I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Here's a good quote from one of our FOUNDERS George Washington that expresses his view that immigrants should not be allowed to congregate, but should be spread among the people:
"The policy of immigration taking place in a body (I mean settling them in a body) may be much questioned; for, by so doing, they retain the language, habits, and principles (good or bad) which they bring with them. Whereas by an intermixture with our people, they or their descendents get assimilated to our customs and laws: in a word soon become one people."
What's wrong with becoming one people? Why is George Washington wrong and you all are right?
Was Washington a bad American?
I never said I was right, I just said that you where wrong. Unlike you I don't pretend to know that I have all the answers. I speak from experience, from what I have seen in the world around me. You make assumption based on stereotypes and try to sell them as fact. To answer your question, no Washington wasn't a bad American but he didn't have all the right answers either.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I never said I was right, I just said that you where wrong. Unlike you I don't pretend to know that I have all the answers. I speak from experience, from what I have seen in the world around me. You make assumption based on stereotypes and try to sell them as fact. To answer your question, no Washington wasn't a bad American but he didn't have all the right answers either.
Why wasn't he right?
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
No it hasn't. After massive immigration, the U.S. cut off immigration from 1924 to 1965. Does that prove Washington wrong? Taking that time to assimilate those immigrants was wrong?
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
No it hasn't. After massive immigration, the U.S. cut off immigration from 1924 to 1965. Does that prove Washington wrong? Taking that time to assimilate those immigrants was wrong?
Your so called American culture is a conglomerate of different aspects of different cultures in this country. And in case you missed it the first time I posted it. These immigranst are assimulating into the "American culture". Your assesment of them is based on a stereotyped derived from the actions of a minority within their community. Your entire arguement is based on nothing more than a stereotype so it is flawed. Washington was wrong and history has proven this because many immigrants that came to this country settled into their own communities and not only became part of America but actually intoduced America to their culture and added part of their people and traditions to the culture of this country. Did you think that Halloween and Christmas trees was an original "American tradition".
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Your so called American culture is a conglomerate of different aspects of different cultures in this country. And in case you missed it the first time I posted it. These immigranst are assimulating into the "American culture". Your assesment of them is based on a stereotyped derived from the actions of a minority within their community. Your entire arguement is based on nothing more than a stereotype so it is flawed. Washington was wrong and history has proven this because many immigrants that came to this country settled into their own communities and not only became part of America but actually intoduced America to their culture and added part of their people and traditions to the culture of this country. Did you think that Halloween and Christmas trees was an original "American tradition".
I stick by Washington. He supported integration and THAT is what caused Halloween and Christmas trees to become a part of our culture. Not by celebrating Cinco de Mayo and other Mexican holidays in ethnic enclaves that are devoid of any other influence.
Assimilation and integration are good. I can't understand what you have against them?
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
I stick by Washington. He supported integration and THAT is what caused Halloween and Christmas trees to become a part of our culture. Not by celebrating Cinco de Mayo and other Mexican holidays in ethnic enclaves that are devoid of any other influence.
Assimilation and integration are good. I can't understand what you have against them?
You know what I'm sure the natives of this country thought exactly as you did when they saw those poor dirty Irish bastards celebrating Halloween or when the German immigrants started putting up their Christmas trees. As far as a Cinco de Mayo that is a holiday poularized in this country by a brewery in order to increase sales. Cinco de Mayo is a Mexican holiday but it is not wildly celebrated. So you hate Cinco de Mayo complain to the American based distributer of Corona .
Again you are wrong, it seems to be a trend for you, I never stated that assimulation was wrong. I stated that 3rd world immigrants are assimulating into our culture. You either don't see it or refuse to see it. Your arguement, as I said before, is based on a stereotype. Your a college boy I'm sure you know what a stereotype is.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Here's a good quote from one of our FOUNDERS George Washington that expresses his view that immigrants should not be allowed to congregate, but should be spread among the people:
"The policy of immigration taking place in a body (I mean settling them in a body) may be much questioned; for, by so doing, they retain the language, habits, and principles (good or bad) which they bring with them. Whereas by an intermixture with our people, they or their descendents get assimilated to our customs and laws: in a word soon become one people."
What's wrong with becoming one people? Why is George Washington wrong and you all are right?
Was Washington a bad American?
Times have changed. I do tend to agree with you on immigration, that is, responsible immigration policy to bring the numbers down. On the other hand, if assimilation is the rampant mindless consumerism and the predatory coporate conglomarate that enforces it, well, I can't buy that. I can't buy that any more than I can buy Jesus.
