my letter to the irs

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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abuskedti wrote:
    Actually you were seeking service from the IRS to help remediate your problems - in fact they provided this service to you at no additional cost.

    Hehe...it wasn't "my" problem. I received a notice to contact them, and I did. The cost to me was a wasted hour. But in all fairness to them, I would have probably wasted that hour elsewhere.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    jlew24asu wrote:
    maybe one day when you get a job or even better start your own business, you will understand the grip of handing over so much of your hard earned money.

    im going to be in the higest tax bracket most likely. im not overly worried about it. i dont feel the need to have a lot of bling and show off my income and even after taxes i should have plenty to meet my needs. if you're feeling squeezed by your income taxes then maybe you need to look at your budget again and try living within your means.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Nice letter, FFG. Unfortunately, it was probably more cathartic than anything. Most of the people reading those letters will be low grade federal employees who don't really care. They're just there for the paycheck and the federal govt benefits. If they happen to take it to a supervisor, it will be some mid grade manager who will sound just like Soulsinging. It will likely be someone bitter that they have an education but couldn't adapt to a competitive marketplace, so they sought sanctuary in a sector where they will be rewarded merely for breathing in and out, and not thinking too much or rocking the boat.

    I agree completely with the sentiments you expressed in the letter.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    sonicreducer wrote:
    we don't have enough say in how are taxes are allocated. i do not like to pay taxes. if i knew the majority of it was going for something worthwhile, then i wouldn't mind as much. it is very burdensome when i work 25 hours a week, but don't receive a paycheck b/c of health insurance and taxes. i am a bartender, which i know is partially the reason because of my tip claiming. it's just not fair to the college student who has to work. and i get most of them back. it is a waste of time.

    that's why you underdeclare your tips ;)
  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    soulsinging wrote:
    ill take that over jailtime for shortchanging becos nobody can make any damn sense of the tax code any day of the week.


    the above is why I can't get behind a flat tax. The gigantic tax code we have today is the bastard child of 1985's flat tax.

    Just another reason I support the Fair Tax.
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Abuskedti wrote:
    in fact they provided this service to you at no additional cost.

    You pay that cost every single goddam day. Why do people think they receive services at no cost? That is ass-backward thinking. Jesus Christ.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    jeffbr wrote:
    Nice letter, FFG. Unfortunately, it was probably more cathartic than anything. Most of the people reading those letters will be low grade federal employees who don't really care. They're just there for the paycheck and the federal govt benefits. If they happen to take it to a supervisor, it will be some mid grade manager who will sound just like Soulsinging. It will likely be someone bitter that they have an education but couldn't adapt to a competitive marketplace, so they sought sanctuary in a sector where they will be rewarded merely for breathing in and out, and not thinking too much or rocking the boat.

    I agree completely with the sentiments you expressed in the letter.

    rocking the boat? what power does any irs employee have to change the tax system? i believe that responsibility is congress's job. if im working at the irs, i wouldnt give a fuck about your tax philosophies either... write your congressperson, cos the irs cant do a damn thing about it and you're wasting their time.

    id also like to see your "marketplace" where everyone is a boss and nobody is a worker. your "educated competitive marketplace" folks would be useless and worthless without laborers to actually do your work for you.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    soulsinging wrote:
    rocking the boat? what power does any irs employee have to change the tax system? i believe that responsibility is congress's job. if im working at the irs, i wouldnt give a fuck about your tax philosophies either... write your congressperson, cos the irs cant do a damn thing about it and you're wasting their time.

    What power does any employee have to change anything about their job? What power does any person have to change anything about their life?
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    jeffbr wrote:
    Nice letter, FFG. Unfortunately, it was probably more cathartic than anything. Most of the people reading those letters will be low grade federal employees who don't really care. They're just there for the paycheck and the federal govt benefits. If they happen to take it to a supervisor, it will be some mid grade manager who will sound just like Soulsinging. It will likely be someone bitter that they have an education but couldn't adapt to a competitive marketplace, so they sought sanctuary in a sector where they will be rewarded merely for breathing in and out, and not thinking too much or rocking the boat.

    I agree completely with the sentiments you expressed in the letter.

