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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    hsewif wrote:
    just because a McDonalds is on every corner... that doesn't mean that I have to eat there!!!

    i....never said it did....?

    hsewif wrote:
    and a little FYI...corruption happens in every political party. Dem, Rep, Ind, Green or other...it doesn't matter and that will never change. Never in a google years.

    of course, but just 'b/c it happens' doesn't mean we HAVE to support it!! so, it doesn't matter if i sell a bunch of weapons to or give financial support to some group like al qaida, right? it's gonna happen anway and not change so it doesn't matter
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    lucylespian wrote:
    I think I need to get up to speed here. Are you saying that Coca-Cola corp owns the water supplies in India and sells it to the population ?? Is that true ??
    If it is true, I would say it has to do with corruption and not with capitalism.

    corruption within the capitalistic system

    i think it was india and i don't think it's the entire country they do it in...but yes, coca-cola privatizes water sources where it is illegal to even collect the rain water

    why is it corrupt?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • hsewif
    hsewif Posts: 444
    El_Kabong wrote:
    the answer lies in this entire thread

    for instance, my reply to you about coca-cola...i could put a picture of an american kid in a water park next to a pic of a kid in india(?) where coke privatizes their water....why do they do that? are ppl honestly saying coca-cola privatizing water has nothing to do w/ capitalism??

    Sorry, I missed that post and shouldn't you be asking the people of India? Really.. is the US to blame for what coke does in other countries?
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    In the first paragraph, no you are not to blame, ultimately the indvidual makes a choice.

    Second paragraph, obviously children need guidence...but when adults are so narcissistic, and children are an afterthought, we are left in a situation where they need to grow up faster. to the point at hand, i don't think stuffing your face until you pass out assumes the notion of victimhood. i don't know if that's necessarily a wise decision...it seems like common sense, and if adults are too self absorbed to not tell their children no, then the kids need to wake up on their own.

    but if i know the history i'm still partly to blame, to me anyways
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    hsewif wrote:
    Sorry, I missed that post and shouldn't you be asking the people of India? Really.. is the US to blame for what coke does in other countries?

    i thought we were talking about capitalism? i think capitalism plays a very large part in that
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    El_Kabong wrote:
    the answer lies in this entire thread

    for instance, my reply to you about coca-cola...i could put a picture of an american kid in a water park next to a pic of a kid in india(?) where coke privatizes their water....why do they do that? are ppl honestly saying coca-cola privatizing water has nothing to do w/ capitalism??
    Coca-Cola cannot privatize water. Please do some rational thinking. All Coke can do is go into a country that has already privatized water and buy up the resource or lobby a government to allow the privatization of water then buy up the resource. The exact same type of lobbying that people like Michael Moore do to try to get their desires enacted as legislation.
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • lucylespian
    lucylespian Posts: 2,403
    El_Kabong wrote:
    corruption within the capitalistic system

    i think it was india and i don't think it's the entire country they do it in...but yes, coca-cola privatizes water sources where it is illegal to even collect the rain water

    why is it corrupt?

    I'm gonna assert that the government must have privatised the water, adn Coke won the tender.
    The same corruption could occur in a socialist or communist system. What kind of short-sighted wanker would sell their own countries rainwater to a foreign corporation ??
    Music is not a competetion.
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    El_Kabong wrote:
    but if i know the history i'm still partly to blame, to me anyways

    partly yes...but that person still has a choice...and they are ultimately responsible for their own choices...not those presented to them.

    man i'm sounding like john locke again :)
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    surferdude wrote:
    Coca-Cola cannot privatize water. Please do some rational thinking. All Coke can do is go into a country that has already privatized water and buy up the resource or lobby a government to allow the privatization of water then buy up the resource. The exact same type of lobbying that people like Michael Moore do to try to get their desires enacted as legislation.

    so that makes it ok, b/c a corrupt government said they could do it!?

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=coca-cola+privatize+water

    http://www.killercoke.org
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • hsewif
    hsewif Posts: 444
    El_Kabong wrote:
    i thought we were talking about capitalism? i think capitalism plays a very large part in that

    how so? That has been my question all night.
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    partly yes...but that person still has a choice...and they are ultimately responsible for their own choices...not those presented to them.

    man i'm sounding like john locke again :)

    maybe it was a sacrifice the island demanded?

    of course they are ultimately responsible, i'm just saying i would still have *some* blame in it
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    hsewif wrote:
    how so? That has been my question all night.

    why do you think coca-cola would do it? for profit, right? what is the goal in capitalism? to make a profit, right?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    El_Kabong wrote:
    corruption within the capitalistic system

    i think it was india and i don't think it's the entire country they do it in...but yes, coca-cola privatizes water sources where it is illegal to even collect the rain water

    why is it corrupt?

    C'mon man. Collecting rainwater is illegal?!
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  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    El_Kabong wrote:
    maybe it was a sacrifice the island demanded?

    that's a pretty good retort!
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    El_Kabong wrote:
    so that makes it ok, b/c a corrupt government said they could do it!?

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=coca-cola+privatize+water

    http://www.killercoke.org
    Why does a government need to be corrupt to make a stupid decision in your world? Do you blame every poor choice you've made on your own corruption? You know that Coca-Cola cannot privatize water but continue to say they do and we are supposed to take any other arguement you have seriously because?????
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    surferdude wrote:
    Why does a government need to be corrupt to make a stupid decision in your world? Do you blame every poor choice you've made on your own corruption? You know that Coca-Cola cannot privatize water but continue to say they do and we are supposed to take any other arguement you have seriously because?????


    so, you think it was just a stupid mistake that india allowed it to happen? are you serious??? you think greed plays no part in these decisions?

    ok, i will ammend it to coca-cola participates in water privatization, how's that?
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • SundaySilence
    SundaySilence Posts: 537
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    I'm not sure that's going to fly when people can't understand that tax cuts actually lead to more govt income....but why study economics when you can prey on emotion.
    not when adjusted for inflation
  • hsewif
    hsewif Posts: 444
    El_Kabong wrote:
    why do you think coca-cola would do it? for profit, right? what is the goal in capitalism? to make a profit, right?

    Im sorry, I've been distracted... what did coca-cola do, exactly?

    and what did India allow to happen?
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    El_Kabong wrote:
    why do you think coca-cola would do it? for profit, right? what is the goal in capitalism? to make a profit, right?

    I've been reading your posts about coca-cola and the water privatization thing, and yeah, i guess one could call it an evil of capitalism, but again, if you peel back the layers, isn't it really an affront to Liberty itself?

    I think, in our times, we need to get out of the well-worn path of those arguments of capitalism vs socialism. They're already expecting that, and know how to deflect it.
    1) they suck you into a debate: capitalism vs. socialism

    And, They love it!

    It goes nowhere.

    perfect.
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  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    El_Kabong wrote:
    so, you think it was just a stupid mistake that india allowed it to happen? are you serious??? you think greed plays no part in these decisions?

    ok, i will ammend it to coca-cola participates in water privatization, how's that?
    Well I'm sure you've bought or consumed a Coca-Cola related product at some point in your life so why don't you tell the truth and say "El-Kabong participates in privatizing water in India and doesn't care about people who die as a result."
    “One good thing about music,
    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
    ~ Bob Marley

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