Times have changed. I do tend to agree with you on immigration, that is, responsible immigration policy to bring the numbers down. On the other hand, if assimilation is the rampant mindless consumerism and the predatory coporate conglomarate that enforces it, well, I can't buy that. I can't buy that any more than I can buy Jesus.
Being an american is more than becoming a consumer or financial benificiary of America's wealth. It's got more to do with being attached to its people and way of life.
I find a lot of corporations to be incredibly shallow in their perspective on immigration.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
No it hasn't. After massive immigration, the U.S. cut off immigration from 1924 to 1965. Does that prove Washington wrong? Taking that time to assimilate those immigrants was wrong?
That's funny, because my husband's family came here in 1937.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Yes, legally. What are they teaching at that school of yours? My daughter is currently applying to colleges, I'll make sure William and Mary isn't on the list.
I'm currently reading Pat Buchanan's book "State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America."
There is a chapter that defines what a nation is and what it is not. I find Buchanan's beliefs very interesting and, after thinking about his arguments, I find them very convincing.
I would first like to find out what everyone else thinks a nation is.
Quebec...
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I define a nation as a group of people bonded by shared culture, language, religion, and/or race. I believe there is a race of Americans that goes beyond ethnicity.
I'm half irish, part english russian polish scottish etc. But I'm an American.
When I say "One nation, under God," I see that nation as American. I believe an American speaks english, is protestant/catholic/jewish, and has an attachment to their homeland and other Americans. An American has a bond with the land he grew up on and its people. An American knows our history and culture. They speak a certain way and know certain facets about our people that a visiting foreigner could never understand.
There are people who live in America that do not fall under these criteria. I really don't feel they are a part of my nation. "Hyphenated-Americans" are not American. People that identify their nation of origin before America are not Americans - they should go back to their country. You can either be Dutch or you can be American.
The reason a national identity is important is that a country cannot stand on weak ideological moors. Anyone can't be an American, it takes time and education about our culture and way of life. Men fought in WWII because they were fighting for their way of life - not for vapid things like our "shared economy" or "liberty." They were defending their country and its people.
When you don't expect your immigrants to assimilate, you cannot expect them to care about their country beyond the financial benefits that come from living there. Real Americans care more about our shared experience and culture than they care about the money they can make here. The immigrants care about coming here, making money, and sending it back to their "home country." I say, go back to your home country.
Just out of interest, what is the ratio of Spanish speaking citizens in the U.S now?
"The policy of immigration taking place in a body (I mean settling them in a body) may be much questioned; for, by so doing, they retain the language, habits, and principles (good or bad) which they bring with them. Whereas by an intermixture with our people, they or their descendents get assimilated to our customs and laws: in a word soon become one people."
What's wrong with becoming one people? Why is George Washington wrong and you all are right?
And where exactly would you draw the line Corporate Whore? Once every 'foreigner' had done as you wish and learned to speak the Queens own English, and become a flag waving 'patriot', after having turned their backs on their own heritage, where would you go from there? There are Black Americans who's great-great grandparents were born and raised in America. Would you ask them to refute their blackness? Are Oscar de la hoya and Jennifer Lopez American? Or would you have them sent 'home' for not being American enough?
What exactly does your ideal American look like? Why does he need to be white? There are plenty of great black Americans throughout your country's history. Why should all Americans have to conform to some kind of idealist image of 'An American' that you've concocted?
Sounds to me like you're shifting blame onto people that you have no knowledge of and have nothing to do with. This kind of thinking is what defines the word 'prejudice'.
I actually like going to a city and walk in a certain neighbourhood and feel like I'm in India or Turkey. Walk another block in it's like you're in Italy with their habits and their language.
When I say "One nation, under God," I see that nation as American. I believe an American speaks english, is protestant/catholic/jewish, and has an attachment to their homeland and other Americans. An American has a bond with the land he grew up on and its people. An American knows our history and culture. They speak a certain way and know certain facets about our people that a visiting foreigner could never understand.
You believe an American speaks English. America doesn't have an official language. Protestant, catholic or jewish? Bye bye, atheists, buddhists, hindus, muslims you're not 'American' enough for CorporateWhore.
Know your history? 30 years ago my dad studied a year at an American college, he took American History, he knew more about American History than a lot of Americans in his class.
Give an example of what foreigners would never understand? Religious bigotry?
