and you seem very eager to defend prejudice when it's your own.
Fuck off, I'm not prejudice, you self-centered prick. The whole world doesn't revolve around Israel damnit.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
and you don't realize the extent to which it is actually there.
I probably know just as well as you do. But I'm not ignorant enough to believe it's without a motivation.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
so racism is ok so long as racists can give you a reason for their racism. that's just great.
Alright, let me not get pissed off anymore. I want to apologize for using such harsh descriptive words. I know we can communicate this as rational adults.
It's like this, if you go around poking people in the ribs, someone is going to punch you in the face. I'm not saying that punching people in the face is right, but they wouldn't do it, if you didn't poke them in the ribs. Get it?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Alright, let me not get pissed off anymore. I want to apologize for using such harsh descriptive words. I know we can communicate this as rational adults.
It's like this, if you go around poking people in the ribs, someone is going to punch you in the face. I'm not saying that punching people in the face is right, but they wouldn't do it, if you didn't poke them in the ribs. Get it?
so it's the Jew's fault that people irrationally hate them because they go around "poking people in the ribs." see this right here is the problem. you're making excuses for racism when there is no excuse for it.
so it's the Jew's fault that people irrationally hate them because they go around "poking people in the ribs." see this right here is the problem. you're making excuses for racism when there is no excuse for it.
No, I'm not making excuses. I'm identifying the reasons that people act. Listen, in life, people act in certain ways. As individuals we can not control the way others act, we can only control the way we act.
I know that if I go to a bar and deliberately hit on some dudes girl, there is going to be trouble. So I don't do it. I don't think he is in the right for getting violently defensive of his woman, but I know how people react, so I try to avoid it.
Worry about your own actions and try not to instigate people like. I'll tell you, and it's probably apparent. I get awefully sick of people flinging anti-semitist stickers on anyone that mentions Israel in a critical manner. It leads me to believe that that's all Israelis know how to do. It doesn't stick, there is no substance to those claims, it's just fucking annoying.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
And I think it's wrong that people would dismiss anti-semitism with such ease given its history. you don't have to be a nazi to be an anti-semite. you can be one without going around raving about how much you hate Jews. it's the same as the fact that people who view themselves as good people who don't hate anyone could still have certain beliefs and stereotypes about black people that would be considered racist. bigotry is dangerous because it is not always obvious. so yeah, anti-semitism gets thrown around alot, but there's alot of it out there, and us Jews have learned to be on the look out for it cause we know what it leads to.
I'm not dismissing anti-semitism, but I believe the term does get thrown around a bit much. Also for you information I know the history of anti-semetism. My ancestors where Spainish Jews who where forced to convert to Christianity or suffer. So there is need to preach to me about anti-semetism. Also as a hispanic I've had to face racism as well. So I know how to see behind a veil that some racist may hide behind. It was never much of an issue on this board, as of lately though it has, where any disagreement with Israel or any hint of not being pro-zionist automatically gets you branded an anti-semite, which I find repulsive. I'm sure you would not approve of me calling everyone who is in favor of deporting illegal immigranst racist simply because the majority are hispanic.
"When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads." - Ron Paul
I'm not dismissing anti-semitism, but I believe the term does get thrown around a bit much. Also for you information I know the history of anti-semetism. My ancestors where Spainish Jews who where forced to convert to Christianity or suffer. So there is need to preach to me about anti-semetism. Also as a hispanic I've had to face racism as well. So I know how to see behind a veil that some racist may hide behind. It was never much of an issue on this board, as of lately though it has, where any disagreement with Israel or any hint of not being pro-zionist automatically gets you branded an anti-semite, which I find repulsive. I'm sure you would not approve of me calling everyone who is in favor of deporting illegal immigranst racist simply because the majority are hispanic.
