so we should blame our government for the choices its citizens make?
what do you mean?
i think if things happen b/c of the choices of a corrupt government then not only does blame belong to them but to anyone who helps, supports, ARMS....them, as well.
i'm saying ppl can't complain it's b/c their government is corrupt when we're fucking arming the corrupt goverhment in the first place!
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
the obese kid is the farthest thing from a victim. personal responsibility, or the lack thereof, should belong to everyone. failing to exercise that responsibility does not equate to victimhood.
Children are innocent. I think you can at least acknowledge that.
The obese kid eats what the parent puts in front of him/her.
We're not talking about an adult... the pic clearly shows a child. A child that young can't go to the store and buy his/her own food, or prepare a meal.
that kid (and he might have some sort of thyroid issue..) is a victim.
I know lots of kids that will not eat everything put in front of them...
we are all responsible for what we do to ourselves, at any age, and in any circumstance.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
We've got the starving kid, and the obese kid, both victims...
BOTH VICTIMS.
Underscored with: Enjoy Capitalism.
You've gone off on a tangent I don't really care to follow, but at least acknowledge that capitalism is not Mother Nature.
I'm not really on a tangent. I am still directly discussing the original pic and the implication that strvation in Africa is caused by the capitalist welath of the US which permits obesity in a child.
I'm gonna side with you, in that both kids are victims. In response to the poster who said, tehy are not because of "personal responsibility", that does not kick in until adulthood. Both of these children are being failed by parenting and social systems which should be supportign their safe development.
I asked a question pages ago and it hasn't been answered.
How does that pic define capitalism?
the answer lies in this entire thread
for instance, my reply to you about coca-cola...i could put a picture of an american kid in a water park next to a pic of a kid in india(?) where coke privatizes their water....why do they do that? are ppl honestly saying coca-cola privatizing water has nothing to do w/ capitalism??
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I know lots of kids that will not eat everything put in front of them...
we are all responsible for what we do to ourselves, at any age, and in any circumstance.
if i drop a sack of coke in front of a former addict do i have any blame if he uses? if i bring a case of beer and put it in front of a recovering alcoholic do i have any blame if they 'fall off the wagon'? while i didn't force them to ingest the substances i am to blame
plus children do not fully have the capaicty to make wise decisions and use reason as well as an adult does.
if i gave heroin to a child can i tell the cops 'well, i didn't force him to use it!'
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Children are innocent. I think you can at least acknowledge that.
Yeah I agree to a certain extent...but I'm not sure wolfing down ungodly amounts of food to your own pleaser is "innocent." at what point do ppl (El Kabong 2007) take responsibility for themselves?
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
i think if things happen b/c of the choices of a corrupt government then not only does blame belong to them but to anyone who helps, supports, ARMS....them, as well.
i'm saying ppl can't complain it's b/c their government is corrupt when we're fucking arming the corrupt goverhment in the first place!
just because a McDonalds is on every corner... that doesn't mean that I have to eat there!!!
and a little FYI...corruption happens in every political party. Dem, Rep, Ind, Green or other...it doesn't matter and that will never change. Never in a google years.
if i drop a sack of coke in front of a former addict do i have any blame if he uses? if i bring a case of beer and put it in front of a recovering alcoholic do i have any blame if they 'fall off the wagon'? while i didn't force them to ingest the substances i am to blame
plus children do not fully have the capaicty to make wise decisions and use reason as well as an adult does.
if i gave heroin to a child can i tell the cops 'well, i didn't force him to use it!'
In the first paragraph, no you are not to blame, ultimately the indvidual makes a choice.
Second paragraph, obviously children need guidence...but when adults are so narcissistic, and children are an afterthought, we are left in a situation where they need to grow up faster. to the point at hand, i don't think stuffing your face until you pass out assumes the notion of victimhood. i don't know if that's necessarily a wise decision...it seems like common sense, and if adults are too self absorbed to not tell their children no, then the kids need to wake up on their own.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
for instance, my reply to you about coca-cola...i could put a picture of an american kid in a water park next to a pic of a kid in india(?) where coke privatizes their water....why do they do that? are ppl honestly saying coca-cola privatizing water has nothing to do w/ capitalism??
I think I need to get up to speed here. Are you saying that Coca-Cola corp owns the water supplies in India and sells it to the population ?? Is that true ??
If it is true, I would say it has to do with corruption and not with capitalism.
and a little FYI...corruption happens in every political party. Dem, Rep, Ind, Green or other...it doesn't matter and that will never change. Never in a google years.
of course, but just 'b/c it happens' doesn't mean we HAVE to support it!! so, it doesn't matter if i sell a bunch of weapons to or give financial support to some group like al qaida, right? it's gonna happen anway and not change so it doesn't matter
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I think I need to get up to speed here. Are you saying that Coca-Cola corp owns the water supplies in India and sells it to the population ?? Is that true ??
