Idiot Cindy barks at dems

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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    It doesn't seem to too partisan to me considering she's blasting the Dems for supporting the war, as well. I think she made a personal choice to organize with groups she saw as sharing her view and that could help get her message out. We don't have to support her organizations or agree with her move. But to act as if it's not about her son and the anti war movement but just about publicity and power is a bit of a stretch used mostly by the war supporters, imo.

    I agree that we shouldn't judge her motives, but the organizations she sided with tend to be very one sided and to people, who would otherwise support her, this really turned them off to her.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Uncle Teddy wrote:
    The Democrats are uniters, not dividers?! Somehow I sense the Dems are shaping up fast to be 2 year wonders. I'm loving it.


    Yes we know the Dems suck and the Republicans have built a utopia in the past 6 years of complete control.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Uncle Teddy
    Uncle Teddy Posts: 28
    Wait a min, we can't criticize Mother Sheehan, a puppet she may be. She is a victim nonetheless. Her son was exploited by a cruel and heartless country for an unjust war. That woman is a warrior. That woman has moral authority. She is on a crusade, as hapless as it may be, to stop a killing and raping machine dead in its tracks.
  • Uncle Teddy
    Uncle Teddy Posts: 28
    mammasan wrote:
    Yes we know the Dems suck and the Republicans have built a utopia in the past 6 years of complete control.

    No, only Democrats promise a utopia. And they WILL live up to their promise.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    mammasan wrote:
    I agree that we shouldn't judge her motives, but the organizations she sided with tend to be very one sided and to people, who would otherwise support her, this really turned them off to her.

    I can agree with that. I just think it's wrong to say she never cared about her son or has forgotten him when they have no way of knowing how she feels. That's just really low.

    Oh and thank you for the intelligent discussion on the matter. :) It's so rare to be able to discuss these things here without the usual idiotic remarks such as liberal scum and now the new 'whore of babylon'.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Uncle Teddy wrote:
    No, only Democrats promise a utopia.

    You miss the point. You criticize Democrats, which by the way they deserve as much blame for the current state as the Republicans, yet the Republicans have been in total control for 6 years. Look at the state of our country, look at the mess created in the Middle East, look at the fiasco of Hurrican Katrina, look at the increase size and scope of the Federal government, look at the uncontrolable spoending by our government. All done while the Republicans have been in control. I'm no fan of the Democrats, but if I was a Republican I wouldn't be bragging much either.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    I can agree with that. I just think it's wrong to say she never cared about her son or has forgotten him when they have no way of knowing how she feels. That's just really low.

    Oh and thank you for the intelligent discussion on the matter. :) It's so rare to be able to discuss these things here without the usual idiotic remarks such as liberal scum and now the new 'whore of babylon'.

    Well some people really can't carry a serious discussion.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    mammasan wrote:
    Well some people really can't carry a serious discussion.

    And I think they're too scared to try.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    And I think they're too scared to try.

    I thought whore of babylon was pretty clever actually
    America...the greatest Country in the world.
  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    And I think they're too scared to try.


    I chalk it up to this my team is better than yours mentality. People are so entrenched in this mind set that they are unwilling to even hear what the other side has to say. You can almost see them putting their fingers in their ears and say "NAH NAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU". Neither side has all the answers and both sides are right and wrong. Untill we as a nation realize that, and stop listening to politicians and their entourage of commentators and handlers telling us what to think, we will never be able to regain control of our government.
    "When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
  • Uncle Teddy
    Uncle Teddy Posts: 28
    It's going to be fun to watch the Democrats work their "magic" in the next two years..They are on a helluva great start. I'm watching with detached amusement.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    mammasan wrote:
    I chalk it up to this my team is better than yours mentality. People are so entrenched in this mind set that they are unwilling to even hear what the other side has to say. You can almost see them putting their fingers in their ears and say "NAH NAH I CAN'T HEAR YOU". Neither side has all the answers and both sides are right and wrong. Untill we as a nation realize that, and stop listening to politicians and their entourage of commentators and handlers telling us what to think, we will never be able to regain control of our government.

    I agree.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • lalalalaaaaaaaa
    lalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    miller8966 wrote:
    like the dog that she is...

    WASHINGTON — Iraq war protesters broke up a press conference by House Democrats on Wednesday with chants to bring American troops home from Iraq.

