CALIFORNIA FIRES: Stadium like a resort vs. Superdome

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  • Delaware Vol
    Delaware Vol Posts: 30
    prism wrote:
    no surprise there. who'd have thunk that Bush cares more about rich mostly-white people?

    I wouldn't blame the people in New Orleans and surrounding areas if this highly pisses them off...especially the ones still living in FEMA trailers more than two years later

    Wow, I just entered this thread and was wondering how many posts it would be before someone played the class warfare/race card.... To my "GREAT SURPRISE", it was really soon...


    It was a very unfortunate situation two years ago, and it still is very unfortunate today.... However, the people who are still looking for gov't assistance today will probably never recover to the point where they are living in any better quarters than FEMA trailers.... Just my opinion.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,263
    prism wrote:
    as for using their deaths to futher my agenda, you really are delusional. I actually feel bad for these people.

    Did you cry? Could you not go out to dinner and laugh with your friends about random crap 3 hours after you found out?

    Edit: And hell, you used their deaths to support your statement that Bush would send illegals into a fire if he could even though Bush had nothing to do with their deaths. So yeah, you are using their deaths for your own agenda, otherwise you would have never brought them up in your response to my reponse regarding your initial comment.
  • ontheflipside
    ontheflipside Posts: 65
    MrSmith wrote:
    yeah definately. i kinda got sidetracked with the Bush thing. I doubt he has much impact at all in this situation, just saying he wouldn't make the same mistake twice.

    The way San Diego is handling it is the right way to go. I lived in New Orleans during Katrina and (perhaps stupidly) evacuated to southern Mississippi, and the response in Mississippi was very similar to the way it is in San Diego. People worked together and helped each other out, and a better state and local response made things much easier. An hour after the storm passed, people were out with chainsaws clearing the streets and helping others. If you wait on the government to help you'll be waiting a long time.


    I want to start by apologizing that the last four days for me have all run together, I was awake for 41 hours straight in anticipation of being evacuated (and thankfully it never happened, although I was prepared). Somewhere along the way I did read something on a message board or somewhere that we shouldn't count on the federal government for aid and what-have-you but we have to rely on the community as a whole for assistance. So far, that is exactly what I've seen...down to the local congresspeople expressing disdain for anyone who tries to take advantage of the people (looting, insurance fraud, etc.). So as of right now I see San Diego as a beautiful community, that I am proud to be a part of, willing to come to the assistance of fellow residence. At one point I did hear there were more volunteers than evacuees at Qualcomm..that in itself says a lot about this community.
  • Delaware Vol
    Delaware Vol Posts: 30
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    It is a failure of local government, why are you bringing Bush into this? Katrina's aftermath was brutal. You blame Bush. The fire evacuations were handled much better, and you blame Bush. We can see through you. Bush would not feed illegals to the flames. We can see the hate in you.

    Also, Katrina and these fires are totally different beasts to deal with. I give credit to California and that is all that needs to be said.


    Exactly, great points.... The governor of California and the city and local gov't in San Diego have been a great example of how to act in a crisis....

    Unfortunately for the people in New Orleans and the entire state of Louisiana, they had an idiot governor and a buffoon for a mayor that just aggravated an already difficult situation with their indecision and incompetence......
  • ontheflipside
    ontheflipside Posts: 65
    Delaware Vol wrote:
    Wow, I just entered this thread and was wondering how many posts it would be before someone played the class warfare/race card.... To my "GREAT SURPRISE", it was really soon...


    It was a very unfortunate situation two years ago, and it still is very unfortunate today.... However, the people who are still looking for gov't assistance today will probably never recover to the point where they are living in any better quarters than FEMA trailers.... Just my opinion.

    I was watching some footage yesterday of a woman who was "evacuated to Qualcomm" and she had two plastic bags (that I could see) and she was loading them up with all of the toiletries that she possibly could. I could tell what she was doing and I thought it was extremely inappropriate but how can you possibly separate those that need from those that want?

    P.S. The woman was white.
  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    Delaware Vol wrote:
    Exactly, great points.... The governor of California and the city and local gov't in San Diego have been a great example of how to act in a crisis....

    Unfortunately for the people in New Orleans and the entire state of Louisiana, they had an idiot governor and a buffoon for a mayor that just aggravated an already difficult situation with their indecision and incompetence......

    Heck of a job, Brownie!
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  • Delaware Vol
    Delaware Vol Posts: 30
    ontheflipside wrote:
    I was watching some footage yesterday of a woman who was "evacuated to Qualcomm" and she had two plastic bags (that I could see) and she was loading them up with all of the toiletries that she possibly could. I could tell what she was doing and I thought it was extremely inappropriate but how can you possibly separate those that need from those that want?

    P.S. The woman was white.



    Take a look at Post #22... I was responding to something that was said in Post # 2........ I don't care if the woman was white, black, yellow, green or red. If she legitimately needs those items than it's all good----if it's truly needed and won't be wasted.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Delaware Vol wrote:
    Take a look at Post #22... I was responding to something that was said in Post # 2........ I don't care if the woman was white, black, yellow, green or red. If she legitimately needs those items than it's all good----if it's truly needed and won't be wasted.

    hmmm. that's real white of ya.

