Can someone please remind me the negative side of marijuana?

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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    MarylandTeacher wrote:
    That information was passed around as early as the 1980's. The New York Times has this article that shows that chronic use of pot lowers the production of testosterone.

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9D00E1D9163BF936A15754C0A967948260

    actually, the study shows that really, really stoned mice (those given 10 to 100 times than the low doses) have a drop in testosterone levels...

    I do find it interesting no other studies seem to back this up...heck, they've had 25 years to duplicate it...

    edit:

    Here is a nice article on the good Dr. Dalterio, the author of the "unbiased" study...

    http://www.november.org/stayinfo/breaking/Tough.html
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    MarylandTeacher wrote:
    That information was passed around as early as the 1980's. The New York Times has this article that shows that chronic use of pot lowers the production of testosterone.

    In summary: short term gain and a long term loss.

    http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9D00E1D9163BF936A15754C0A967948260
    I've also heard that obesity lowers the production of testosterone...........yet Doritos and Happy Meals are still legal? I say, sell them just like cigarettes..........put a freaking warning label on them with the possible risks and let the informed people weigh those risks on their own................And we wonder why so many people use someone else (a.k.a the Government) to think for them these days.....................Our ability to think for ourselves is slowly being TAKEN AWAY................it's not the Marijuana that is making people unmotivated.
  • pjtaper
    pjtaper Posts: 3,020
    I remember in high school some dude told us since the female plant does all the budding(for smoking), you will grow breasts if you smoke too much...
    I'm still waiting, nothing yet!
  • 1970RR
    1970RR Posts: 281
    MarylandTeacher wrote:
    but there are many who buy their smoke from some guy. While sucking down that last bong hit, it's easy for us to forget how ruthless the drug manufacturers are, carving out their territory on the backs of the innocent. Bogotá, Columbia is a perfect example of a ruined country. Bogotá became a narco-democracy for the better part of 10 years. The Cocaine Trade ran the entire country of Columbia during the late 1980’s/early 1990’s.

    Does anyone remember Pablo Escobar? Cocaine didn’t just “find” its way to the US. Somewhere along the line, there were bribes, beatings, executions, extortions, and lives were ruined. The casual drug user may not realize that. For every dime bag that lands in the pocket of a middle school student, countless lives were compromised, if not ruined outright, to get that kid his ganja. And while the marijuana trade may not be as ruthless as the Columbian Drug Cartels, the argument still rings true.

    ….not a sermon, just my spin.
    Once again, these problems are caused by the prohibition of these substances - not the drugs themselves.
  • pjtaper
    pjtaper Posts: 3,020
    1970RR wrote:
    Once again, these problems are caused by the prohibition of these substances - not the drugs themselves.
    In Denver, people have growers permits... I doubt anyone has died between the grower's house and the hippie dealers out here, unless maybe they got in a car accident or were hit by lightning...
    Growing permits are nice!
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    know1 wrote:
    I heard a story on the news a few weeks ago about a mom stoned out while her toddlers were outside roaming the streets. I guess that could be a negative side...


    That has nothing to do with weed, but rather parenting. Smoking weed wouldn't cause that. Falling asleep and leaving the from door unlocked could cause that.
    You read some propaganda, bought into it, and repeated it.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • upina2001
    upina2001 Indiana Posts: 764
    jesus made herb.
    jesus smoked herb.

    what's good for jesus is good for me.
    smoke 'em if you've got 'em!!! :D

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  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    That has nothing to do with weed, but rather parenting. Smoking weed wouldn't cause that. Falling asleep and leaving the from door unlocked could cause that.
    You read some propaganda, bought into it, and repeated it.
    So do you also believe it's propaganda when a drunk driver falls asleep while driving and kills someone and alcohol is blamed?
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  • 1970RR
    1970RR Posts: 281
    surferdude wrote:
    So do you also believe it's propaganda when a drunk driver falls asleep while driving and kills someone and alcohol is blamed?
    I am sure that the NHTSA & MADD are just as prone to propoganda and misleading statistics as the ONDCP & DEA.
  • Pegasus
    Pegasus Posts: 3,754
    Ii enjoy(ed) the occasional join but having worked in Mental Health services (not in the medical side but close contacts with heavy patients), I know for a fact that it is a triggering\aggravating factor in people with\susceptible to mental illness.

