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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    lucylespian wrote:
    And as I pointed out, everything in the world will have a spectrum described by a bell curve.

    All that original pic is , is the extremes of the curve.
    If "normal" can be defined as within 2 or 3 standad deviations from the mean, both those kids clearly lie beyond that at either end, but sadly, you actually must have those extremes for the whole system to exist. It is inescapable !! To pretend otherwise is to try to re-define the Universe. (Fuck, I sound like ahnimus now)
    It's also true that any individual's worst enemy is another member of it's own species. Nothing else competes quite as precisely for the resources you need and have access to.

    Nah.

    We've got the starving kid, and the obese kid, both victims...

    BOTH VICTIMS.

    Underscored with: Enjoy Capitalism.

    You've gone off on a tangent I don't really care to follow, but at least acknowledge that capitalism is not Mother Nature.
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  • hsewif
    hsewif Posts: 444
    gue_barium wrote:
    And there should be 100 billion definitions.

    I argue that capitalism and liberty are not the same thing, yet it seems there is a belief in this world today that they are the same thing.

    I asked a question pages ago and it hasn't been answered.

    How does that pic define capitalism?
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    hsewif wrote:
    you'll be thankfull for our guns when Iran starts dropping nukes.

    (we should stay on topic or start another thread)


    it is on topic...it's a link in the chain that is the blame governments have in this

    when i said 'our guns' it was referencing a post i had made in this thread already, not our guns as in the guns the US has, but the guns we sell to these corrupt governments
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    God I love warmongering...I honestly do...there is nothing better in life than a good ole' fashion war...especially when profit is to be had...

    I mean...that really does sum it up...

    I'll engage this discussion as far as I have, but when these are the underlying simplistic assumptions...again...we're on different planets and there's nothing to discuss.


    as far as the plight of Africa, a good book is William Easterly's "The Elusive Quest for Growth." Really interesting, and if you don't trust me, it was required reading from a liberal professor...it really is worth the read.

    I love women.
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  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    gue_barium wrote:
    Nah.

    We've got the starving kid, and the obese kid, both victims...

    BOTH VICTIMS.

    the obese kid is the farthest thing from a victim. personal responsibility, or the lack thereof, should belong to everyone. failing to exercise that responsibility does not equate to victimhood.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • hsewif
    hsewif Posts: 444
    El_Kabong wrote:
    it is on topic...it's a link in the chain that is the blame governments have in this

    when i said 'our guns' it was referencing a post i had made in this thread already, not our guns as in the guns the US has, but the guns we sell to these corrupt governments

    so we should blame our government for the choices its citizens make?
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    gue_barium wrote:
    I love women.

    yeah
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    hsewif wrote:
    I asked a question pages ago and it hasn't been answered.

    How does that pic define capitalism?

    It doesn't, to me.
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  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Some socialist countries are doing quite well. I think outside influence and interference also plays a big role in their success.
    The only socialist countries doing well are doing it while participating fully in capitalistic market. Why do people keep trying to mix economies and government structures? You could call the US a socialist country as it provides social assistance and a plethoria of government programs designed to help the poor. So I guess the US isn't capitalistic but in comparison Africa is.
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    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • hsewif
    hsewif Posts: 444
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    the obese kid is the farthest thing from a victim. personal responsibility, or the lack thereof, should belong to everyone. failing to exercise that responsibility does not equate to victimhood.

    totally disagree.

    The obese kid eats what the parent puts in front of him/her.

    We're not talking about an adult... the pic clearly shows a child. A child that young can't go to the store and buy his/her own food, or prepare a meal.

    that kid (and he might have some sort of thyroid issue..) is a victim.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    hsewif wrote:
    so we should blame our government for the choices its citizens make?

    what do you mean?

    i think if things happen b/c of the choices of a corrupt government then not only does blame belong to them but to anyone who helps, supports, ARMS....them, as well.

    i'm saying ppl can't complain it's b/c their government is corrupt when we're fucking arming the corrupt goverhment in the first place!
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    the obese kid is the farthest thing from a victim. personal responsibility, or the lack thereof, should belong to everyone. failing to exercise that responsibility does not equate to victimhood.

    Children are innocent. I think you can at least acknowledge that.
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  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    hsewif wrote:
    totally disagree.