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  • Delaware Vol
    Delaware Vol Posts: 30
    Wrong thread---but what's your point anyway?
  • ontheflipside
    ontheflipside Posts: 65
    Delaware Vol wrote:
    Take a look at Post #22... I was responding to something that was said in Post # 2........ I don't care if the woman was white, black, yellow, green or red. If she legitimately needs those items than it's all good----if it's truly needed and won't be wasted.

    I was originally responding to your "race card" post #22...after your last post I went back and read #2's post...and I still stand by what I said in my response. If anyone (not just you Delaware Vol) saw what I saw on TV, you would have had my same gut reaction...whether I am right or wrong about her intentions, it was definitely suspicious but I am sure she had some type of need for the products...it just seemed extremely excessive.
  • Delaware Vol
    Delaware Vol Posts: 30
    Gotcha, sorry, I'm a little slow on the uptake since it's 1:30 here.. : )
  • ontheflipside
    ontheflipside Posts: 65
    Delaware Vol wrote:
    Gotcha, sorry, I'm a little slow on the uptake since it's 1:30 here.. : )


    No problem...believe me, I can relate...lack of sleep can really get to you.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Delaware Vol wrote:
    Wrong thread---but what's your point anyway?

    You're phony. "Patriotism" and "humanity" is a sliding scale of justice: that's what I get from your posts.
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  • prism
    prism Posts: 2,440
    Delaware Vol wrote:
    Take a look at Post #22... I was responding to something that was said in Post # 2........ I don't care if the woman was white, black, yellow, green or red. If she legitimately needs those items than it's all good----if it's truly needed and won't be wasted.

    unless of course she was a brown Mexican in the US illegally
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  • Delaware Vol
    Delaware Vol Posts: 30
    gue_barium wrote:
    You're phony. "Patriotism" and "humanity" is a sliding scale of justice: that's what I get from your posts.


    That's not what I'm saying at all... Actually, I believe I'm consistent. Yes, I know it's not what liberals want to hear, but yes I do have a soft spot in my heart for United States citizens..... They should be the one AND only priority in this horrible situation.... Yes, I do believe that the lady that filled her garbage bags with toiletries is entitled to them---as much as she wants and as much as she needs.... Sorry my beliefs don't fit into some agenda.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Delaware Vol wrote:
    That's not what I'm saying at all... Actually, I believe I'm consistent. Yes, I know it's not what liberals want to hear, but yes I do have a soft spot in my heart for United States citizens..... They should be the one AND only priority in this horrible situation.... Yes, I do believe that the lady that filled her garbage bags with toiletries is entitled to them---as much as she wants and as much as she needs.... Sorry my beliefs don't fit into some agenda.

    Whatever your beliefs are, they don't mesh with what your fake defensiveness is trying to do here.
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  • ontheflipside
    ontheflipside Posts: 65
    Delaware Vol wrote:
    That's not what I'm saying at all... Actually, I believe I'm consistent. Yes, I know it's not what liberals want to hear, but yes I do have a soft spot in my heart for United States citizens..... They should be the one AND only priority in this horrible situation.... Yes, I do believe that the lady that filled her garbage bags with toiletries is entitled to them---as much as she wants and as much as she needs.... Sorry my beliefs don't fit into some agenda.

    I don't post on the Moving Train often so I'm not familiar with the personalities on here but I have to say that what I did witness (the woman filling her bags with stuff) did look suspicious...and I'm fairly confident they had enough supplies to go around to all of the evacuees so it wasn't necessarily an issue. I was simply responding to the "race-card" comment. She was definitely white so it had nothing to do with "race" on my end.
  • Delaware Vol
    Delaware Vol Posts: 30
    prism wrote:
    unless of course she was a brown Mexican in the US illegally

    Very funny Prism, but I'd only be concerned with her legal status.... Again, I would be concerned that citizens stranded in that stadium would be denied necessary food, supplies etc. because the city is having to provide for X amount of people that---really---shouldn't be here.
  • Delaware Vol
    Delaware Vol Posts: 30
    gue_barium wrote:
    Whatever your beliefs are, they don't mesh with what your fake defensiveness is trying to do here.

    Uh, OK---but there's no defensiveness on this end... Just stating my position....
  • ontheflipside
    ontheflipside Posts: 65
    Delaware Vol wrote:
    Very funny Prism, but I'd only be concerned with her legal status.... Again, I would be concerned that citizens stranded in that stadium would be denied necessary food, supplies etc. because the city is having to provide for X amount of people that---really---shouldn't be here.


    I'm not hijacking this thread but from what I have seen...a majority of the supplies have been donated from private citizens and companies. I can't remember if I put this in one of my previous posts or not but at one point during the evacuations there were more voluteers at Qualcomm than there were evacuees...

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