I travelled through the US for a month, there were a lot of people who didn't even notice I was foreign.
I guess you missed my post on the immigration thread where I showed some examples of how 3rd world immigrant vastly improved the neighborhoods and communities they inhabited. Then again the words would probably be wasted on one with such a warped concept of what this country should be.
Nicely put... I mean the Irish immigrants BUILT America, sent money home and now we can do the same for other nations. Sometimes I find myself complaining about the Polish or the Baltics doing the same thing to us but I remember that is why we are such a great nation today. We were robbed for so long and our emigrants really had to work hard but I think they did us proud and the wealth we have now is probably just some kinda karma.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I'm not arguing against Irish bars or Italian restaurants. I'm arguing in favor of "the melting pot." Too many ethnic groups segregate themselves and refuse to integrate with the rest of society. They only hangout with people from their own ethnic group. THEY'RE the racists. I want more cultural integration.
You want the white man to be forced to adopt all of the other cultures but none of the other cultures should be forced to adopt anything from the white man. This is a MELTING POT. They give and I give, they take and I take. The only way that exchange can take place is if they learn english and build an attachment to this country through patriotism. White Americans DO have a culture and it is just as good and should be just as respected as other cultures.
Ah HA... so it's only non-white immigrants you're complaining about, right? The 'white American' just has it easier cos they often come from countries where English is either a first or a studied language. Is everyone not entitled to a slice of America? Isn't that the ideal? And, by the way, you're the first 'half Irish American' I've spoken to who wants to forget where they actually CAME FROM and be known ONLY as American . Your family were immigrants too.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
And treated like shit when they arrived here, but I guess they don't teach that at William & Mary. Maybe I'm wrong, but the Irish population in the country, the visiable majority, still maintains very strong Irish roots. Just up the street from me is the Hudson Country Irish-American Society. I guess they should pack them up and send them home as well .
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
And treated like shit when they arrived here, but I guess they don't teach that at William & Mary. Maybe I'm wrong, but the Irish population in the country, the visiable majority, still maintains very strong Irish roots. Just up the street from me is the Hudson Country Irish-American Society. I guess they should pack them up and send them home as well .
Oh no, I don't think he has a problem with WHITE immigrants maintaining their roots said he doesn't mind Irish pubs and Italian restaurants and stuff like that... hmm... so maybe we need to get down to which immigrants actually DO bother him???
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
And treated like shit when they arrived here, but I guess they don't teach that at William & Mary. Maybe I'm wrong, but the Irish population in the country, the visiable majority, still maintains very strong Irish roots. Just up the street from me is the Hudson Country Irish-American Society. I guess they should pack them up and send them home as well .
Maybe be stick them all on reservations, let them have a few casino's and wipe your hands clean of them. I read on here recently that the Native Americans have a few casino's now - I think the poster was intimating that this excuses 150 years of oppression, racism and brutality. Nice.
Oh no, I don't think he has a problem with WHITE immigrants maintaining their routes said he doesn't mind Irish pubs and Italian restaurants and stuff like that... hmm... so maybe we need to get down to which immigrants actually DO bother him???
People with dark skin. I don't know if this includes Mexican Americans though.
People with dark skin. I don't know if this includes Mexican Americans though.
I'm guessing it does Maybe the fact that they resemble the natives so much freaks him out a bit... makes him imagine scenarios of natives blending in or something.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Oh no, I don't think he has a problem with WHITE immigrants maintaining their routes said he doesn't mind Irish pubs and Italian restaurants and stuff like that... hmm... so maybe we need to get down to which immigrants actually DO bother him???
He doesn't like immigrants from 3rd world countries, which interestingly enough are for the most part are not caucasian. He also is in support of a religious cleansing too. Only Protastants/Catholics/Jews are welcome here. I never realised that facism was a major at some of our finer institutions of higher learning.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
Being an american is more than becoming a consumer or financial benificiary of America's wealth. It's got more to do with being attached to its people and way of life.
I find a lot of corporations to be incredibly shallow in their perspective on immigration.
Well, i'm certainly not a beneficiary, and most people I know are not, and will not become financial beneficiaries by living here. Our way of life: working to stay out of debt. Football is okay. So is baseball.