    the heavier the use, the higher the risk.
    if you look closely on the effect on yourself, you will see why: hallucination, vivid dreams..disconnection with reality which is the problem with mental illness is enhanced by drugs, pot being the most easily available and most sociably acceptable with alcohol..but alcohol doesn't quite has the same 'disconnection' effect..
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    surferdude wrote:
    So do you also believe it's propaganda when a drunk driver falls asleep while driving and kills someone and alcohol is blamed?


    No I blame the person for making poor decisions. You don't see everyone doing that after drinking do you?

    Lot's of people don't drink and drive...why is that?
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    upina2001 wrote:
    jesus made herb.
    jesus smoked herb.

    what's good for jesus is good for me.
    smoke 'em if you've got 'em!!! :D


    Genesis 1:29 "Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

    edit alternate:

    Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    soulsinging wrote:
    it reads like you're saying anyone who ever uses any substance is automatically by default abusing it. if i got mangled in a car wreck, sorry, but you can take your pain management and shove it. give me a fucking morphine drip, not some psycho-babble bullshit.
    I made my claims pertaining to substance abuse. Particularly when I differentiated between substance abuse and legitimate problem solving. Any misconstruing you've done with that is in your intepretation.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    soulsinging wrote:
    angelica wrote:
    I choose what I think, say and do, as you choose for yourself what you think, say and do. Fair is fair. I'm perfectly fine with that. If you are not comfortable with my perspective and the fact that I have shared it, I can accept that.
    you and dreamn should start a clinic for passive-aggressive mind fucking ;)

    Right, because being direct is the same as being passively-agressive.

    You know what they say about when you point the finger.........
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • brain of c
    brain of c Posts: 5,213
    it's ill eagle
    d'oh!!!!!!

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    brain of c wrote:
    it's ill eagle

    The worst kind of (bald) eagle...
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    God smoked weed man..it's in the bible...Jesus smoked weed too...he was of the father...one and the same... self proclaimed... risen... came again... and all that..he created it to be consumed as it was written.

    So pack that in your pipe and honk on it!!...lol
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    i don't side with the negatives, and because of that, they don't side with me.


    tell me if that makes sense.
  • MarylandTeacher
    MarylandTeacher Posts: 233
    PJPOWER wrote:
    I've also heard that obesity lowers the production of testosterone...........yet Doritos and Happy Meals are still legal? I say, sell them just like cigarettes..........put a freaking warning label on them with the possible risks and let the informed people weigh those risks on their own................And we wonder why so many people use someone else (a.k.a the Government) to think for them these days.....................Our ability to think for ourselves is slowly being TAKEN AWAY................it's not the Marijuana that is making people unmotivated.

    The country has numerous problems, from obesity to the use of gateway drugs. Making things illegal still won't stop those determined to use. As an educator, I cringe at the thought of some kid sparking up that first joint, because I've seen the damage that prolonged "casual" drug use causes. The bottom line: if you are a parent, do you want to see a joint in the hand of your 13 year old? I know I don't ever want to see that, and I can think for my self, without help or guidance.
    Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.
  • MarylandTeacher
    MarylandTeacher Posts: 233
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    The worst kind of (bald) eagle...

    that poor eagle....no hair...so sad. :(
    Dalai Lama—To say that humility is an essential ingredient in our pursuit of spiritual transformation may seem to be at odds with what I have said about the need for confidence. But there is clearly a distinction to be made between valid confidence or self-esteem, and conceit - which we can describe as an inflated sense of importance, grounded in a false image of self.

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