    The obese kid eats what the parent puts in front of him/her.

    We're not talking about an adult... the pic clearly shows a child. A child that young can't go to the store and buy his/her own food, or prepare a meal.

    that kid (and he might have some sort of thyroid issue..) is a victim.

    I know lots of kids that will not eat everything put in front of them...

    we are all responsible for what we do to ourselves, at any age, and in any circumstance.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    gue_barium wrote:
    Nah.

    We've got the starving kid, and the obese kid, both victims...

    BOTH VICTIMS.

    Underscored with: Enjoy Capitalism.

    You've gone off on a tangent I don't really care to follow, but at least acknowledge that capitalism is not Mother Nature.

    I'm not really on a tangent. I am still directly discussing the original pic and the implication that strvation in Africa is caused by the capitalist welath of the US which permits obesity in a child.
    I'm gonna side with you, in that both kids are victims. In response to the poster who said, tehy are not because of "personal responsibility", that does not kick in until adulthood. Both of these children are being failed by parenting and social systems which should be supportign their safe development.
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    hsewif wrote:
    I asked a question pages ago and it hasn't been answered.

    How does that pic define capitalism?

    the answer lies in this entire thread

    for instance, my reply to you about coca-cola...i could put a picture of an american kid in a water park next to a pic of a kid in india(?) where coke privatizes their water....why do they do that? are ppl honestly saying coca-cola privatizing water has nothing to do w/ capitalism??
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    I know lots of kids that will not eat everything put in front of them...

    we are all responsible for what we do to ourselves, at any age, and in any circumstance.


    if i drop a sack of coke in front of a former addict do i have any blame if he uses? if i bring a case of beer and put it in front of a recovering alcoholic do i have any blame if they 'fall off the wagon'? while i didn't force them to ingest the substances i am to blame

    plus children do not fully have the capaicty to make wise decisions and use reason as well as an adult does.

    if i gave heroin to a child can i tell the cops 'well, i didn't force him to use it!'
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    gue_barium wrote:
    Children are innocent. I think you can at least acknowledge that.

    Yeah I agree to a certain extent...but I'm not sure wolfing down ungodly amounts of food to your own pleaser is "innocent." at what point do ppl (El Kabong 2007) take responsibility for themselves?
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • hsewif
    hsewif Posts: 444
    El_Kabong wrote:
    what do you mean?

    i think if things happen b/c of the choices of a corrupt government then not only does blame belong to them but to anyone who helps, supports, ARMS....them, as well.

    i'm saying ppl can't complain it's b/c their government is corrupt when we're fucking arming the corrupt goverhment in the first place!

    just because a McDonalds is on every corner... that doesn't mean that I have to eat there!!!

    and a little FYI...corruption happens in every political party. Dem, Rep, Ind, Green or other...it doesn't matter and that will never change. Never in a google years.
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    El_Kabong wrote:
    if i drop a sack of coke in front of a former addict do i have any blame if he uses? if i bring a case of beer and put it in front of a recovering alcoholic do i have any blame if they 'fall off the wagon'? while i didn't force them to ingest the substances i am to blame

    plus children do not fully have the capaicty to make wise decisions and use reason as well as an adult does.

    if i gave heroin to a child can i tell the cops 'well, i didn't force him to use it!'

    In the first paragraph, no you are not to blame, ultimately the indvidual makes a choice.

    Second paragraph, obviously children need guidence...but when adults are so narcissistic, and children are an afterthought, we are left in a situation where they need to grow up faster. to the point at hand, i don't think stuffing your face until you pass out assumes the notion of victimhood. i don't know if that's necessarily a wise decision...it seems like common sense, and if adults are too self absorbed to not tell their children no, then the kids need to wake up on their own.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    El_Kabong wrote:
    the answer lies in this entire thread

    for instance, my reply to you about coca-cola...i could put a picture of an american kid in a water park next to a pic of a kid in india(?) where coke privatizes their water....why do they do that? are ppl honestly saying coca-cola privatizing water has nothing to do w/ capitalism??

    I think I need to get up to speed here. Are you saying that Coca-Cola corp owns the water supplies in India and sells it to the population ?? Is that true ??
    If it is true, I would say it has to do with corruption and not with capitalism.
    Music is not a competetion.

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