Global Warming is a Hoax*

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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    Are you that thick?

    It's not fear mongering it is fact, take your head out of the sand and read some media outside your country.

    You are draped in propaganda, no country in the western world surparses it, hell probably the whole world.

    Whats so great about it is that you don't even knows it's happening.

    I got news for you we all don't live in america so we are not all as brainwashed as some of you appear to be.

    i'm sorry God.
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    jlew24asu wrote:
    but you dont?

    dude ... i've been reading about this shit for decades and have worked for climate change centers in the past ... i'm not getting my information from op-ed pieces in newspaper ...

    we've been discussing this topic for years on this board ... everytime someone posts some link to some "article" saying climate change is a fraud - someone instantly shows that the article is full of lies and is funded by the people this article means to expose ...

    what then happens is the poster ignores it ... and we re-do it again on future threads ...

    the whole earth is really old and we don't have enough data is the lamest of all the things peeps try to post here ...
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris wrote:
    dude ... i've been reading about this shit for decades and have worked for climate change centers in the past ... i'm not getting my information from op-ed pieces in newspaper ...
    ok cool.
    polaris wrote:
    we've been discussing this topic for years on this board ... everytime someone posts some link to some "article" saying climate change is a fraud - someone instantly shows that the article is full of lies and is funded by the people this article means to expose ...

    what then happens is the poster ignores it ... and we re-do it again on future threads ...
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    polaris wrote:
    the whole earth is really old and we don't have enough data is the lamest of all the things peeps try to post here ...
    why is it lame? you should know, being the expert that you are, how complex the earth, sun, and universe are. who are you to explain as fact that everything that is happening with climate is 100% due to X,Y, and Z. X= drinking bottled water, Y = driving an SUV, Z = republicans, etc etc. you cant.
  • fanch75
    fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    polaris wrote:
    the whole earth is really old and we don't have enough data is the lamest of all the things peeps try to post here ...

    I see what you are saying. That past climate changes happened naturally does not mean that this one is happening naturally.

    Still, I think it's not "lame" to bring up the idea. It's certainly a factor in the equation that needs considered.
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    jlew24asu wrote:
    why is it lame? you should know, being the expert that you are, how complex the earth, sun, and universe are. who are you to explain as fact that everything that is happening with climate is 100% due to X,Y, and Z. X= drinking bottled water, Y = driving an SUV, Z = republicans, etc etc. you cant.

    it's lame because if you take the time to actually educate yourself on the subject - you will see that your foundation is irrelevant ... but you haven't - it's obvious ...

    in any case - just so long as there are people willing to buy the bs that exxon funds - it's all good ... it's the nature of the beast ... and you are more than welcome to play along with everyone else ...
  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    polaris wrote:
    it's lame because if you take the time to actually educate yourself on the subject - you will see that your foundation is irrelevant ... but you haven't - it's obvious ...

    in any case - just so long as there are people willing to buy the bs that exxon funds - it's all good ... it's the nature of the beast ... and you are more than welcome to play along with everyone else ...

    just as long as there are people willing to buy the bs that environmentalist groups fund - its all good.

    There are liars on both sides. You find the truth through a rational approach, not through taking sides. Rational scientists are being ignored by this Newsweek article.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
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  • THC
    THC Posts: 525
    "majorities in Europe and Japan recognize a broad consensus among climate experts that greenhouse gases—mostly from the burning of coal, oil and natural gas to power the world's economies—are altering climate."

    The problem in America is that the most powerful lobbies...who litterally have meetings w/ the president and vice-president...and form our countries policies...are the Coal Industry, The Oil Industry...and the Natural Gas Industry. They are running our Country..and much of the world...and they will de damned if they lose their profits...no matter what!
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  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    Are you that thick?

    It's not fear mongering it is fact, take your head out of the sand and read some media outside your country.
    why? because for European scientist tells you?
    spiral out wrote:
    You are draped in propaganda, no country in the western world surparses it, hell probably the whole world.
    you love that word. when in reality you are so far drawn into your own propaganda world, but wait, im sorry, you call it fact.
    spiral out wrote:
    Whats so great about it is that you don't even knows it's happening.
    I dont know what is happening? global warming? sure I do. and its being caused by coal burning power plants. which is responsible for almost HALF of green gases. the other half coming from cars.

    so we have 2 problems causing global warming.

    cars

    coal burning power plants.

    neither are going anywhere for a long time. I guess I will just live in fear, like you, that the world will all melt away soon. o yea, and blame republicans.
    spiral out wrote:
    I got news for you we all don't live in america so we are not all as brainwashed as some of you appear to be.

    I got news for you buddy boy. I dont even watch TV. honestly, and as sad as it sounds, I get alot of my news information from the very board.

    I try to call it like I see it and do my own research. maybe you should try it. the garbage you see on TV in Europe is no different then what we see here. so get off your high horse.
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    I found this interesting that 1934 is now the warmest year in history and not 1998 due to a calculation error by Nasa and that 4 of the warmest years on record in the US were in the 1930's.

    http://dreadnaught.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/warmest-year-in-history-1934-according-tocorrected-nasa-climate-data/

    http://www.dailytech.com/Blogger+finds+Y2K+bug+in+NASA+Climate+Data/article8383.htm

    http://www.norcalblogs.com/watts/2007/08/1998_no_longer_the_hottest_yea.html

    I know this isn't peer reviewed science and simply adding data and crunching numbers but somehow this is going to be dismissed on here ... lol.
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    just as long as there are people willing to buy the bs that environmentalist groups fund - its all good.

