Terrorism, seriously..

polaris wrote:

this post is a kin to the right calling obama a socialist ... not a lot of substance to be quite frank ... we all have a vision of what we want the world and their country to be ... instead of calling people whiners who don't see things like you seem to ... why not try and engage them in meaningful discussion?

polaris wrote:

well ... in retrospect - i can see your frustration with us ... i suppose at the end of the day we are looking at things from different perspectives and understandings ... already the foundation for any kind of meaningful discussion is weak ...

if we don't see the problem to be the same - then there's no way of coming to a solution ...

unifiedscene wrote:

I don't believe that's true. I have meaningful discussion with plenty of people coming from different perspectives or seeing different problems. I never have any problems with people on the right because they talk to me with respect and at least have the balls to say "sorry, but you're wrong." The problem I have with "you" (in the general sense, not you in particular) is the condescension. The attitude that the only reason I hold the views I do is because I'm ignorant and just need to be educated by you. There is no respect that the opposing views can come from a valid place... there's only one right perspective according to these people, and it's theirs. Everyone else is just too stupid to realize it. At least the neocons will admit to their narrow perspective and accept that your views might be well considered even if they're wrong. The left doesn't do this, they act open-minded and treat with narrow-minded prejudice, and your views are never valid unless you agree with them based on the same partisan blogs they read.

bootlegger10 wrote:

It would be great to get rid of terrorism, that way Muslims can go back to what they are good at, limiting rights for women, limiting free speech, limiting religion, etc....

The good ole days, right? You act like America is the cause of everything that is wrong in the Middle East, when in fact, Islamic fundamentalism plays the largest role.

unifiedscene wrote:

Because I've been trying to do so for months and months. There is no meaningful discussion with the likes of them. They have no answers, no solutions, no suggestions, nothing. All they have is criticism leveled at anyone and everyone who actually puts their money where their mouth is and tries to do something about it all... which is more than these people can say. They're like armchair coaches, sitting at home watching football... bitching about how the coaches and players are screwing everything up when they don't know the first thing about actually playing in the game because they never had the talent to be anywhere near it.

Don't tell me that their snide comments about Obama supporters being mindless sheep who will arm themselves the second he asks for soldiers is somehow a "meaningful discussion."

polaris wrote:

it's ultimately the thing that divides us all ...

MrBrian wrote:

Like I said, not everyone.

But you see, I do have something to base what I say on...it's called 'History'
is that not a good guide to base things on?

I also look at the lack of demands people made on Obama now, the excuces they make up for his blind support of Israel, his words on Iran and Russia.

Even now that he is picking the most hawkish of hawks, he's given a pass. That is not right and it's indeed a very good picture of what is to come.

catefrances wrote:

and right now hes a lame duck pardoning thanksgiving turkeys.

unifiedscene wrote:

I'm with you there. The whining and condescension from the left are starting to make me appreciate those right-wing Christian nutters. At least they're honest about believing themselves to be superior, these left-wingers are so disingenuously insulting. For 8 years, we heard about how Bush was an idiot and anyone who supported him was an idiot. Now it's Obama and he's a war-mongering idiot and anyone who voted for him is a brain-dead sheep. If Nader had won, these people would switch camps and start whining about how he's arming Palestine and complaining that his supporters are sheep.

These people have no real solutions to offer, they just like to complain and feel superior and martyred by spotting all the flaws in everyone else's ideas while being very careful to never advance any of their own. Why? Because that's actually really hard and they have no ideas other than that everyone else is wrong and probably secretly a fascist sheep. And even if they had any ideas, they wouldn't put them out for public debate because it would expose the fact that their ideas also have plenty of flaws and that their opium dreams of some utopian world peace orgy are absurd. This is an imperfect world where imperfect leaders make imperfect decisions in reaction to the irrational decisions of other leaders.

If Obama starts beating a war drum, I'll be first in line to be pissed off and ask him what the hell he thinks he's doing. I gave Bush the same benefit of the doubt until he started spouting his Axis of Evil bullshit. But just because I supported Obama and think he stands to do a much better job than the last administration does not mean he gets a blank check from me, or anyone else I know that supported him. Yes, we think he's good and yes we're hopeful that he'll be great. But that does not mean we're all blind and haven't learned anything over the last 8 years. Nor does it mean we're all brain dead sheep who had no idea what his stances were. They act like all we need is for them to grace us with a little bit of their blessed intellect and we will all see the light and realize Obama is actually Satan. :rolleyes:

Mutiny! he cried wrote:

Don't be too sure. What did Clinton do in the last days of his 2nd term?

He signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act which allowed credit derivatives, default swaps and futures contracts to be sold and traded w/ no regulation

Which coupled w/ the Gramm-Leach-Bliley act in 99 helped set the stage for this financial mess we're in.