Rabbi Against Israel (Fox news interview)

he's entitled to his opinion. As a Jew I can tell you that it is the minority jewish opinion but it is certainly valid for him to think that.

well first let me say that I resent the fact that you expect me to defend the right of the Jewish people to self-determination. why does England have a right to exist? why does France? Why do the Palestinians have a right to a state? the reason is because they understand themselves to be a unique nation and seek to express their right to create a political community in which they, as a nation, will control their own fate. The same is true of the Jewish people. the fact that not all Jews subscribe to this desire doesn't invalidate it. not all Americans want to live in America or are American patriots. that doesn't mean America has no right to exist. second I would say that you have put your finger on the root cause of the conflict but not in the way you think. the cause of the conflict is that the arab world has never accepted Israel's right to exist. right of return, borders, water resources, etc, that's all details. that can be worked out, but only once the arab world accepts that not only that Israel is a fact that they can't change though they would sorely like to, but that Israel has just as much right to exist as any Palestinian state does.

MrBrian wrote:

If peace can only happen with the return of land and the right of return for the palestinian people then don't you think that should be the goal?

Maybe that is the problem. Why is it that Israel should concede the right to return? You could look at it from the other side and say, peace will only exist when the Palestinians and the rest of the Arab world recognize Israel's right to exist.

There are two partners in making peace. You can't make the argument that Israel is the only one holding up the process. Right now, the Palestinians have a government that doesn't even recognize Israel.

The Israelis have lived in that part of the land since biblical times and were exiled for about 2000 years after Nero sacked Jerusalem. The Israelis and the Palastians have a right to that land.

MrBrian wrote:

so then let me ask you this, why do you think israel should exist? Is it fair to take someone elses home? Is it fair to oppress another people? This is what israel is and what it does.

If peace can only happen with the return of land and the right of return for the palestinian people then don't you think that should be the goal?

what about pearl jam attracts anti semites? i dont get it. another one...

redrock wrote:

Maybe because 'return' implies palestinians/arabs/non-jews were there before and therefore it is their land, their home that has been taken away from them? You may want the arabs to recognise israel's right to exist, but for some of them (quite a number of them actually), it is their home, not some 'invader's' homeland. They have been exiled and are now living as refugees in other countries. Israel may be afraid to concede the right to return as, should all refugees return, israel may no longer be a completely jewish state.

having just returned from israel i can tell you first hand, unlike the hate mongers on this board, there are plenty of arabs living peacefully in israel today. from reading actual books, many palestinians fled during the many wars of arab aggression. their land was co-opted not just by israel but by jordan and egypt as well up until 1967. the palestinians were run out of jordan by King Hussein because they were such barbarcic fucks. they were then run out of lebanon by israel and the lebaneese. so to lay blame just at israel is just the same old scape goating of jews that has gone on for thousands of years. now that same hate comes in the form of anti - zionism. just ask ahmadnijad.

I could post the link of the palestinian who coverted and went against the palestinian cause.

but what does it mean?

MrBrian wrote:

so then let me ask you this, why do you think israel should exist? Is it fair to take someone elses home? Is it fair to oppress another people? This is what israel is and what it does.

If peace can only happen with the return of land and the right of return for the palestinian people then don't you think that should be the goal?

this quote shows a total lack of understanding of the issue and is latently anti semitic. israel declared its independence pursuant to a UN directive and was then attacked from all sides by every arab country and from within by the palestinians. the arabs lost, and lost, and lost every single war of aggression against israel. so now they are oppressors? because they beat back every attempt to destroy them yet again? call them what you want. i call them survivors.

Ahnimus wrote:

Martin Luther King was a bigot. His reasoning was that the Jews are God's chosen people. Uh, I don't believe in God, so that's a bunch of nonsense. Not everyone in the world buys into the God delusion. I also know from reading the Bible and the Talmud that the Jews were banished by God, they lost God's favor.

I see the Brown Shirts have arrived. MLK a racist now? wow. No depths to your depravity. So you read the talmud ey? When pigs fly will I believe that. And if if your talking about the bible you can only be referring to the biggoted views of the new testament, becasue that ain't in the old one.

the face wrote:

I see the Brown Shirts have arrived. MLK a racist now? wow. No depths to your depravity. So you read the talmud ey? When pigs fly will I believe that. And if if your talking about the bible you can only be referring to the biggoted views of the new testament, becasue that ain't in the old one.

MLK simply didn't consider that some of us might not believe in a deity. You are racist though, that's obvious. You are racist against anyone that has an opinion about Israel, Zionism or Jews.