Global Warming is a Hoax*

Eliot RosewaterEliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
edited August 2007 in A Moving Train
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  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    The propaganda machine is fighting hard on that one.

    It's not working so well now.
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    old news really ... people are easily duped ... because they wanna hear those things these guys make up ...

    anyways - this article won't change much cuz if you haven't figured out this shit is real (tornado in brooklyn) by now - you ain't gonna clue in unless your house is under 18 feet of snow in the summer ...
  • spiral out wrote:
    The propaganda machine is fighting hard on that one.

    It's not working so well now.

    I know what you mean. Lots of pro-global warming propaganda out there. They're spiraling out of control though.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    I know what you mean. Lots of pro-global warming propaganda out there. They're spiraling out of control though.

    exactly. funny how people define "propaganda".
  • jlew24asu wrote:
    exactly. funny how people define "propaganda".
    yeah, all those facts and such...
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    do you two guys know this article was written for you guys specifically??
  • jlew24asu wrote:
    exactly. funny how people define "propaganda".

    Instead of propaganda, maybe we could listen to allll of the scientists who disagree with the theory of global climate change instead of calling them propagandists.

    I suppose science takes a backseat to Newsweek's sheer brilliance.
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  • To be honest, I would have thought that bits of the polar icecap melting and breaking off as we speak was proof enough.
    no matter where you go,
    there you are.

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  • fanch75fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    To be honest, I would have thought that bits of the polar icecap melting and breaking off as we speak was proof enough.

    What about the ending of all those other ice ages throughout history?

    What caused those?

    Truthfully, I have no position on global warming because I have no idea. It's so predictably politicized and you're at the mercy of the deliverer of the information. It's eitehr happening or it's not, it's either caused by man or it's not, and that's it, and I wish all the politicking over this issue would go away.
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    yeah, all those facts and such...

    you want to know what causes global warming? green house gases. you know what causes green house gases? coal burning power plants. lets close those down and open nuclear power plants. o wait, no one wants to do that.

    ok , i guess i'll pay attention to all the "propaganda" and stop drinking bottled water.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    fanch75 wrote:
    What about the ending of all those other ice ages throughout history?

    What caused those?
    probably cave men and dinosaurs who drove SUV's
    fanch75 wrote:
    Truthfully, I have no position on global warming because I have no idea. It's so predictably politicized and you're at the mercy of the deliverer of the information. It's eitehr happening or it's not, it's either caused by man or it's not, and that's it, and I wish all the politicking over this issue would go away.
    yup
  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    Instead of propaganda, maybe we could listen to allll of the scientists who disagree with the theory of global climate change instead of calling them propagandists.

    I suppose science takes a backseat to Newsweek's sheer brilliance.

    OMG are you serious? it's fact, America is the only country that doesn't believe in global warming.

    Your corps are paying the scientists to write what they want you to hear.

    These corps are making more money out of destroying the planet but what are they going to with all that worthless paper when there is no population.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    polaris wrote:
    old news really ... people are easily duped ... because they wanna hear those things these guys make up ...

    I definitely think this goes both ways.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    OMG are you serious? it's fact, America is the only country that doesn't believe in global warming.

    Your corps are paying the scientists to write what they want you to hear.

    These corps are making more money out of destroying the planet but what are they going to with all that worthless paper when there is no population.

    coal burning power plants are the leading cause, by far, for green house gases. what are you going to do about that? o thats right, nothing. so spread your fear mongering elsewhere, im not buyin it.
  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    fanch75 wrote:
    What about the ending of all those other ice ages throughout history?

    What caused those?

    Truthfully, I have no position on global warming because I have no idea. It's so predictably politicized and you're at the mercy of the deliverer of the information. It's eitehr happening or it's not, it's either caused by man or it's not, and that's it, and I wish all the politicking over this issue would go away.

    I thought the same as you until i actually saw the facts i thought it was just speeding up but having looked at the facts now i can see that it is not natrual at all it is way above the usual trend.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    know1 wrote:
    I definitely think this goes both ways.

    of course you do!
  • chromiamchromiam Posts: 4,114
    fanch75 wrote:
    What about the ending of all those other ice ages throughout history?

    What caused those?

    Truthfully, I have no position on global warming because I have no idea. It's so predictably politicized and you're at the mercy of the deliverer of the information. It's eitehr happening or it's not, it's either caused by man or it's not, and that's it, and I wish all the politicking over this issue would go away.

    It's ashame more people can't see past the politics....
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  • JuberooJuberoo Posts: 472
    yep yep...we're just imagining all the changes in the earth. The rainforests are still there, they are just playing hide and seek behind the glaciers that aren't really melting into the oceans and all the flooding is just a giant game of marco polo going on with the supposedly extinct animals who are vacationing in the Dakotas because they are the new tropics.
    Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.

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  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    jlew24asu wrote:
    coal burning power plants are the leading cause, by far, for green house gases. what are you going to do about that? o thats right, nothing. so spread your fear mongering elsewhere, im not buyin it.

    Are you that thick?

    It's not fear mongering it is fact, take your head out of the sand and read some media outside your country.

    You are draped in propaganda, no country in the western world surparses it, hell probably the whole world.

    Whats so great about it is that you don't even knows it's happening.

    I got news for you we all don't live in america so we are not all as brainwashed as some of you appear to be.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

    The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris wrote:
    of course you do!

    but you dont?
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    Are you that thick?

    It's not fear mongering it is fact, take your head out of the sand and read some media outside your country.

    You are draped in propaganda, no country in the western world surparses it, hell probably the whole world.

    Whats so great about it is that you don't even knows it's happening.