Actually you could make out a logical argument that anti-immigration is anti hispanic. Their is a very fine line in today's world between what is and what is not racism. It's alive and well. It's just behind different walls and calling itself different names. How about "ethnic cleansing"? Remember that one? Not too long ago. But what was it? An excuse to kill based on religion.
That shit is real. The reality is that in today's world, as opposed to say, the world of the 1930's, it is not politically correct to attack "the jews" as a group. But some people, not all people, find it ok to vent what is really their anti jewish disposition, which is still particularly entrenched in Europe, by instead attacking a state; Israel. I think there are a handful of people, and I wont name names, who are doing that rather than have a meaningful political discussion. That's what pisses me off....For a jew to not be offended by uninformed attacks on Israel is like saying to an Englishmans face that you hate England. Well of course the Englishman will pour his shitty Ale all over your head because he is, after all, English. He is going to be offended.
I am no apologist for Israel any more than I am an apologist for America....being an American. I did not vote for Bush in either election, yet now I have a bad rap abroad because I have an idiot for a President. It's not a nice feeling.
The point is, there is nothing wrong with a healthy political debate. But there just seems to be a lack of information by a handful of those on this board who seem as equally obsessed with attacking Israel's politics as those who are equally as obsessed with defending it.
To the attackers I would say this, if you really just hate jews, just say it. Otherwise, just shut the fuck up with this Israel crap unless you know anything about the history other than what you pick up on a two minute television story. Is that too much to ask?
The arabs hate Israel because of the way it was formed, it's not conjecture, it's fact and israel is still hated because of the way it continues to act, again fact.
I also don't think you even know what Semitism means, infact it's fairly obvious you have no idea what it means.
and because israel won many wars, does that mean that they were right? so it's fine to take what is not yours but as long as you are able to fend for it it's alright? you are such a silly person.
Tell us Mr. History. Just exactly how was Israel formed....Im waiting with bated breath for your interpretation of it.
"I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."
Churchill to the Palestine Royal Commission (1937)
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
"I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."
Churchill to the Palestine Royal Commission (1937)
harsh, I didn't realize Churchill was such an ass.
I'm going to go kill my neighbor now, because I can and that makes me better.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
"I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."
Churchill to the Palestine Royal Commission (1937)
And you quite properly identified the primary culprit behind the Israeli - Palestinian dilemna today. Churchill and the British......
That you missed a few history classes Mr. Ahnimus. You need not announce it.
Umm....
I don't want to continue to communicate this way "the face".
If you are capable of communicating on a more respectable level, I will join you.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Can you really create a post with nothing more than a video of some rabbi speaking against israel and NOT think your going to piss off every jew on the board? You cant be that stupid....Or maybe you can. How can conduct like this not be seen as offensive to any jewish person whether they support israel or not? This is why the phrase anti-semite is being thrown around. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck....its usually a duck.
No, I'm not making excuses. I'm identifying the reasons that people act. Listen, in life, people act in certain ways. As individuals we can not control the way others act, we can only control the way we act.
I know that if I go to a bar and deliberately hit on some dudes girl, there is going to be trouble. So I don't do it. I don't think he is in the right for getting violently defensive of his woman, but I know how people react, so I try to avoid it.
Worry about your own actions and try not to instigate people like. I'll tell you, and it's probably apparent. I get awefully sick of people flinging anti-semitist stickers on anyone that mentions Israel in a critical manner. It leads me to believe that that's all Israelis know how to do. It doesn't stick, there is no substance to those claims, it's just fucking annoying.
People don't call everyone that criticizes Israel an anti-semite. look at mammasan. he/she has criticized Israeli policies and no one got all defensive about it. all that happened was a discussion of what had been said. the difference is that the criticism wasn't presented in a tone that screamed blind hatred and mammasan didn't make any classically anti-semitic remarks about the Jews controlling the media or America or world financial markets, and there were no comments about the holocaust being cosmic come-uppence for the evil wrought by the Jews, and so forth and so on. go ahead and criticize Israel. that's fine. it's when your criticism of Israel goes starts to sound blindly hateful that people start thinking that perhaps there is something more sinister lurking behind your words (your here is general, just so you don't get immediatly defensive).
