What is a Nation?

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  • lalalalaaaaaaaa
    lalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    I live in a neighborhood that less than a decade ago was falling to shit. Since then a large influx of South Americans and Asians have entered this community. 10 years ago there wher decrepid factories long abandoned blotting the town. Houses unkept and condemned up and down streets. Now you have new homes proping up everywhere in this town. They are building a brand new major League Soccer stadium where abandoned factories once where. new luxury townhomes are popping up. All because of the hard work that these 3rd world immigrants did. What once was a dying community is now one of the top 20 places to live in this state. I can walk out of my house and get some Fish & Chips, from the Scottish pub, or go to the Cuban resturaunt and get some Ropa Vieja, or the Brazilian Bar-B-Q resturaunt and get myself some Churrasco Misto, or even head over to the Spanish/Portuegese resturaunt for some amazing pailla. The diversity of the community is beautiful. People from all over come to the area resturaunts for the food and atmosphere. What was once a blight is now a thriving propering community which was made possible by hard working immigrants from dirt poor 3rd world countries.

    nice. where in Jersey?
  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Your version of what life should be like is scary.

    Yours is equally scary: a dirt poor third world America.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • lalalalaaaaaaaa
    lalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    I'm not arguing against Irish bars or Italian restaurants. I'm arguing in favor of "the melting pot." Too many ethnic groups segregate themselves and refuse to integrate with the rest of society. They only hangout with people from their own ethnic group. THEY'RE the racists. I want more cultural integration.

    I understand what you're saying perfectly...you just have no clue what a melting pot means.
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    You want the white man to be forced to adopt all of the other cultures but none of the other cultures should be forced to adopt anything from the white man. This is a MELTING POT. They give and I give, they take and I take. The only way that exchange can take place is if they learn english and build an attachment to this country through patriotism. White Americans DO have a culture and it is just as good and should be just as respected as other cultures.

    The white man? hahaha

    YOU are the one who wants people to be forced to adopt a certain culture, not me.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Saturnal wrote:
    nice. where in Jersey?

    I live in Kearny, NJ but the whole area is currently in the midst of a revitalization, brought upon by those dirty 3rd world people. The Ironbound section of Newark, which is only 2 miles from me, is an amazing place. You have some of the best Spanish/Portuegese restuarants. After the Newark riots the mostly Polish and Italian inhabitants of the area legt and the Ironbound section started to decay. In comes these dirty non-white non-Americans and start rebuilding the area. Their work in Ironbound draws the attention of investors and soon the entire city starts to prosper. Newark just finished construction on a new public transportation system. Newark is now the home of the New Jersey Performing Arts Center and the future home of the New Jersey Devils. Harrison, NJ which is town directly between Kearny and Newark. Was full of large abondoned factories since I was a child. Again dirty 3rd world people move in and start building up their neighborhood. Aagin it draws the attention of investors and now Harrison will be the future home of the New York/New Jersey Metro Star. They have just finished contruction of many riverfront town homes. New townhomes and luxury apratments are in the works and an extension of the Hudson-Bergen Lightrail line is in the works. Kearny also following the trend in Harrison and Newark is also in the planning stage of two corporate campuses is the South Kearny area of town where 75% of the space has already been leased. There is a Riverfront development project underworks to build 150 new townhome units. A town that native MAerican had allowed to fall off the face of the map is now one of the top 20 communities to live in in New Jersey. All of this is a product of immigranst from dirty 3rd world countries. The native born Americans gave up on this area, abandoned it to decay. While these non-Americans come in here and rebuild the community. Make something that people can be proud of, but they don't care about this country because they still hold onto to aspects of their native culture and haven't fallen in line with white America.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • NewspapersMatterNot
    NewspapersMatterNot Posts: 13
    Red Sox Nation
  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    mammasan wrote:
    I live in Kearny, NJ but the whole area is currently in the midst of a revitalization, brought upon by those dirty 3rd world people. The Ironbound section of Newark, which is only 2 miles from me, is an amazing place. You have some of the best Spanish/Portuegese restuarants. After the Newark riots the mostly Polish and Italian inhabitants of the area legt and the Ironbound section started to decay. In comes these dirty non-white non-Americans and start rebuilding the area. Their work in Ironbound draws the attention of investors and soon the entire city starts to prosper. Newark just finished construction on a new public transportation system. Newark is now the home of the New Jersey Performing Arts Center and the future home of the New Jersey Devils. Harrison, NJ which is town directly between Kearny and Newark. Was full of large abondoned factories since I was a child. Again dirty 3rd world people move in and start building up their neighborhood. Aagin it draws the attention of investors and now Harrison will be the future home of the New York/New Jersey Metro Star. They have just finished contruction of many riverfront town homes. New townhomes and luxury apratments are in the works and an extension of the Hudson-Bergen Lightrail line is in the works. Kearny also following the trend in Harrison and Newark is also in the planning stage of two corporate campuses is the South Kearny area of town where 75% of the space has already been leased. There is a Riverfront development project underworks to build 150 new townhome units. A town that native MAerican had allowed to fall off the face of the map is now one of the top 20 communities to live in in New Jersey. All of this is a product of immigranst from dirty 3rd world countries. The native born Americans gave up on this area, abandoned it to decay. While these non-Americans come in here and rebuild the community. Make something that people can be proud of, but they don't care about this country because they still hold onto to aspects of their native culture and haven't fallen in line with white America.