    There are liars on both sides. You find the truth through a rational approach, not through taking sides. Rational scientists are being ignored by this Newsweek article.

    yeah ... cuz environmental groups will all be rich and all if they're word gets out ... :rolleyes: ...

    the rational approach is the IPCC ... these are scientists who have all had their work peer-reviewed ...

    again - feel free to educate yourself on the topic and figure it out on your own ... but saying there are liars on both sides without any real substance gets us nowhere ...
  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    polaris wrote:
    yeah ... cuz environmental groups will all be rich and all if they're word gets out ... :rolleyes: ...

    the rational approach is the IPCC ... these are scientists who have all had their work peer-reviewed ...

    again - feel free to educate yourself on the topic and figure it out on your own ... but saying there are liars on both sides without any real substance gets us nowhere ...

    What if the "peers" in the peer review process are all full of shit?

    I have no stake in all of this. If global warming is happening because of my car, fine! I'll do something about it if it is happening.

    The problem with you all is that you want global warming to be happening so badly because it fits your agenda. Big companies not doing the right thing! Hurting the little guy! It fits perfectly with your worldview. The little guy being hurt and dispossessed of his health and clean water!! Propaganda blah blah blah

    Me? I want to put CEOs in jail for illegal immigration - I have no allegiance to them. I just want the truth to come out and it won't come out if extremists hijack the issue because they hate business in the first place.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    What if the "peers" in the peer review process are all full of shit?

    I have no stake in all of this. If global warming is happening because of my car, fine! I'll do something about it if it is happening.

    The problem with you all is that you want global warming to be happening so badly because it fits your agenda. Big companies not doing the right thing! Hurting the little guy! It fits perfectly with your worldview. The little guy being hurt and dispossessed of his health and clean water!! Propaganda blah blah blah

    Me? I want to put CEOs in jail for illegal immigration - I have no allegiance to them. I just want the truth to come out and it won't come out if extremists hijack the issue because they hate business in the first place.

    but aren't you projecting your own agenda with your comments ... your blatant generalization that we are doing this just cuz we hate big corporations is sad and tragic ... it's like we got nothing better to do then to rail against exxon for no reason ... please - stop engagiing from a point of irrationality ... see it for what it truly is ...

    we believe this world does not belong to us as individuals and that actions in one area have consequences in other areas ... i'm not filled with irrational hate for all things multi-national ... who has the energy for that? ... it's about making positive changes for everyone and future generations ...
  • CorporateWhore
    CorporateWhore Posts: 1,890
    polaris wrote:
    i'm not filled with irrational hate for all things multi-national

    i really have a difficult time believing that
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
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  • even flow?
    even flow? Posts: 8,066
    fanch75 wrote:
    I see what you are saying. That past climate changes happened naturally does not mean that this one is happening naturally.

    Still, I think it's not "lame" to bring up the idea. It's certainly a factor in the equation that needs considered.


    Hold on a second here. People are passing past ice ages and whatnot off and using.................Science as their arguement. Yet, you are refuting exactly what you believe in in the first place. Strange you people are.
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    CorporateWhore wrote:
    i really have a difficult time believing that

    then that is your problem not mine ... and it probably is an indication of why you aren't listening to the message ...
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    I'm wondering what people feel is mankinds contribution to climate change. Do you feel we're responsible for 10% of the change? 50% of the change?

    To me this is the most unreported and unresearched aspect of climate change. As it's this number that dictates where dollars should be spent.

    Edit: The other important question is, Do you think that the effects of climate change are reversable? If so, what is the reversal time frame?

    Again this is an important question with regards to where and how money should be spent.

    If you think climate change is primarily manmade and reversable over a short period of time putting money into preventing climate change is the smart thing.
    If you think climate change is primarily manmade but not reversable over a short period of time putting money into both preventing climate change and adapting to climate change is the smart thing.
    If you think climate change is primarily natural and hance not reversable putting money into adapting to climate change is the smart thing.
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  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    surferdude wrote:
    I'm wondering what people feel is mankinds contribution to climate change. Do you feel we're responsible for 10% of the change? 50% of the change?

    To me this is the most unreported and unresearched aspect of climate change. As it's this number that dictates where dollars should be spent.

    over 90%
  • jlew24asu
    jlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris wrote:
    over 90%

    i love when people make up numbers.


    what percentage of people were responsible for climate change when THERE WERE NO PEOPLE? probably something more in the range of 80% right?
  • polaris
    polaris Posts: 3,527
    jlew24asu wrote:
    i love when people make up numbers.


    what percentage of people were responsible for climate change when THERE WERE NO PEOPLE? probably something more in the range of 80% right?

    educate yourself yet?
  • HANKTHELANK
    HANKTHELANK Posts: 89
    climate change might be happening, but human activity is not playing any part. Humans take up about 3-4% of the earths surface. The emissions that we release due to the burning of fossil fuels, is nothing comparled to those same emissions which are released during a volcanic eruption. Scientists have said that the eruption of Mount St. helens released the equivalent of 50 years worth of man made green house gases.

    All this man made global warming nonsense is a means for the people in control to tax the industrialised nations.....another step towards globalisation.

    Yes maybe the earth is heating up.......but we certainly have no effect.

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