    For the record I'm not so delusional to believe this letter will accomplish anything other than giving myself and maybe a few people some laughs.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    soulsinging wrote:
    id also like to see your "marketplace" where everyone is a boss and nobody is a worker. your "educated competitive marketplace" folks would be useless and worthless without laborers to actually do your work for you.

    It sounds like your ideal "worker" would be someone that simply follows the rules.

    People I hire, no matter the job, need to be able to think on their feet, respond to changing conditions, seek ways of doing things more efficiently and effectively, take instruction, but also provide feedback.

    Your philosophy is the ideal for a gov't manager. Mine is ideal for an entrepreneur.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    Abuskedti wrote:
    Actually you were seeking service from the IRS to help remediate your problems - in fact they provided this service to you at no additional cost.

    He wouldn't have those problems if the government did not rob him every day of his life.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    jeffbr wrote:
    You pay that cost every single goddam day. Why do people think they receive services at no cost?

    Because a very large portion of them do.
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Amen...the tax "refund" is such a scam. I don't understand why people want it -- you're paying them to effectively bury your money and then dig it up a few months later.

    I talked to a friend of mine last night and she was all excited that she was getting a $1,200 "refund". I asked her if I could borrow $100 and then just give it back to her six months from now. She didn't get it.........

    People honestly get mad when you tell them that a refund is a big scam. I just increased my withholdings to 4 (I'm single with no dependents), in the hopes of breaking even or even owing just a little. It increased my take home pay by $150 for a 2 week check. I'd rather spend it now than wait for another year to go by for them to give it back to me.
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  • trappedinmyradio
    trappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
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  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Amen...the tax "refund" is such a scam. I don't understand why people want it -- you're paying them to effectively bury your money and then dig it up a few months later.

    I talked to a friend of mine last night and she was all excited that she was getting a $1,200 "refund". I asked her if I could borrow $100 and then just give it back to her six months from now. She didn't get it.........

    How strange. I had this conversation with one of my co-workers just last night. I 'work it' so I pretty much break even. My co-worker asked me if I was upset because I wasn't getting much money back from the Feds. It was my money to begin with and it is NOT an interest-free loan from the gov't. I just prefer not to use the feds as a savings account.
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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    jeffbr wrote:
    What power does any employee have to change anything about their job? What power does any person have to change anything about their life?

    nothing and as much as they want to exercise. employees do not dictate policy to the government. nor should they. they are unelected. if decisions about taxation need to be made, they need to be made by the branch of the government that is elected and answerable to the people. not some upstart employee who thinks he knows better than everyone else in the country how the irs should operate.
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    jeffbr wrote:
    It will likely be someone bitter that they have an education but couldn't adapt to a competitive marketplace, so they sought sanctuary in a sector where they will be rewarded merely for breathing in and out, and not thinking too much or rocking the boat.

    Um, just so you know, professional positions (position requiring degrees) within the gov't are competitive and my experience has been that they pay better than the private sector.
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Pacomc79 wrote:
    the above is why I can't get behind a flat tax. The gigantic tax code we have today is the bastard child of 1985's flat tax.

    Just another reason I support the Fair Tax.

    what's the fair tax again? i don't recall the specifics.
  • Pacomc79
    Pacomc79 Posts: 9,404
    soulsinging wrote:
    what's the fair tax again? i don't recall the specifics.

    It's tough to go over in a post, the summations and rebuttals are over on the website.

    http://www.fairtax.org/fairtax/about.htm

    It's essentially a revenue neutral (and then some) national retail sales tax with a prebate paid to everyone with a social security number each month to ensure the people at the bottom are not getting screwed and paying taxes on the essentials of life etc.
    My Girlfriend said to me..."How many guitars do you need?" and I replied...."How many pairs of shoes do you need?" She got really quiet.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    baraka wrote:
    Um, just so you know, professional positions (position requiring degrees) within the gov't are competitive and my experience has been that they pay better than the private sector.

    I have also known a number of government "professionals" who looked longingly at what we were doing in the private tech sector, but were unable/unwilling to make the move due to their personal risk profile.

    If true, your comment highlights a VERY serious problem.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08

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