    Chanting "de-escalate, investigate, troops home now," the protesters disrupted a briefing aimed at outlining priority goals when Democrats take over the House and Senate on Thursday.

    Cindy Sheehan, an anti-war activist and mother of a soldier who died in Iraq, led the group to Capitol Hill to warn Democrats that party activists expect them to end the war in Iraq and confront the White House on a change in Iraq strategy.

    "We didn't put you in power to work with the people that have been murdering hundreds of thousands of people since they have been in power," Sheehan said. "We put you in power to be opposition to them finally and we're the ones who put them in power."

    Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., cut the press conference short when protests drowned out his voice through a dozen microphones set up to record his comments. Emanuel said Democrats would go back to the caucus room and return later.
    If she voted for Democrats thinking that they have some collective interest in withdrawing from Iraq any time soon, she is an idiot. Hardly any Democratic candidates this year ran on the issue of the war being wrong and that we should withdraw.
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    robbie wrote:
    that is the same term the united states used to describe suicide bombers when they were fighting the russians.... in fact, that is exactely what we called osama bin laden when he was fighting the russians. they only switch from freedom fighters to terrorists when we are the ones occupying their countries. also, i thought you would be happy to see someone protesting democrats.


    do you need a history lesson? the russians were trying to take away their freedom. as they did with many other countries. do you remember the USSR?

    we are fighting them because they attacked us unprovoked. suicide bombers who blow themselves up on an israeli bus or baghdad market are not freedom fighters. but I dont think you feel the same way as cindy....right?

    and I could give a flying fuck who protests at democrats or republicans for that matter. but nice try.
  • Milhouse VanHouten
    Milhouse VanHouten Posts: 755
    Saturnal wrote:
    If she voted for Democrats thinking that they have some collective interest in withdrawing from Iraq any time soon, she is an idiot. Hardly any Democratic candidates this year ran on the issue of the war being wrong and that we should withdraw.

    Whoever she voted for, I have to give her tons of credit for literally speaking truth to power. Dems are the majority in Congress now, and she went to them and voiced her opposition to the war.
    "Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
  • trappedinmyradio
    trappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    josevolution wrote:
    first of all she is the one who lost a son to this war so she can bark all she wants i would not be calling her an idiot .......

    she's an idiot...
    I'll dig a tunnel
    from my window to yours
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:
    Whoever she voted for, I have to give her tons of credit for literally speaking truth to power. Dems are the majority in Congress now, and she went to them and voiced her opposition to the war.

    Exactly. She may not have the best laid out plans sometimes but she doesn't give up. She's held true to her cause and keeps on fighting for it no matter who is in power. Instead of slacking because the Dems are in power, she's still out there full speed. I think it's quite it admirable to stand up for what you believe in... not simply back a political party but to back her own beliefs instead.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Milhouse VanHouten
    Milhouse VanHouten Posts: 755
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Exactly. She may not have the best laid out plans sometimes but she doesn't give up. She's held true to her cause and keeps on fighting for it no matter who is in power. Instead of slacking because the Dems are in power, she's still out there full speed. I think it's quite it to admirable to stand up for what you believe in... not simply back a political party but to back her own beliefs instead.

    Fully agreed.

    Funny how a larger % of the people in this country are now leaning toward the Cindy Sheehan view of the war and away from the George W. view of the war. Yeah, that Cindy Sheehan's one crazy broad... what a whacko.
    "Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:
    Fully agreed.

    Funny how a larger % of the people in this country are now leaning toward the Cindy Sheehan view of the war and away from the George W. view of the war. Yeah, that Cindy Sheehan's one crazy broad... what a whacko.

    What both of you ignore, and what the thread has focused on, is that while her message may be resonating, her delivery isn't. She continues to do things to marginalize herself. As has been pointed out, she has the platform and the message to really make a difference and bring critical mass to this issue. Instead she continues to do stupid shit that keeps people believing she's a fringe lunatic.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Exactly. She may not have the best laid out plans sometimes but she doesn't give up. She's held true to her cause and keeps on fighting for it no matter who is in power. Instead of slacking because the Dems are in power, she's still out there full speed. I think it's quite it admirable to stand up for what you believe in... not simply back a political party but to back her own beliefs instead.


    bush believes he is doing the greater good for america by staying the course in Iraq and fighting terrorist and help the iraqi people win freedom. do you admire him for that? he is firmly standing up for what he believes in even when many people in his own party oppose the iraq war.

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