yeah ... cuz environmental groups will all be rich and all if they're word gets out ... :rolleyes: ...
the rational approach is the IPCC ... these are scientists who have all had their work peer-reviewed ...
again - feel free to educate yourself on the topic and figure it out on your own ... but saying there are liars on both sides without any real substance gets us nowhere ...
What if the "peers" in the peer review process are all full of shit?
I have no stake in all of this. If global warming is happening because of my car, fine! I'll do something about it if it is happening.
The problem with you all is that you want global warming to be happening so badly because it fits your agenda. Big companies not doing the right thing! Hurting the little guy! It fits perfectly with your worldview. The little guy being hurt and dispossessed of his health and clean water!! Propaganda blah blah blah
Me? I want to put CEOs in jail for illegal immigration - I have no allegiance to them. I just want the truth to come out and it won't come out if extremists hijack the issue because they hate business in the first place.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
What if the "peers" in the peer review process are all full of shit?
I have no stake in all of this. If global warming is happening because of my car, fine! I'll do something about it if it is happening.
The problem with you all is that you want global warming to be happening so badly because it fits your agenda. Big companies not doing the right thing! Hurting the little guy! It fits perfectly with your worldview. The little guy being hurt and dispossessed of his health and clean water!! Propaganda blah blah blah
Me? I want to put CEOs in jail for illegal immigration - I have no allegiance to them. I just want the truth to come out and it won't come out if extremists hijack the issue because they hate business in the first place.
but aren't you projecting your own agenda with your comments ... your blatant generalization that we are doing this just cuz we hate big corporations is sad and tragic ... it's like we got nothing better to do then to rail against exxon for no reason ... please - stop engagiing from a point of irrationality ... see it for what it truly is ...
we believe this world does not belong to us as individuals and that actions in one area have consequences in other areas ... i'm not filled with irrational hate for all things multi-national ... who has the energy for that? ... it's about making positive changes for everyone and future generations ...
I see what you are saying. That past climate changes happened naturally does not mean that this one is happening naturally.
Still, I think it's not "lame" to bring up the idea. It's certainly a factor in the equation that needs considered.
Hold on a second here. People are passing past ice ages and whatnot off and using.................Science as their arguement. Yet, you are refuting exactly what you believe in in the first place. Strange you people are.
I'm wondering what people feel is mankinds contribution to climate change. Do you feel we're responsible for 10% of the change? 50% of the change?
To me this is the most unreported and unresearched aspect of climate change. As it's this number that dictates where dollars should be spent.
Edit: The other important question is, Do you think that the effects of climate change are reversable? If so, what is the reversal time frame?
Again this is an important question with regards to where and how money should be spent.
If you think climate change is primarily manmade and reversable over a short period of time putting money into preventing climate change is the smart thing.
If you think climate change is primarily manmade but not reversable over a short period of time putting money into both preventing climate change and adapting to climate change is the smart thing.
If you think climate change is primarily natural and hance not reversable putting money into adapting to climate change is the smart thing.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
climate change might be happening, but human activity is not playing any part. Humans take up about 3-4% of the earths surface. The emissions that we release due to the burning of fossil fuels, is nothing comparled to those same emissions which are released during a volcanic eruption. Scientists have said that the eruption of Mount St. helens released the equivalent of 50 years worth of man made green house gases.
All this man made global warming nonsense is a means for the people in control to tax the industrialised nations.....another step towards globalisation.
Yes maybe the earth is heating up.......but we certainly have no effect.
climate change might be happening, but human activity is not playing any part. Humans take up about 3-4% of the earths surface. The emissions that we release due to the burning of fossil fuels, is nothing comparled to those same emissions which are released during a volcanic eruption. Scientists have said that the eruption of Mount St. helens released the equivalent of 50 years worth of man made green house gases.
All this man made global warming nonsense is a means for the people in control to tax the industrialised nations.....another step towards globalisation.
Yes maybe the earth is heating up.......but we certainly have no effect.
hanky, buddy ol pal. whats up man I like this post. while I wont agree we have zero effect, but I like your thought process here.
climate change might be happening, but human activity is not playing any part. Humans take up about 3-4% of the earths surface. The emissions that we release due to the burning of fossil fuels, is nothing comparled to those same emissions which are released during a volcanic eruption. Scientists have said that the eruption of Mount St. helens released the equivalent of 50 years worth of man made green house gases.
All this man made global warming nonsense is a means for the people in control to tax the industrialised nations.....another step towards globalisation.
Yes maybe the earth is heating up.......but we certainly have no effect.
Bullshit.
Comparison of CO2 emissions from volcanoes vs. human activities.
Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1999, 1991). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 27 billion tonnes per year (30 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 2006) - The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2, through 2003.]. Human activities release more than 130 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of more than 8,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 3.3 million tonnes/year)! (Gerlach et. al., 2002)
Comparison of CO2 emissions from volcanoes vs. human activities.
Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1999, 1991). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 27 billion tonnes per year (30 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 2006) - The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2, through 2003.]. Human activities release more than 130 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of more than 8,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 3.3 million tonnes/year)! (Gerlach et. al., 2002)
All this man made global warming nonsense is a means for the people in control to tax the industrialised nations.....another step towards globalisation.
Now that really makes no sense as the people in control own the big corps and make the most money so why would they need an excuse to tax themseves even more.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
neither are going anywhere for a long time. I guess I will just live in fear, like you, that the world will all melt away soon. o yea, and blame republicans.
Erm i don't live in fear but i am aware, really are the republican responsible for all the global warming i thought it was the whole world. My bad
I got news for you buddy boy. I dont even watch TV. honestly, and as sad as it sounds, I get alot of my news information from the very board.
I try to call it like I see it and do my own research. maybe you should try it. the garbage you see on TV in Europe is no different then what we see here. so get off your high horse.
I'm not really a fan of the zombie box myself. But trust me your news is really bad far worse than anything here.
Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Hold on a second here. People are passing past ice ages and whatnot off and using.................Science as their arguement. Yet, you are refuting exactly what you believe in in the first place. Strange you people are.
Not really. I clearly stated I have no position because I don't know enough about the subject to discuss it really.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
confused? just because you here it from some scientist in Europe doesnt make it true.
says who? you?
I tried to understand this but I cant. you make no sense.
its the same shit. again, get off your high horse
I don't think I'm the only one who tires of your senseless flaming, and nonsensical, worthless point of views. If they can even be called points-of view.
And you're also a horrible speller.
I don't think I'm the only one who tires of your senseless flaming, and nonsensical, worthless point of views. If they can even be called points-of view.
And you're also a horrible speller.
you think I give a flying fuck what you think? booo fucking wooo. please, use the ignore feature. you wont have to worry about it. k?
show me one word I spelled wrong? unless you count my laziness for not adding apostrophes
you think I give a flying fuck what you think? booo fucking wooo. please, use the ignore feature. you wont have to worry about it. k?
show me one word I spelled wrong? unless you count my laziness for not adding apostrophes
You just don't get it.
The topic is global warming. You have have 10 posts on the topic, yet you have offered nothing to refute or substantiate in the debate that it is a "hoax".
The topic is global warming. You have have 10 posts on the topic, yet you have offered nothing to refute or substantiate in the debate that it is a "hoax".
did I say I think its a hoax? try reading what I posted again. then tell me which one of us doesnt get it. otherwise, go bother someone else, or go make a thread talking to yourself again.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Now that really makes no sense as the people in control own the big corps and make the most money so why would they need an excuse to tax themseves even more.
It makes sense. The Kyoto Accord is really a trade agreement dressed up as an environmental agreement.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
But why would honest and well-intentioned scientists want to hurt U.S. trade???
The scientists don't. But the politicians (primarily European) have found out that by taxing greenhouse gas producing nations and not greenhouse gas consuming nations (which is what the Kyoto Accord does) that the majority of the cost of addressing climate chaneg is borne by non-European nations and Europe does not have to make significant industrial or lifetsyle changes.
The politicians just used the science for justification for a very one-sided, pro-Europe trade agreement. The IPCC knows what hand feeds them and have taken some very politicized stances that far outstrip scientific stances.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
The scientists don't. But the politicians (primarily European) have found out that by taxing greenhouse gas producing nations and not greenhouse gas consuming nations (which is what the Kyoto Accord does) that the majority of the cost of addressing climate chaneg is borne by non-European nations and Europe does not have to make significant industrial or lifetsyle changes.
The politicians just used the science for justification for a very one-sided, pro-Europe trade agreement. The IPCC knows what hand feeds them and have taken some very politicized stances that far outstrip scientific stances.
Wait, so are you saying that global warming theory can be used for political ends? Like, foreign politicians use it to harm the interests of more powerful countries? My ears deceive me - I can't believe they would do such a thing!
And I thought global warming was about pure science. I suppose I was just being naive. or maybe sarcastic.
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Wait, so are you saying that global warming theory can be used for political ends? Like, foreign politicians use it to harm the interests of more powerful countries? My ears deceive me - I can't believe they would do such a thing!
And I thought global warming was about pure science. I suppose I was just being naive. or maybe sarcastic.
The science of global warming is pretty sound. The majority of disagreement is on how much of the warming is natural and how much mankind is responsible for. Addressing mankinds contribution takes money. Kyoto is just a trade agreement ensuring the bulk of the cost of addressing climate change is not borne by Europe. Don't confuse that with the science, the science is sound, the climate is changing.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
I found this interesting that 1934 is now the warmest year in history and not 1998 due to a calculation error by Nasa and that 4 of the warmest years on record in the US were in the 1930's.