If it is true, I would say it has to do with corruption and not with capitalism.
corruption within the capitalistic system
i think it was india and i don't think it's the entire country they do it in...but yes, coca-cola privatizes water sources where it is illegal to even collect the rain water
why is it corrupt?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
for instance, my reply to you about coca-cola...i could put a picture of an american kid in a water park next to a pic of a kid in india(?) where coke privatizes their water....why do they do that? are ppl honestly saying coca-cola privatizing water has nothing to do w/ capitalism??
Sorry, I missed that post and shouldn't you be asking the people of India? Really.. is the US to blame for what coke does in other countries?
In the first paragraph, no you are not to blame, ultimately the indvidual makes a choice.
Second paragraph, obviously children need guidence...but when adults are so narcissistic, and children are an afterthought, we are left in a situation where they need to grow up faster. to the point at hand, i don't think stuffing your face until you pass out assumes the notion of victimhood. i don't know if that's necessarily a wise decision...it seems like common sense, and if adults are too self absorbed to not tell their children no, then the kids need to wake up on their own.
but if i know the history i'm still partly to blame, to me anyways
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Sorry, I missed that post and shouldn't you be asking the people of India? Really.. is the US to blame for what coke does in other countries?
i thought we were talking about capitalism? i think capitalism plays a very large part in that
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
for instance, my reply to you about coca-cola...i could put a picture of an american kid in a water park next to a pic of a kid in india(?) where coke privatizes their water....why do they do that? are ppl honestly saying coca-cola privatizing water has nothing to do w/ capitalism??
Coca-Cola cannot privatize water. Please do some rational thinking. All Coke can do is go into a country that has already privatized water and buy up the resource or lobby a government to allow the privatization of water then buy up the resource. The exact same type of lobbying that people like Michael Moore do to try to get their desires enacted as legislation.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
i think it was india and i don't think it's the entire country they do it in...but yes, coca-cola privatizes water sources where it is illegal to even collect the rain water
why is it corrupt?
I'm gonna assert that the government must have privatised the water, adn Coke won the tender.
The same corruption could occur in a socialist or communist system. What kind of short-sighted wanker would sell their own countries rainwater to a foreign corporation ??
but if i know the history i'm still partly to blame, to me anyways
partly yes...but that person still has a choice...and they are ultimately responsible for their own choices...not those presented to them.
man i'm sounding like john locke again
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Coca-Cola cannot privatize water. Please do some rational thinking. All Coke can do is go into a country that has already privatized water and buy up the resource or lobby a government to allow the privatization of water then buy up the resource. The exact same type of lobbying that people like Michael Moore do to try to get their desires enacted as legislation.
so that makes it ok, b/c a corrupt government said they could do it!?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
partly yes...but that person still has a choice...and they are ultimately responsible for their own choices...not those presented to them.
man i'm sounding like john locke again
maybe it was a sacrifice the island demanded?
of course they are ultimately responsible, i'm just saying i would still have *some* blame in it
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
why do you think coca-cola would do it? for profit, right? what is the goal in capitalism? to make a profit, right?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
i think it was india and i don't think it's the entire country they do it in...but yes, coca-cola privatizes water sources where it is illegal to even collect the rain water
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Why does a government need to be corrupt to make a stupid decision in your world? Do you blame every poor choice you've made on your own corruption? You know that Coca-Cola cannot privatize water but continue to say they do and we are supposed to take any other arguement you have seriously because?????
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Why does a government need to be corrupt to make a stupid decision in your world? Do you blame every poor choice you've made on your own corruption? You know that Coca-Cola cannot privatize water but continue to say they do and we are supposed to take any other arguement you have seriously because?????
so, you think it was just a stupid mistake that india allowed it to happen? are you serious??? you think greed plays no part in these decisions?
ok, i will ammend it to coca-cola participates in water privatization, how's that?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
I'm not sure that's going to fly when people can't understand that tax cuts actually lead to more govt income....but why study economics when you can prey on emotion.
why do you think coca-cola would do it? for profit, right? what is the goal in capitalism? to make a profit, right?
I've been reading your posts about coca-cola and the water privatization thing, and yeah, i guess one could call it an evil of capitalism, but again, if you peel back the layers, isn't it really an affront to Liberty itself?
I think, in our times, we need to get out of the well-worn path of those arguments of capitalism vs socialism. They're already expecting that, and know how to deflect it.
1) they suck you into a debate: capitalism vs. socialism
so, you think it was just a stupid mistake that india allowed it to happen? are you serious??? you think greed plays no part in these decisions?
ok, i will ammend it to coca-cola participates in water privatization, how's that?
Well I'm sure you've bought or consumed a Coca-Cola related product at some point in your life so why don't you tell the truth and say "El-Kabong participates in privatizing water in India and doesn't care about people who die as a result."