I'm not dismissing anti-semitism, but I believe the term does get thrown around a bit much. Also for you information I know the history of anti-semetism. My ancestors where Spainish Jews who where forced to convert to Christianity or suffer. So there is need to preach to me about anti-semetism. Also as a hispanic I've had to face racism as well. So I know how to see behind a veil that some racist may hide behind. It was never much of an issue on this board, as of lately though it has, where any disagreement with Israel or any hint of not being pro-zionist automatically gets you branded an anti-semite, which I find repulsive. I'm sure you would not approve of me calling everyone who is in favor of deporting illegal immigranst racist simply because the majority are hispanic.
I don't think any criticism of Israel gets you branded an anti-semite. you have made comments critical of Israeli policy and I wouldn't say that you are an anti-semite. that said, some of the other people posting on the train are so blindly hateful that I cannot help but be put on edge by their comments, and when people start actually making comments about Jewish control of the media and the financial system and American policy, all of which are classically anti-semitic paranoia, then it is hard not to come to the conclusion that at some level they are either actively anti-semitic, or at the very least have internalized anti-semitism to some extent.
People don't call everyone that criticizes Israel an anti-semite. look at mammasan. he/she has criticized Israeli policies and no one got all defensive about it. all that happened was a discussion of what had been said. the difference is that the criticism wasn't presented in a tone that screamed blind hatred and mammasan didn't make any classically anti-semitic remarks about the Jews controlling the media or America or world financial markets, and there were no comments about the holocaust being cosmic come-uppence for the evil wrought by the Jews, and so forth and so on. go ahead and criticize Israel. that's fine. it's when your criticism of Israel goes starts to sound blindly hateful that people start thinking that perhaps there is something more sinister lurking behind your words (your here is general, just so you don't get immediatly defensive).
Excuse me? Classical anti-semitic remarks? WTF is that?
Dude, I am part of a group of wife-beaters, indian killers and black oppressors. I take that shit all the time, because it was true. Don't be so blind that you can't see your own race history. No one is calling for the death of Jews or anything of the sort. Just identifying with specific events and using logic to understand the present.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
classic anti-semitic remarks in that the same ideas have been used over and over and over again to stir up fear and hatred of Jews. Ideas such as Jewish control of finance, or the media, or of the world, etc, etc, none of which is true. I have no problem with talking about the history of my people. However my people has never controlled the media, or finance, or America. All of these beliefs are anti-semitic and have very long histories in the West, which is why I call them classically anti-semitic.
classic anti-semitic remarks in that the same ideas have been used over and over and over again to stir up fear and hatred of Jews. Ideas such as Jewish control of finance, or the media, or of the world, etc, etc, none of which is true. I have no problem with talking about the history of my people. However my people has never controlled the media, or finance, or America. All of these beliefs are anti-semitic and have very long histories in the West, which is why I call them classically anti-semitic.
So, the Rothschilds aren't Jewish?
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
classic anti-semitic remarks in that the same ideas have been used over and over and over again to stir up fear and hatred of Jews. Ideas such as Jewish control of finance, or the media, or of the world, etc, etc, none of which is true. I have no problem with talking about the history of my people. However my people has never controlled the media, or finance, or America. All of these beliefs are anti-semitic and have very long histories in the West, which is why I call them classically anti-semitic.
Actually, 96% of the media is 'controlled' by Jews because big media conglomerates are the hands of Jews, whether you look at AOL Time Warner, Viacom, Disney, Vivendi, etc. Just think 'Rupert Murdoch'. Just stating.... nothing anti-semitic about this.
Actually, 96% of the media is 'controlled' by Jews because big media conglomerates are the hands of Jews, whether you look at AOL Time Warner, Viacom, Disney, Vivendi, etc. Just think 'Rupert Murdoch'. Just stating.... nothing anti-semitic about this.
