Kerry Was Not Talking About The Troops

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  • Posts: 6,801
    Abuskedti wrote:
    Why do you think you heard stupid and lazy - is that how you see those that don't go to or succeed in college?

    Quit turning yourself into a stereotype by constantly switching focus and avoiding the questions. Are you a politician by chance?

    OK - here's what Kerry said: "you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq,"

    Do you see where I pulled stupid and lazy from that?

    And to answer your question, I have a very pessimistic view about college and do not equate success or brains or any other positive attitude with those who attend. Likewise, I do not view those who do not attend in a negative manner.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • Posts: 6,801
    Hope&Anger wrote:
    Anti-military? Surely you mean something other than you hate the troops. What do you mean by anti-military?

    You couldn't have said something you didn't really mean but was just awkwardly stated, could you?

    Actually, it's probably not phrased the best, but close to what I mean. I'm anti-war and anti-violence almost to the extreme. Therefore, I do not support killing people or violence...and that is what the military does. I don't exactly view it as a positive that people volunteer to do those things. I do not hate the troops in any way, though, as you implied.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Posts: 6,801
    TheVoiceInside wrote:
    Stupid and lazy?.....isnt that the conservative definition of poor people. Personal responsibility, yes sir!

    In this case, it appears to be Kerry's definition of them.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Posts: 260
    know1 wrote:
    Actually, it's probably not phrased the best, but close to what I mean.
    And welcome to John Kerry's World!! Thanks for stopping by!
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    Hope&Anger wrote:
    And welcome to John Kerry's World!! Thanks for stopping by!

    Maybe, maybe not. Even though I do not like what militaries do, I've been defending the choice of the people who enlist and recognizing that people join for reasons other than their stupid and lazy as he seemed to assert.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Posts: 2,659
    sponger wrote:
    But, does he have a history of fumbling the wording of his jokes? Lame jokes are one thing, but making a good joke into a lame one by re-wording the punchline is another.
    Anyone who believes John Kerry was attacking the men and women in the United States Military is a goddamn moron, plain and simple. No politician, especially one as successfull as John Kerry is going to do something that stupid.
  • Posts: 3,320
    don't gimme no wrote:
    Anyone who believes John Kerry was attacking the men and women in the United States Military is a goddamn moron, plain and simple. No politician, especially one as successfull as John Kerry is going to do something that stupid.

    and just look at what he said in the 5 sentances before and after the one in question...he was talking about bush, had a slip of the tounge, and misspoke. he was not talking about the troops. should he maybe appologize for saying something by mistake that 2 people (rush and hannity) can take out of context, spin, and turn it into "kerry hates the troops" that the "liberal media" is pouncing all over for the past couple of days? maybe. but i was actually pleased with his speach yesterday...it showed he actually has some political balls, which i never saw in 2004...
    6/26/98, 8/17/00, 10/8/00, 12/8/02, 12/9/02, 4/25/03, 5/28/03, 6/1/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 6/6/03, 6/12/03, 6/13/03, 6/15/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/22/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03, 10/3/04, 10/5/04, 9/9/05, 9/11/05, 9/16/05, 5/16/06, 5/17/06, 5/19/06, 6/30/06, 7/23/06, 8/5/07, 6/30/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/4/10, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/11/13, 10/17/14, 8/20/16
  • Posts: 1,350
    NewJPage wrote:
    and just look at what he said in the 5 sentances before and after the one in question...he was talking about bush, had a slip of the tounge, and misspoke. he was not talking about the troops. should he maybe appologize for saying something by mistake that 2 people (rush and hannity) can take out of context, spin, and turn it into "kerry hates the troops" that the "liberal media" is pouncing all over for the past couple of days? maybe. but i was actually pleased with his speach yesterday...it showed he actually has some political balls, which i never saw in 2004...

    So how do you feel about Trent Lott?
  • Posts: 1,045
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Your post provides no examples, just an unsupported statement. If you're referring to the words 'well documented' then why not provide this documentation?

    I'm not going to jump through hoops for your entertainment. If it was a difficult thing to find I'd do it for you, but it's not. Use Google.
  • Posts: 3,320
    zstillings wrote:
    So how do you feel about Trent Lott?

    seeing as he's quite far to my right, i'm glad he's gone...i'm assuming you are referencing his segregationist past and his comments on strom thurman, who, of course, ran as a segregationist... as for his comments at the 100th birthday or whatever, i'd need a link to the speech to know exactly what he was talking about. he's not one of my favorites, i know that, and i know that i would never even show up for a celebration of someone who holds views such as those as he did for thurman...among various other things throughout the years...
    6/26/98, 8/17/00, 10/8/00, 12/8/02, 12/9/02, 4/25/03, 5/28/03, 6/1/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 6/6/03, 6/12/03, 6/13/03, 6/15/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/22/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03, 10/3/04, 10/5/04, 9/9/05, 9/11/05, 9/16/05, 5/16/06, 5/17/06, 5/19/06, 6/30/06, 7/23/06, 8/5/07, 6/30/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/4/10, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/11/13, 10/17/14, 8/20/16
  • Posts: 1,350
    NewJPage wrote:
    seeing as he's quite far to my right, i'm glad he's gone...i'm assuming you are referencing his segregationist past and his comments on strom thurman, who, of course, ran as a segregationist... as for his comments at the 100th birthday or whatever, i'd need a link to the speech to know exactly what he was talking about. he's not one of my favorites, i know that, and i know that i would never even show up for a celebration of someone who holds views such as those as he did for thurman...among various other things throughout the years...