He doesn't like immigrants from 3rd world countries, which interestingly enough are for the most part are not caucasian. He also is in support of a religious cleansing too. Only Protastants/Catholics/Jews are welcome here. I never realised that facism was a major at some of our finer institutions of higher learning.
but isn't that what most Americans are made up of? Immigrants from 3rd world countries? Why was it ok then? I mean if his ancestors didn't emigrate, he'd never have been born, cos the Irish half wouldn't have met the mixed half... ah well, maybe the world would have been a bit better off
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Being an american's got more to do with being attached to its people and way of life.
A black dude born and raised in a shack in Alabama is a million miles away from some rich white dude born and raised in Beverly Hills. Is either more or less American than the other? It could be argued that the blacks in the south have done more for America than the rich whites in the suburbs. Black Americans have been responsible for introducing soul, syle and attitude into American culture and society. Where would America be without Blues music, Jazz, R n' B, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King J.R, Muhammed Ali, and Richard Pryor?
I imagine that other ethnic moniorities are influencing America in just such a strong way - Latino's especially.
I mean, what would England be like without it's Indian and Afo-carribean population? I imagine it would be a stunted, under-nourished nation.
A nice article about the debate surrounding the Quebec Nation resolution in Canada, nice but long article...
A "Québécois Nation"? Harper Fuels an Important Debate
by Richard Fidler
Global Research, December 22, 2006
The Bullet,, Socialist Project
The House of Commons voted on November 27 to support a Tory government motion that "the Québécois form a nation within a united Canada." What does it mean? And why now?
The second question is easier to answer. The motion was triggered by an unexpected turn of events. Michael Ignatieff, in his quest for the Liberal leadership this fall, ignited a firestorm of protest within his party when he suggested that Quebec should be recognized as a "nation" in the Constitution. A similar proposal was endorsed by the federal party's Quebec wing. It was promptly denounced by the other candidates and widely condemned as a "gaffe" in the English-Canadian media.
Fellow Liberal leadership contender Bob Rae voiced the widespread unease in ruling circles: "I'm not somebody who is going to set this country on a constitutional adventure, whose consequences and whose outcome I'm not certain of," Rae said.
Rae was an architect of the ill-fated Charlottetown Accord, forged by the provincial premiers after the defeat of the Meech Lake Accord in the early 1990s. Neither of these proposed constitutional arrangements recognized Quebec as a nation. But Meech died in the face of English-Canadian opposition to a clause simply identifying Quebec as a "distinct society."
Charlottetown was defeated in a pan-Canadian referendum in which Quebec voters rejected it because it failed to recognize the province's national specificity, while voters in the rest of Canada (ROC) rejected it because they thought it did. Three years later, Quebec came within a hair's breadth of voting for sovereignty.
Since then, no federal politician of any stature has dared broach the issue of reforming the Constitution to accommodate Quebec concerns.
Now there was an opening. The Bloc Québécois, seeing an opportunity to deepen the Liberal rift and embarrass the minority Harper government, proposed a parliamentary motion along the lines of the Ignatieff-Quebec Liberal position. Harper, to avoid the trap, and desperate to win more votes in Quebec, then proposed his own motion. Media reports indicate it was drafted in consultation with Opposition leaders including Stéphane Dion, then a candidate for the federal Liberal leadership. After some hesitation, the Bloc signed on, as did the NDP. The Liberals split on the vote.
The Quebec Liberals then abandoned their motion at the party's convention, apparently in the belief that the parliamentary vote absolved them of the need for further debate - although, as we shall see, the Quebec issue proved decisive to the outcome of the leadership contest.
If nothing else, the controversy was a further reminder of the political volatility of the unresolved question of Quebec's constitutional status.
For the Liberals in particular, Ignatieff's challenge was agonizing; he was implicitly questioning the entire legacy associated with Pierre Trudeau, whose career as prime minister was devoted to fighting Quebec nationhood and attempting to substitute for it a "Canadian" nationality in which distinct national differences were dissolved in a melting pot of English-French official bilingualism from coast to coast.
That conception had appeared to triumph in 1982 with the "patriation" of the Canadian constitution from Westminster. The deal dropped Quebec's de facto veto over constitutional amendments and imposed a Charter of Rights that overrode Quebec's language laws. But the unilateral 1982 deal was largely opposed in Quebec, where the National Assembly voted overwhelmingly to reject it. Ever since, successive governments have been trying to restore the legitimacy of the Canadian state among Quebecers, without much success. On one level, that is the goal of Harper's motion... (to continue, follow the link)
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I never said I was right, I just said that you where wrong. Unlike you I don't pretend to know that I have all the answers. I speak from experience, from what I have seen in the world around me. You make assumption based on stereotypes and try to sell them as fact. To answer your question, no Washington wasn't a bad American but he didn't have all the right answers either.