    I got news for you we all don't live in america so we are not all as brainwashed as some of you appear to be.

    i'm sorry God.
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    jlew24asu wrote:
    but you dont?

    dude ... i've been reading about this shit for decades and have worked for climate change centers in the past ... i'm not getting my information from op-ed pieces in newspaper ...

    we've been discussing this topic for years on this board ... everytime someone posts some link to some "article" saying climate change is a fraud - someone instantly shows that the article is full of lies and is funded by the people this article means to expose ...

    what then happens is the poster ignores it ... and we re-do it again on future threads ...

    the whole earth is really old and we don't have enough data is the lamest of all the things peeps try to post here ...
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    polaris wrote:
    dude ... i've been reading about this shit for decades and have worked for climate change centers in the past ... i'm not getting my information from op-ed pieces in newspaper ...
    ok cool.
    polaris wrote:
    we've been discussing this topic for years on this board ... everytime someone posts some link to some "article" saying climate change is a fraud - someone instantly shows that the article is full of lies and is funded by the people this article means to expose ...

    what then happens is the poster ignores it ... and we re-do it again on future threads ...
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    polaris wrote:
    the whole earth is really old and we don't have enough data is the lamest of all the things peeps try to post here ...
    why is it lame? you should know, being the expert that you are, how complex the earth, sun, and universe are. who are you to explain as fact that everything that is happening with climate is 100% due to X,Y, and Z. X= drinking bottled water, Y = driving an SUV, Z = republicans, etc etc. you cant.
  • fanch75fanch75 Posts: 3,734
    polaris wrote:
    the whole earth is really old and we don't have enough data is the lamest of all the things peeps try to post here ...

    I see what you are saying. That past climate changes happened naturally does not mean that this one is happening naturally.

    Still, I think it's not "lame" to bring up the idea. It's certainly a factor in the equation that needs considered.
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    jlew24asu wrote:
    why is it lame? you should know, being the expert that you are, how complex the earth, sun, and universe are. who are you to explain as fact that everything that is happening with climate is 100% due to X,Y, and Z. X= drinking bottled water, Y = driving an SUV, Z = republicans, etc etc. you cant.

    it's lame because if you take the time to actually educate yourself on the subject - you will see that your foundation is irrelevant ... but you haven't - it's obvious ...

    in any case - just so long as there are people willing to buy the bs that exxon funds - it's all good ... it's the nature of the beast ... and you are more than welcome to play along with everyone else ...
  • polaris wrote:
    it's lame because if you take the time to actually educate yourself on the subject - you will see that your foundation is irrelevant ... but you haven't - it's obvious ...

    in any case - just so long as there are people willing to buy the bs that exxon funds - it's all good ... it's the nature of the beast ... and you are more than welcome to play along with everyone else ...

    just as long as there are people willing to buy the bs that environmentalist groups fund - its all good.

    There are liars on both sides. You find the truth through a rational approach, not through taking sides. Rational scientists are being ignored by this Newsweek article.
    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
    -Enoch Powell
  • THCTHC Posts: 525
    "majorities in Europe and Japan recognize a broad consensus among climate experts that greenhouse gases—mostly from the burning of coal, oil and natural gas to power the world's economies—are altering climate."

    The problem in America is that the most powerful lobbies...who litterally have meetings w/ the president and vice-president...and form our countries policies...are the Coal Industry, The Oil Industry...and the Natural Gas Industry. They are running our Country..and much of the world...and they will de damned if they lose their profits...no matter what!
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  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    spiral out wrote:
    Are you that thick?

    It's not fear mongering it is fact, take your head out of the sand and read some media outside your country.
    why? because for European scientist tells you?
    spiral out wrote:
    You are draped in propaganda, no country in the western world surparses it, hell probably the whole world.
    you love that word. when in reality you are so far drawn into your own propaganda world, but wait, im sorry, you call it fact.
    spiral out wrote:
    Whats so great about it is that you don't even knows it's happening.
    I dont know what is happening? global warming? sure I do. and its being caused by coal burning power plants. which is responsible for almost HALF of green gases. the other half coming from cars.

    so we have 2 problems causing global warming.

    cars

    coal burning power plants.

    neither are going anywhere for a long time. I guess I will just live in fear, like you, that the world will all melt away soon. o yea, and blame republicans.
    spiral out wrote:
    I got news for you we all don't live in america so we are not all as brainwashed as some of you appear to be.

    I got news for you buddy boy. I dont even watch TV. honestly, and as sad as it sounds, I get alot of my news information from the very board.

    I try to call it like I see it and do my own research. maybe you should try it. the garbage you see on TV in Europe is no different then what we see here. so get off your high horse.
  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    I found this interesting that 1934 is now the warmest year in history and not 1998 due to a calculation error by Nasa and that 4 of the warmest years on record in the US were in the 1930's.

    http://dreadnaught.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/warmest-year-in-history-1934-according-tocorrected-nasa-climate-data/

    http://www.dailytech.com/Blogger+finds+Y2K+bug+in+NASA+Climate+Data/article8383.htm

    http://www.norcalblogs.com/watts/2007/08/1998_no_longer_the_hottest_yea.html

    I know this isn't peer reviewed science and simply adding data and crunching numbers but somehow this is going to be dismissed on here ... lol.
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    just as long as there are people willing to buy the bs that environmentalist groups fund - its all good.

    There are liars on both sides. You find the truth through a rational approach, not through taking sides. Rational scientists are being ignored by this Newsweek article.

    yeah ... cuz environmental groups will all be rich and all if they're word gets out ... :rolleyes: ...

    the rational approach is the IPCC ... these are scientists who have all had their work peer-reviewed ...

    again - feel free to educate yourself on the topic and figure it out on your own ... but saying there are liars on both sides without any real substance gets us nowhere ...
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