    He misspoke much like Kerry. If you take his words literally, you should be taking Kerry's words literally.
  • Posts: 3,320
    zstillings wrote:
    He misspoke much like Kerry. If you take his words literally, you should be taking Kerry's words literally.

    i didn't say i took his words literally...i said, as you can see above, that i would need the speech to know the context.
    lott has given plenty of other reasons for me to think he's a piece of shit. he was against the voting rights act, the institution of a martin luther king holiday, and has been affiliated with the segregationist ticket for years...way before the thurman bday quote. overall, he is just not even close to where i am politically.

    oh, and i think kerry sucks too, btw. he ran an inept campaign in 2004, and is a farily weak politician. while i do agree with him on more issues that lott, kerry is way weak.
    6/26/98, 8/17/00, 10/8/00, 12/8/02, 12/9/02, 4/25/03, 5/28/03, 6/1/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 6/6/03, 6/12/03, 6/13/03, 6/15/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/22/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03, 10/3/04, 10/5/04, 9/9/05, 9/11/05, 9/16/05, 5/16/06, 5/17/06, 5/19/06, 6/30/06, 7/23/06, 8/5/07, 6/30/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/4/10, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/11/13, 10/17/14, 8/20/16
  • Posts: 1,350
    NewJPage wrote:
    i didn't say i took his words literally...i said, as you can see above, that i would need the speech to know the context.
    lott has given plenty of other reasons for me to think he's a piece of shit. he was against the voting rights act, the institution of a martin luther king holiday, and has been affiliated with the segregationist ticket for years...way before the thurman bday quote. overall, he is just not even close to where i am politically.

    oh, and i think kerry sucks too, btw. he ran an inept campaign in 2004, and is a farily weak politician. while i do agree with him on more issues that lott, kerry is way weak.

    That's understandable.
  • Posts: 16,831
    NewJPage wrote:
    seeing as he's quite far to my right, i'm glad he's gone...i'm assuming you are referencing his segregationist past and his comments on strom thurman, who, of course, ran as a segregationist... as for his comments at the 100th birthday or whatever, i'd need a link to the speech to know exactly what he was talking about. he's not one of my favorites, i know that, and i know that i would never even show up for a celebration of someone who holds views such as those as he did for thurman...among various other things throughout the years...

    Strom Thurmond did not hold those views anymore...people change...even for the better.
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  • Posts: 65
    sponger wrote:
    If Kerry was really commenting about Bush's lack of education, then that doesn't even make sense. Bush holds an advanced degree from an Ivy League University. That doesn't make the guy ultra-smart, but it doesn't make him uneducated either.
    And he graduated with a "C" average.
    "Winded is the sailor, drifting by the storm, wounded is the organ he left all bloodied on the shore...the smallest oceans still get Big Big waves..."

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  • Posts: 1,224
    BogoEN wrote:
    And he graduated with a "C" average.

    And what is a man who graduated with a lower average than that ridiculing him for?
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

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  • Posts: 65
    chopitdown wrote:
    You see though, he didnt use the prepared text message. He didn't say those words. So is Kerry off the hook b/c of what he meant to say? We hold people accountable for what they say and do, not what they meant to say or do. I like watching the dems spin this now to try and cover this blunder.

    "I don't know where he is [Osama Bin Laden] and quite frankly it doesn't concern me." George W. Bush, White House Press Conference

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    I totally agree with holding people accountable.
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  • Posts: 65
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    And what is a man who graduated with a lower average than that ridiculing him for?

    Actually, Bush's marks were lower than Kerry's-not that it matters, though.
    "Winded is the sailor, drifting by the storm, wounded is the organ he left all bloodied on the shore...the smallest oceans still get Big Big waves..."

    Postive thinking is the key, Postive doing is the door...
  • Posts: 3,319
    69charger wrote:
    He also has a well documented history of demeaning members of the United States Military, so maybe we should just follow established Kerry precedent and believe him when he called our troops stupid.

    He's already called our troops terrorists, rapists, murderers, and baby killers.


    He never said that the military en masse was guilty of these things.
  • Posts: 3,319
    chopitdown wrote:
    You see though, he didnt use the prepared text message. He didn't say those words. So is Kerry off the hook b/c of what he meant to say? We hold people accountable for what they say and do, not what they meant to say or do. I like watching the dems spin this now to try and cover this blunder.

    But the intention of his words were the same as the intention of the prepared text. I understand that Kerry's words sounded like an insult to the troops, but once he clarified what he meant, shouldn't that be enough??

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