Saddam gets death penalty

bootlegger10 wrote:

A Saddam apologist.

"The World isnt black and white, Dave, its easy, either you want america to win or you dont." - Bill O'Reilly

"Well it isnt easy for me because I am thoughtful" - Dave Letterman


there is so much more to the flow of this tragedy than I like Saddam/ I hate Saddam. You dont see the world in black and white, I hope you see colors. If not, just sit there and keep launching your useless talking points.

jlew24asu wrote:

it almost sounds like you are sad about the verdict.

Not sad, but killing him will make him a martyr. Shouldn't his accomplices be indicted at the very least?

donald Rumsfeld was very cozy with him when Hussein was an instrument of the US government's beef with Iran. We didn't seem to mind selling him chemical weapons to murder Iranians.

There's a sickening double standard going on...that's all I'm saying. He did some unspeakable things, and that does not endear me to him. But we're not without blood on our hands in Iraq, which makes our leadership no better in my view.

bootlegger10 wrote:

It's because you hate America so much. It is true that you hate America. You hate it all the way down to the foundation set in 1776. Don't try to deny it.

This has to be a joke. If not, it is the most simplistic and childish showing. And, by the way, as typical as anything that Bush Appologists produce. Your side tries to act sooooo tough, but the minute they get questioned, they throw their milk, start the tears streaming and sit on the ground in a tantrum because they dont know how to deal with the shell they built being breeched. We love America more than you will ever begin to ever see. We see a bigger, more powerful, more intelligent, more creative and more supportive nation than you could ever imagine. You want to build four walls and assume you are right on everything that ever comes out of your mouth. Damn you for telling someone else they hate america. Everyone has a different america, and only yours has room for only likeminded.

Tackalac wrote:

They are hardly useless...it displays the difference between the left and the right and between you and I.

You see the verdict of Saddam as an achievement and an end without considering the means to which it took to get there. It is black and white to you.

I see the actions we took to get to this point as ignorant and damaging. You think the story ends here, but I fear the pain and suffering that we have caused will come back to harm us far greater than 9/11 did. There are hundreds of thousands of Iraqis that now have bitter hatred for us, and some are bound to take it out on us. We are already losing young men and women, and all I ask is.....is it worth it....to spend 3 BILLION dollars a WEEK and lose nearly 3,000 soldiers and injure nearly 40,000 soldiers.....just to get a man convicted. We have killed more civilians than he ever did.....oh....it is so clear how simplistic you see this and how long the roots are to the entire story.

Fine....Saddam convicted. Great. Write to me in a week after all the pain and suffering has subsided and after we have pulled the troops out because we finished our goal.

If you think I am sitting here just hating america and not having a solution....I challenge you.....We created Saddam Hussen just like we supported and propped up Osama........the systems we build and the power structure we form always come back to damage us. We think short term and I am challenging that. The short run in Iraq is worse than the administration hoped for.....and I truly am worried about the blowback that will come in ten years once the anger spreads from the region. We are a big dumb kid swinging at a hornets nest.........but again....Saddam is guilty so I can sleep well tonight.

It's already happening.

Saw a "breaking news" event on CNN yesterday, several nations in the Middle East are now actively seeking nuclear technology. They have learned the lesson of N. Korea.

You want the school-yard bully to respect you, you have to have the bomb.

enharmonic wrote:

It's already happening.

Saw a "breaking news" event on CNN yesterday, several nations in the Middle East are now actively seeking nuclear technology. They have learned the lesson of N. Korea.

You want the school-yard bully to respect you, you have to have the bomb.

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One of the funniest things I've heard and read... when people heralded Libya's claim that they have stopped their nuclear weapons development program. It's a fucking joke because you know what Libya's nuclear weapons development program consisted of? Going on EBay and typing in 'Nuclear bomb' in the search field.
AND... these assholes believe Col. Mu'ammar al-Qadhafi. Fucking Bush... that idiot... believes what fucking al-Qadhafi has to say... al-Qadhafi been lying about everything since he was Pvt. al-Qadhafi... now, all of a sudden, he's telling the truth??? And idiots believe him???

bootlegger10 wrote:

It's because you hate America so much. It is true that you hate America. You hate it all the way down to the foundation set in 1776. Don't try to deny it.

Nice try but no. It's because I'm against the death penalty.

jlew24asu wrote:

im sorry that your friend saddam got the death penalty. he was a bad man.

Okay.

It's really strange to me that while the EU rightly declared its opposition to the death sentence (not supporting death penalty is a requisite to join the EU), still the UK foreign minister, Margharet Beckett, sent her welcome for the sentence. I think she has to apologise to the EU for this.

jlew24asu wrote:

just trying to give him some consouling words. he is sad about it.

I said I wasn't happy with the verdict because I oppose the death penalty.

jlew24asu wrote:

im sorry that your friend saddam got the death penalty. he was a bad man.

He wasnt my friend. He was a pile of shit that deserves to die as he inflicted pain and suffering on hundreds of thousands. HERE IS THE POINT....you end your criticism there....BUT (and I am speaking for my new friend Crop here), if your gage on Saddam is that he caused the death of innocent civilians and was a power hungry man>>> if that is your standard, why dont you apply it to everyone in the world and not just selectively? Why are you not calling for the invasion of China?

Lets have a good talk here. If you found that America killed innocent people for its own self interest, is it any different to you, or do you feel like it is in your name and for your preservation and that is okay? That is what it breaks down to......tribes and circles. Other countries cannot kill innocents or have weapons to protect themselves, but we can have unlimited access and perform messy but unscrutinized self-interest operations because it is us.

The most ridiculous thing I have ever tried to understand is this: Bush called Iraq, Iran and South Korea the axis of evil, then went on to invade Iraq. Put yourself in the remaining two countries positions....would you sit back, after the US declared you an enemy to liberty, invaded one of the countries in your defined position, and do nothing? What makes you think that other countries dont fear having damage done to them, or what makes you think that people outside the US dont have the same inherent desire to protect themselves and their families at any and every capacity they can. We have a numb approach the rest of the world.....almost as if we cannot understand that Iraqis; no matter how many family members they lose; may be devestated by their loss and overwhelmed by it to a point that they never can give us a fair shot. We are totally responsible for everything we have done over there....we elected to do it all. So....the plan to keep moving forward is not okay with me at any level. I dont want to pull out or cut and run...dont ever put those words in my mouth because I have a quick reflex....I want to fix what we have fucked up, but I dont think the people that have boggled all of this even deserve a chance to fix it...let alone decide how to win. We are obligated to clean up the mess that the administration has created...and I have no idea how to do it without continuing to impose our will on other humans.

Fuck Saddam...but Fuck everyone that puts the interest of themselves and their tribes above anything else.



When you you see that we stand for morals based on the prevention of human suffering. We are flexible and dynamic and you have a book written by man over the course of thousands of years and you cherry pick your morals out of it. (not you directly, I think).....The problem is that your morals are dictated by fear and not founded on the desire to end/fix/prevent human suffering at any level.

The "moral majority" is the most fearful, corrupt, least self-reflective and hollow movement I can think of.

At the end of all of this.....I dont want to isolate anyone and I want to bring us together at some level....we dont agree and I AM OKAY with that....I still see room for us to get along and live as supportive neighbors. I truly believe in balance and that even I would walk myself off a cliff if I didnt have someone there to tell me the 'other side' of everything. It is just the myopic or even blind view of so many that makes the division in our country...and again...I will say this....the political victory that goes unchallenged is that this administration and movement pits US against eachother and KILLS honest dialogue......

I guess I am reaching out........I really am.....