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Comments
what do you mean?
i think if things happen b/c of the choices of a corrupt government then not only does blame belong to them but to anyone who helps, supports, ARMS....them, as well.
i'm saying ppl can't complain it's b/c their government is corrupt when we're fucking arming the corrupt goverhment in the first place!
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Children are innocent. I think you can at least acknowledge that.
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I know lots of kids that will not eat everything put in front of them...
we are all responsible for what we do to ourselves, at any age, and in any circumstance.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
I'm not really on a tangent. I am still directly discussing the original pic and the implication that strvation in Africa is caused by the capitalist welath of the US which permits obesity in a child.
I'm gonna side with you, in that both kids are victims. In response to the poster who said, tehy are not because of "personal responsibility", that does not kick in until adulthood. Both of these children are being failed by parenting and social systems which should be supportign their safe development.
the answer lies in this entire thread
for instance, my reply to you about coca-cola...i could put a picture of an american kid in a water park next to a pic of a kid in india(?) where coke privatizes their water....why do they do that? are ppl honestly saying coca-cola privatizing water has nothing to do w/ capitalism??
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
if i drop a sack of coke in front of a former addict do i have any blame if he uses? if i bring a case of beer and put it in front of a recovering alcoholic do i have any blame if they 'fall off the wagon'? while i didn't force them to ingest the substances i am to blame
plus children do not fully have the capaicty to make wise decisions and use reason as well as an adult does.
if i gave heroin to a child can i tell the cops 'well, i didn't force him to use it!'
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Yeah I agree to a certain extent...but I'm not sure wolfing down ungodly amounts of food to your own pleaser is "innocent." at what point do ppl (El Kabong 2007) take responsibility for themselves?
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
just because a McDonalds is on every corner... that doesn't mean that I have to eat there!!!
and a little FYI...corruption happens in every political party. Dem, Rep, Ind, Green or other...it doesn't matter and that will never change. Never in a google years.
In the first paragraph, no you are not to blame, ultimately the indvidual makes a choice.
Second paragraph, obviously children need guidence...but when adults are so narcissistic, and children are an afterthought, we are left in a situation where they need to grow up faster. to the point at hand, i don't think stuffing your face until you pass out assumes the notion of victimhood. i don't know if that's necessarily a wise decision...it seems like common sense, and if adults are too self absorbed to not tell their children no, then the kids need to wake up on their own.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
I think I need to get up to speed here. Are you saying that Coca-Cola corp owns the water supplies in India and sells it to the population ?? Is that true ??
If it is true, I would say it has to do with corruption and not with capitalism.
i....never said it did....?
of course, but just 'b/c it happens' doesn't mean we HAVE to support it!! so, it doesn't matter if i sell a bunch of weapons to or give financial support to some group like al qaida, right? it's gonna happen anway and not change so it doesn't matter
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
corruption within the capitalistic system
i think it was india and i don't think it's the entire country they do it in...but yes, coca-cola privatizes water sources where it is illegal to even collect the rain water
why is it corrupt?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Sorry, I missed that post and shouldn't you be asking the people of India? Really.. is the US to blame for what coke does in other countries?
but if i know the history i'm still partly to blame, to me anyways
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
i thought we were talking about capitalism? i think capitalism plays a very large part in that
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
I'm gonna assert that the government must have privatised the water, adn Coke won the tender.
The same corruption could occur in a socialist or communist system. What kind of short-sighted wanker would sell their own countries rainwater to a foreign corporation ??
partly yes...but that person still has a choice...and they are ultimately responsible for their own choices...not those presented to them.
man i'm sounding like john locke again
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
so that makes it ok, b/c a corrupt government said they could do it!?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=coca-cola+privatize+water
http://www.killercoke.org
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
how so? That has been my question all night.
maybe it was a sacrifice the island demanded?
of course they are ultimately responsible, i'm just saying i would still have *some* blame in it
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
why do you think coca-cola would do it? for profit, right? what is the goal in capitalism? to make a profit, right?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
C'mon man. Collecting rainwater is illegal?!
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that's a pretty good retort!
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
so, you think it was just a stupid mistake that india allowed it to happen? are you serious??? you think greed plays no part in these decisions?
ok, i will ammend it to coca-cola participates in water privatization, how's that?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Im sorry, I've been distracted... what did coca-cola do, exactly?
and what did India allow to happen?
I've been reading your posts about coca-cola and the water privatization thing, and yeah, i guess one could call it an evil of capitalism, but again, if you peel back the layers, isn't it really an affront to Liberty itself?
I think, in our times, we need to get out of the well-worn path of those arguments of capitalism vs socialism. They're already expecting that, and know how to deflect it.
1) they suck you into a debate: capitalism vs. socialism
And, They love it!
It goes nowhere.
perfect.
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when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley