working within the government that fighting it from the outside.

    someone should tell that to Ralph Nader
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    my2hands wrote:
    someone should tell that to Ralph Nader

    I find that Nader has a noble intent and I admire that. He seems to be someone who has the public's best intent at heart but much of what he proposes would only increase the size of our government which is something that I can't support.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • chromiam
    chromiam Posts: 4,114
    Change you can believe in... change reflecting the whim of political pressure or polling numbers is more like it.
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