    What do you have against the "Enter" key? What did the paragraph ever do to you?
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    -Enoch Powell
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    What do you have against the "Enter" key? What did the paragraph ever do to you?

    I'll take your lack of an intelligent comment as me proving you wrong.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • yield2me
    yield2me Posts: 1,291
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    I'm currently reading Pat Buchanan's book "State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America."

    There is a chapter that defines what a nation is and what it is not. I find Buchanan's beliefs very interesting and, after thinking about his arguments, I find them very convincing.

    I would first like to find out what everyone else thinks a nation is.


    Why would you ever read Pat Buchanan's book? That guy is crrrrraaaaazzzyy!
    “May you live to be 100 and may the last voice you hear be mine.” - Frank Sinatra
  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    mammasan wrote:
    I'll take your lack of an intelligent comment as me proving you wrong.
    way to go mammasan u have shown what amercia truly is all along in this thread.if more amercians think like u do,this country wouldnt be so fucked up.on a side note,i cant wait till the new soccer stadium is bulit
    Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
    Sammi: Wanna just break up?

  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    Fuck soccer.

    Here's a good quote from one of our FOUNDERS George Washington that expresses his view that immigrants should not be allowed to congregate, but should be spread among the people:

    "The policy of immigration taking place in a body (I mean settling them in a body) may be much questioned; for, by so doing, they retain the language, habits, and principles (good or bad) which they bring with them. Whereas by an intermixture with our people, they or their descendents get assimilated to our customs and laws: in a word soon become one people."

    What's wrong with becoming one people? Why is George Washington wrong and you all are right?

    Was Washington a bad American?
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Dudes, you totally know I'm right. ;)
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Fuck soccer.

    Here's a good quote from one of our FOUNDERS George Washington that expresses his view that immigrants should not be allowed to congregate, but should be spread among the people:

    "The policy of immigration taking place in a body (I mean settling them in a body) may be much questioned; for, by so doing, they retain the language, habits, and principles (good or bad) which they bring with them. Whereas by an intermixture with our people, they or their descendents get assimilated to our customs and laws: in a word soon become one people."

    What's wrong with becoming one people? Why is George Washington wrong and you all are right?

    Was Washington a bad American?

    I never said I was right, I just said that you where wrong. Unlike you I don't pretend to know that I have all the answers. I speak from experience, from what I have seen in the world around me. You make assumption based on stereotypes and try to sell them as fact. To answer your question, no Washington wasn't a bad American but he didn't have all the right answers either.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    mammasan wrote:
    I never said I was right, I just said that you where wrong. Unlike you I don't pretend to know that I have all the answers. I speak from experience, from what I have seen in the world around me. You make assumption based on stereotypes and try to sell them as fact. To answer your question, no Washington wasn't a bad American but he didn't have all the right answers either.

    Why wasn't he right?
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Why wasn't he right?