Of course, that statement is meant to summon the demons of hell to wage war against God's chosen people. Or something like that. lol
No, that's exactly it. I've also done the research.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Of course, that statement is meant to summon the demons of hell to wage war against God's chosen people. Or something like that. lol
No, that's exactly it. I've also done the research.
A friend's son is doing his media studies. Wrote a big paper on Murdoch and his far reaching tentacles! Scary... and again, I'm not saying this in a 'bash the jews' way (why do I feel I have to justify myself everytime). It's just scary that one person can have so much 'influence'.
classic anti-semitic remarks in that the same ideas have been used over and over and over again to stir up fear and hatred of Jews. Ideas such as Jewish control of finance, or the media, or of the world, etc, etc, none of which is true. I have no problem with talking about the history of my people. However my people has never controlled the media, or finance, or America. All of these beliefs are anti-semitic and have very long histories in the West, which is why I call them classically anti-semitic.
Himmler himself could not have written some of this shit better than Anus mouth.
People don't call everyone that criticizes Israel an anti-semite. look at mammasan. he/she has criticized Israeli policies and no one got all defensive about it. all that happened was a discussion of what had been said. the difference is that the criticism wasn't presented in a tone that screamed blind hatred and mammasan didn't make any classically anti-semitic remarks about the Jews controlling the media or America or world financial markets, and there were no comments about the holocaust being cosmic come-uppence for the evil wrought by the Jews, and so forth and so on. go ahead and criticize Israel. that's fine. it's when your criticism of Israel goes starts to sound blindly hateful that people start thinking that perhaps there is something more sinister lurking behind your words (your here is general, just so you don't get immediatly defensive).
mammasan has it right. anus mouth is just a nazi. clear as day
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Fuck off, I'm not prejudice, you self-centered prick. The whole world doesn't revolve around Israel damnit.
and you don't realize the extent to which it is actually there.
no it doesn't, but from the degree to which you and your's hatefully obsess over it you would think it does.
I probably know just as well as you do. But I'm not ignorant enough to believe it's without a motivation.
so racism is ok so long as racists can give you a reason for their racism. that's just great.
Alright, let me not get pissed off anymore. I want to apologize for using such harsh descriptive words. I know we can communicate this as rational adults.
It's like this, if you go around poking people in the ribs, someone is going to punch you in the face. I'm not saying that punching people in the face is right, but they wouldn't do it, if you didn't poke them in the ribs. Get it?
so it's the Jew's fault that people irrationally hate them because they go around "poking people in the ribs." see this right here is the problem. you're making excuses for racism when there is no excuse for it.
No, I'm not making excuses. I'm identifying the reasons that people act. Listen, in life, people act in certain ways. As individuals we can not control the way others act, we can only control the way we act.
I know that if I go to a bar and deliberately hit on some dudes girl, there is going to be trouble. So I don't do it. I don't think he is in the right for getting violently defensive of his woman, but I know how people react, so I try to avoid it.
Worry about your own actions and try not to instigate people like. I'll tell you, and it's probably apparent. I get awefully sick of people flinging anti-semitist stickers on anyone that mentions Israel in a critical manner. It leads me to believe that that's all Israelis know how to do. It doesn't stick, there is no substance to those claims, it's just fucking annoying.
I'm not dismissing anti-semitism, but I believe the term does get thrown around a bit much. Also for you information I know the history of anti-semetism. My ancestors where Spainish Jews who where forced to convert to Christianity or suffer. So there is need to preach to me about anti-semetism. Also as a hispanic I've had to face racism as well. So I know how to see behind a veil that some racist may hide behind. It was never much of an issue on this board, as of lately though it has, where any disagreement with Israel or any hint of not being pro-zionist automatically gets you branded an anti-semite, which I find repulsive. I'm sure you would not approve of me calling everyone who is in favor of deporting illegal immigranst racist simply because the majority are hispanic.