Why wasn't he right?
-Enoch Powell
Because history has proven him wrong.
What kind of answer is that?
No it hasn't. After massive immigration, the U.S. cut off immigration from 1924 to 1965. Does that prove Washington wrong? Taking that time to assimilate those immigrants was wrong?
-Enoch Powell
Your so called American culture is a conglomerate of different aspects of different cultures in this country. And in case you missed it the first time I posted it. These immigranst are assimulating into the "American culture". Your assesment of them is based on a stereotyped derived from the actions of a minority within their community. Your entire arguement is based on nothing more than a stereotype so it is flawed. Washington was wrong and history has proven this because many immigrants that came to this country settled into their own communities and not only became part of America but actually intoduced America to their culture and added part of their people and traditions to the culture of this country. Did you think that Halloween and Christmas trees was an original "American tradition".
I stick by Washington. He supported integration and THAT is what caused Halloween and Christmas trees to become a part of our culture. Not by celebrating Cinco de Mayo and other Mexican holidays in ethnic enclaves that are devoid of any other influence.
Assimilation and integration are good. I can't understand what you have against them?
-Enoch Powell
You know what I'm sure the natives of this country thought exactly as you did when they saw those poor dirty Irish bastards celebrating Halloween or when the German immigrants started putting up their Christmas trees. As far as a Cinco de Mayo that is a holiday poularized in this country by a brewery in order to increase sales. Cinco de Mayo is a Mexican holiday but it is not wildly celebrated. So you hate Cinco de Mayo complain to the American based distributer of Corona .
Again you are wrong, it seems to be a trend for you, I never stated that assimulation was wrong. I stated that 3rd world immigrants are assimulating into our culture. You either don't see it or refuse to see it. Your arguement, as I said before, is based on a stereotype. Your a college boy I'm sure you know what a stereotype is.
Times have changed. I do tend to agree with you on immigration, that is, responsible immigration policy to bring the numbers down. On the other hand, if assimilation is the rampant mindless consumerism and the predatory coporate conglomarate that enforces it, well, I can't buy that. I can't buy that any more than I can buy Jesus.
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Being an american is more than becoming a consumer or financial benificiary of America's wealth. It's got more to do with being attached to its people and way of life.
I find a lot of corporations to be incredibly shallow in their perspective on immigration.
-Enoch Powell
Not legally.
-Enoch Powell
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.eb1d4c2a3e5b9ac89243c6a7543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=dc60e1df53b2f010VgnVCM1000000ecd190aRCRD&vgnextchannel=dc60e1df53b2f010VgnVCM1000000ecd190aRCRD
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Just out of interest, what is the ratio of Spanish speaking citizens in the U.S now?
What about if you live on an Indonesian island which happpens to be one amongst hundreds of other islands?
And where exactly would you draw the line Corporate Whore? Once every 'foreigner' had done as you wish and learned to speak the Queens own English, and become a flag waving 'patriot', after having turned their backs on their own heritage, where would you go from there? There are Black Americans who's great-great grandparents were born and raised in America. Would you ask them to refute their blackness? Are Oscar de la hoya and Jennifer Lopez American? Or would you have them sent 'home' for not being American enough?
What exactly does your ideal American look like? Why does he need to be white? There are plenty of great black Americans throughout your country's history. Why should all Americans have to conform to some kind of idealist image of 'An American' that you've concocted?
Sounds to me like you're shifting blame onto people that you have no knowledge of and have nothing to do with. This kind of thinking is what defines the word 'prejudice'.
You believe an American speaks English. America doesn't have an official language. Protestant, catholic or jewish? Bye bye, atheists, buddhists, hindus, muslims you're not 'American' enough for CorporateWhore.
Know your history? 30 years ago my dad studied a year at an American college, he took American History, he knew more about American History than a lot of Americans in his class.
Give an example of what foreigners would never understand? Religious bigotry?
I travelled through the US for a month, there were a lot of people who didn't even notice I was foreign.
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Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
And treated like shit when they arrived here, but I guess they don't teach that at William & Mary. Maybe I'm wrong, but the Irish population in the country, the visiable majority, still maintains very strong Irish roots. Just up the street from me is the Hudson Country Irish-American Society. I guess they should pack them up and send them home as well .