    Because history has proven him wrong.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    mammasan wrote:
    Because history has proven him wrong.

    What kind of answer is that?

    No it hasn't. After massive immigration, the U.S. cut off immigration from 1924 to 1965. Does that prove Washington wrong? Taking that time to assimilate those immigrants was wrong?
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    What kind of answer is that?

    No it hasn't. After massive immigration, the U.S. cut off immigration from 1924 to 1965. Does that prove Washington wrong? Taking that time to assimilate those immigrants was wrong?

    Your so called American culture is a conglomerate of different aspects of different cultures in this country. And in case you missed it the first time I posted it. These immigranst are assimulating into the "American culture". Your assesment of them is based on a stereotyped derived from the actions of a minority within their community. Your entire arguement is based on nothing more than a stereotype so it is flawed. Washington was wrong and history has proven this because many immigrants that came to this country settled into their own communities and not only became part of America but actually intoduced America to their culture and added part of their people and traditions to the culture of this country. Did you think that Halloween and Christmas trees was an original "American tradition".
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    mammasan wrote:
    Your so called American culture is a conglomerate of different aspects of different cultures in this country. And in case you missed it the first time I posted it. These immigranst are assimulating into the "American culture". Your assesment of them is based on a stereotyped derived from the actions of a minority within their community. Your entire arguement is based on nothing more than a stereotype so it is flawed. Washington was wrong and history has proven this because many immigrants that came to this country settled into their own communities and not only became part of America but actually intoduced America to their culture and added part of their people and traditions to the culture of this country. Did you think that Halloween and Christmas trees was an original "American tradition".

    I stick by Washington. He supported integration and THAT is what caused Halloween and Christmas trees to become a part of our culture. Not by celebrating Cinco de Mayo and other Mexican holidays in ethnic enclaves that are devoid of any other influence.

    Assimilation and integration are good. I can't understand what you have against them?
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    I stick by Washington. He supported integration and THAT is what caused Halloween and Christmas trees to become a part of our culture. Not by celebrating Cinco de Mayo and other Mexican holidays in ethnic enclaves that are devoid of any other influence.

    Assimilation and integration are good. I can't understand what you have against them?

    You know what I'm sure the natives of this country thought exactly as you did when they saw those poor dirty Irish bastards celebrating Halloween or when the German immigrants started putting up their Christmas trees. As far as a Cinco de Mayo that is a holiday poularized in this country by a brewery in order to increase sales. Cinco de Mayo is a Mexican holiday but it is not wildly celebrated. So you hate Cinco de Mayo complain to the American based distributer of Corona .

    Again you are wrong, it seems to be a trend for you, I never stated that assimulation was wrong. I stated that 3rd world immigrants are assimulating into our culture. You either don't see it or refuse to see it. Your arguement, as I said before, is based on a stereotype. Your a college boy I'm sure you know what a stereotype is.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    Fuck soccer.

    Here's a good quote from one of our FOUNDERS George Washington that expresses his view that immigrants should not be allowed to congregate, but should be spread among the people:

    "The policy of immigration taking place in a body (I mean settling them in a body) may be much questioned; for, by so doing, they retain the language, habits, and principles (good or bad) which they bring with them. Whereas by an intermixture with our people, they or their descendents get assimilated to our customs and laws: in a word soon become one people."

    What's wrong with becoming one people? Why is George Washington wrong and you all are right?

    Was Washington a bad American?

    Times have changed. I do tend to agree with you on immigration, that is, responsible immigration policy to bring the numbers down. On the other hand, if assimilation is the rampant mindless consumerism and the predatory coporate conglomarate that enforces it, well, I can't buy that. I can't buy that any more than I can buy Jesus.
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  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    gue_barium wrote:
    Times have changed. I do tend to agree with you on immigration, that is, responsible immigration policy to bring the numbers down. On the other hand, if assimilation is the rampant mindless consumerism and the predatory coporate conglomarate that enforces it, well, I can't buy that. I can't buy that any more than I can buy Jesus.

    Being an american is more than becoming a consumer or financial benificiary of America's wealth. It's got more to do with being attached to its people and way of life.

    I find a lot of corporations to be incredibly shallow in their perspective on immigration.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell

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