That shit is real. The reality is that in today's world, as opposed to say, the world of the 1930's, it is not politically correct to attack "the jews" as a group. But some people, not all people, find it ok to vent what is really their anti jewish disposition, which is still particularly entrenched in Europe, by instead attacking a state; Israel. I think there are a handful of people, and I wont name names, who are doing that rather than have a meaningful political discussion. That's what pisses me off....For a jew to not be offended by uninformed attacks on Israel is like saying to an Englishmans face that you hate England. Well of course the Englishman will pour his shitty Ale all over your head because he is, after all, English. He is going to be offended.
I am no apologist for Israel any more than I am an apologist for America....being an American. I did not vote for Bush in either election, yet now I have a bad rap abroad because I have an idiot for a President. It's not a nice feeling.
The point is, there is nothing wrong with a healthy political debate. But there just seems to be a lack of information by a handful of those on this board who seem as equally obsessed with attacking Israel's politics as those who are equally as obsessed with defending it.
To the attackers I would say this, if you really just hate jews, just say it. Otherwise, just shut the fuck up with this Israel crap unless you know anything about the history other than what you pick up on a two minute television story. Is that too much to ask?
Tell us Mr. History. Just exactly how was Israel formed....Im waiting with bated breath for your interpretation of it.
Churchill to the Palestine Royal Commission (1937)
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Under the Shadow of the British gun - Mahatma Gandhi
harsh, I didn't realize Churchill was such an ass.
I'm going to go kill my neighbor now, because I can and that makes me better.
And you quite properly identified the primary culprit behind the Israeli - Palestinian dilemna today. Churchill and the British......
That you missed a few history classes Mr. Ahnimus. You need not announce it.
Umm....
I don't want to continue to communicate this way "the face".
If you are capable of communicating on a more respectable level, I will join you.
People don't call everyone that criticizes Israel an anti-semite. look at mammasan. he/she has criticized Israeli policies and no one got all defensive about it. all that happened was a discussion of what had been said. the difference is that the criticism wasn't presented in a tone that screamed blind hatred and mammasan didn't make any classically anti-semitic remarks about the Jews controlling the media or America or world financial markets, and there were no comments about the holocaust being cosmic come-uppence for the evil wrought by the Jews, and so forth and so on. go ahead and criticize Israel. that's fine. it's when your criticism of Israel goes starts to sound blindly hateful that people start thinking that perhaps there is something more sinister lurking behind your words (your here is general, just so you don't get immediatly defensive).
I don't think any criticism of Israel gets you branded an anti-semite. you have made comments critical of Israeli policy and I wouldn't say that you are an anti-semite. that said, some of the other people posting on the train are so blindly hateful that I cannot help but be put on edge by their comments, and when people start actually making comments about Jewish control of the media and the financial system and American policy, all of which are classically anti-semitic paranoia, then it is hard not to come to the conclusion that at some level they are either actively anti-semitic, or at the very least have internalized anti-semitism to some extent.
Excuse me? Classical anti-semitic remarks? WTF is that?
Dude, I am part of a group of wife-beaters, indian killers and black oppressors. I take that shit all the time, because it was true. Don't be so blind that you can't see your own race history. No one is calling for the death of Jews or anything of the sort. Just identifying with specific events and using logic to understand the present.
So, the Rothschilds aren't Jewish?
Actually, 96% of the media is 'controlled' by Jews because big media conglomerates are the hands of Jews, whether you look at AOL Time Warner, Viacom, Disney, Vivendi, etc. Just think 'Rupert Murdoch'. Just stating.... nothing anti-semitic about this.
Of course, that statement is meant to summon the demons of hell to wage war against God's chosen people. Or something like that. lol
No, that's exactly it. I've also done the research.
then how do you explain Mel Gibson still getting movie deals
Himmler himself could not have written some of this shit better than Anus mouth.