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What if the "peers" in the peer review process are all full of shit?
I have no stake in all of this. If global warming is happening because of my car, fine! I'll do something about it if it is happening.
The problem with you all is that you want global warming to be happening so badly because it fits your agenda. Big companies not doing the right thing! Hurting the little guy! It fits perfectly with your worldview. The little guy being hurt and dispossessed of his health and clean water!! Propaganda blah blah blah
Me? I want to put CEOs in jail for illegal immigration - I have no allegiance to them. I just want the truth to come out and it won't come out if extremists hijack the issue because they hate business in the first place.
-Enoch Powell
but aren't you projecting your own agenda with your comments ... your blatant generalization that we are doing this just cuz we hate big corporations is sad and tragic ... it's like we got nothing better to do then to rail against exxon for no reason ... please - stop engagiing from a point of irrationality ... see it for what it truly is ...
we believe this world does not belong to us as individuals and that actions in one area have consequences in other areas ... i'm not filled with irrational hate for all things multi-national ... who has the energy for that? ... it's about making positive changes for everyone and future generations ...
i really have a difficult time believing that
-Enoch Powell
Hold on a second here. People are passing past ice ages and whatnot off and using.................Science as their arguement. Yet, you are refuting exactly what you believe in in the first place. Strange you people are.
then that is your problem not mine ... and it probably is an indication of why you aren't listening to the message ...
To me this is the most unreported and unresearched aspect of climate change. As it's this number that dictates where dollars should be spent.
Edit: The other important question is, Do you think that the effects of climate change are reversable? If so, what is the reversal time frame?
Again this is an important question with regards to where and how money should be spent.
If you think climate change is primarily manmade and reversable over a short period of time putting money into preventing climate change is the smart thing.
If you think climate change is primarily manmade but not reversable over a short period of time putting money into both preventing climate change and adapting to climate change is the smart thing.
If you think climate change is primarily natural and hance not reversable putting money into adapting to climate change is the smart thing.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
over 90%
i love when people make up numbers.
what percentage of people were responsible for climate change when THERE WERE NO PEOPLE? probably something more in the range of 80% right?
educate yourself yet?
All this man made global warming nonsense is a means for the people in control to tax the industrialised nations.....another step towards globalisation.
Yes maybe the earth is heating up.......but we certainly have no effect.
educate yourself yet?
hanky, buddy ol pal. whats up man
Bullshit.
Comparison of CO2 emissions from volcanoes vs. human activities.
Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1999, 1991). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 27 billion tonnes per year (30 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 2006) - The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2, through 2003.]. Human activities release more than 130 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of more than 8,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 3.3 million tonnes/year)! (Gerlach et. al., 2002)
http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Hazards/What/VolGas/volgas.html
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damn sorry hank. looks like he's got ya on this one.
Now that really makes no sense as the people in control own the big corps and make the most money so why would they need an excuse to tax themseves even more.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
?
When it come to global warming and the future i'm not playing. It is fact.
Erm i don't live in fear but i am aware, really are the republican responsible for all the global warming i thought it was the whole world. My bad
I'm not really a fan of the zombie box myself. But trust me your news is really bad far worse than anything here.
The economy has polarized to the point where the wealthiest 10% now own 85% of the nation’s wealth. Never before have the bottom 90% been so highly indebted, so dependent on the wealthy.
Not really. I clearly stated I have no position because I don't know enough about the subject to discuss it really.
says who? you?
I tried to understand this but I cant. you make no sense.
its the same shit. again, get off your high horse
Hoax* the star was subtle...nice touch.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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I don't think I'm the only one who tires of your senseless flaming, and nonsensical, worthless point of views. If they can even be called points-of view.
And you're also a horrible speller.
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show me one word I spelled wrong? unless you count my laziness for not adding apostrophes
You just don't get it.
The topic is global warming. You have have 10 posts on the topic, yet you have offered nothing to refute or substantiate in the debate that it is a "hoax".
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did I say I think its a hoax? try reading what I posted again. then tell me which one of us doesnt get it. otherwise, go bother someone else, or go make a thread talking to yourself again.
It would be extremely wise to cut back on CO2 at the very least as it acts like insulation.
Also, I was reading about soot filled dark pollution clouds accelerating the process:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/08/070801-brown-clouds.html
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
But why would honest and well-intentioned scientists want to hurt U.S. trade???
-Enoch Powell
The politicians just used the science for justification for a very one-sided, pro-Europe trade agreement. The IPCC knows what hand feeds them and have taken some very politicized stances that far outstrip scientific stances.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Wait, so are you saying that global warming theory can be used for political ends? Like, foreign politicians use it to harm the interests of more powerful countries? My ears deceive me - I can't believe they would do such a thing!
And I thought global warming was about pure science. I suppose I was just being naive.
-Enoch Powell
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
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