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Maybe be stick them all on reservations, let them have a few casino's and wipe your hands clean of them.
People with dark skin. I don't know if this includes Mexican Americans though.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
He doesn't like immigrants from 3rd world countries, which interestingly enough are for the most part are not caucasian. He also is in support of a religious cleansing too. Only Protastants/Catholics/Jews are welcome here. I never realised that facism was a major at some of our finer institutions of higher learning.
Well, i'm certainly not a beneficiary, and most people I know are not, and will not become financial beneficiaries by living here. Our way of life: working to stay out of debt. Football is okay. So is baseball.
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Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
A black dude born and raised in a shack in Alabama is a million miles away from some rich white dude born and raised in Beverly Hills. Is either more or less American than the other? It could be argued that the blacks in the south have done more for America than the rich whites in the suburbs. Black Americans have been responsible for introducing soul, syle and attitude into American culture and society. Where would America be without Blues music, Jazz, R n' B, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King J.R, Muhammed Ali, and Richard Pryor?
I imagine that other ethnic moniorities are influencing America in just such a strong way - Latino's especially.
I mean, what would England be like without it's Indian and Afo-carribean population? I imagine it would be a stunted, under-nourished nation.
A "Québécois Nation"? Harper Fuels an Important Debate
by Richard Fidler
Global Research, December 22, 2006
The Bullet,, Socialist Project
The House of Commons voted on November 27 to support a Tory government motion that "the Québécois form a nation within a united Canada." What does it mean? And why now?
The second question is easier to answer. The motion was triggered by an unexpected turn of events. Michael Ignatieff, in his quest for the Liberal leadership this fall, ignited a firestorm of protest within his party when he suggested that Quebec should be recognized as a "nation" in the Constitution. A similar proposal was endorsed by the federal party's Quebec wing. It was promptly denounced by the other candidates and widely condemned as a "gaffe" in the English-Canadian media.
Fellow Liberal leadership contender Bob Rae voiced the widespread unease in ruling circles: "I'm not somebody who is going to set this country on a constitutional adventure, whose consequences and whose outcome I'm not certain of," Rae said.
Rae was an architect of the ill-fated Charlottetown Accord, forged by the provincial premiers after the defeat of the Meech Lake Accord in the early 1990s. Neither of these proposed constitutional arrangements recognized Quebec as a nation. But Meech died in the face of English-Canadian opposition to a clause simply identifying Quebec as a "distinct society."
Charlottetown was defeated in a pan-Canadian referendum in which Quebec voters rejected it because it failed to recognize the province's national specificity, while voters in the rest of Canada (ROC) rejected it because they thought it did. Three years later, Quebec came within a hair's breadth of voting for sovereignty.
Since then, no federal politician of any stature has dared broach the issue of reforming the Constitution to accommodate Quebec concerns.
Now there was an opening. The Bloc Québécois, seeing an opportunity to deepen the Liberal rift and embarrass the minority Harper government, proposed a parliamentary motion along the lines of the Ignatieff-Quebec Liberal position. Harper, to avoid the trap, and desperate to win more votes in Quebec, then proposed his own motion. Media reports indicate it was drafted in consultation with Opposition leaders including Stéphane Dion, then a candidate for the federal Liberal leadership. After some hesitation, the Bloc signed on, as did the NDP. The Liberals split on the vote.
The Quebec Liberals then abandoned their motion at the party's convention, apparently in the belief that the parliamentary vote absolved them of the need for further debate - although, as we shall see, the Quebec issue proved decisive to the outcome of the leadership contest.
If nothing else, the controversy was a further reminder of the political volatility of the unresolved question of Quebec's constitutional status.
For the Liberals in particular, Ignatieff's challenge was agonizing; he was implicitly questioning the entire legacy associated with Pierre Trudeau, whose career as prime minister was devoted to fighting Quebec nationhood and attempting to substitute for it a "Canadian" nationality in which distinct national differences were dissolved in a melting pot of English-French official bilingualism from coast to coast.
That conception had appeared to triumph in 1982 with the "patriation" of the Canadian constitution from Westminster. The deal dropped Quebec's de facto veto over constitutional amendments and imposed a Charter of Rights that overrode Quebec's language laws. But the unilateral 1982 deal was largely opposed in Quebec, where the National Assembly voted overwhelmingly to reject it. Ever since, successive governments have been trying to restore the legitimacy of the Canadian state among Quebecers, without much success. On one level, that is the goal of Harper's motion... (to continue, follow the link)
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