Take a look at Post #22... I was responding to something that was said in Post # 2........ I don't care if the woman was white, black, yellow, green or red. If she legitimately needs those items than it's all good----if it's truly needed and won't be wasted.
unless of course she was a brown Mexican in the US illegally
You're phony. "Patriotism" and "humanity" is a sliding scale of justice: that's what I get from your posts.
That's not what I'm saying at all... Actually, I believe I'm consistent. Yes, I know it's not what liberals want to hear, but yes I do have a soft spot in my heart for United States citizens..... They should be the one AND only priority in this horrible situation.... Yes, I do believe that the lady that filled her garbage bags with toiletries is entitled to them---as much as she wants and as much as she needs.... Sorry my beliefs don't fit into some agenda.
That's not what I'm saying at all... Actually, I believe I'm consistent. Yes, I know it's not what liberals want to hear, but yes I do have a soft spot in my heart for United States citizens..... They should be the one AND only priority in this horrible situation.... Yes, I do believe that the lady that filled her garbage bags with toiletries is entitled to them---as much as she wants and as much as she needs.... Sorry my beliefs don't fit into some agenda.
Whatever your beliefs are, they don't mesh with what your fake defensiveness is trying to do here.
That's not what I'm saying at all... Actually, I believe I'm consistent. Yes, I know it's not what liberals want to hear, but yes I do have a soft spot in my heart for United States citizens..... They should be the one AND only priority in this horrible situation.... Yes, I do believe that the lady that filled her garbage bags with toiletries is entitled to them---as much as she wants and as much as she needs.... Sorry my beliefs don't fit into some agenda.
I don't post on the Moving Train often so I'm not familiar with the personalities on here but I have to say that what I did witness (the woman filling her bags with stuff) did look suspicious...and I'm fairly confident they had enough supplies to go around to all of the evacuees so it wasn't necessarily an issue. I was simply responding to the "race-card" comment. She was definitely white so it had nothing to do with "race" on my end.
unless of course she was a brown Mexican in the US illegally
Very funny Prism, but I'd only be concerned with her legal status.... Again, I would be concerned that citizens stranded in that stadium would be denied necessary food, supplies etc. because the city is having to provide for X amount of people that---really---shouldn't be here.
Very funny Prism, but I'd only be concerned with her legal status.... Again, I would be concerned that citizens stranded in that stadium would be denied necessary food, supplies etc. because the city is having to provide for X amount of people that---really---shouldn't be here.
I'm not hijacking this thread but from what I have seen...a majority of the supplies have been donated from private citizens and companies. I can't remember if I put this in one of my previous posts or not but at one point during the evacuations there were more voluteers at Qualcomm than there were evacuees...
Very funny Prism, but I'd only be concerned with her legal status.... Again, I would be concerned that citizens stranded in that stadium would be denied necessary food, supplies etc. because the city is having to provide for X amount of people that---really---shouldn't be here.
so it's American citizens that pick the food for your dinner table for $3. an hour? gotcha
My original argument is that this situation is poor grounds to bash Bushy on. There are plenty of other valid situations to blame on Bush, but this isn't one of them. the argument that he's quick to help the rich and ignore the poor isn't really valid here.
Pick your battles and be objective, rather than just have a kneejerk anti-Bush reaction every time he pops up in the news.
I'm not hijacking this thread but from what I have seen...a majority of the supplies have been donated from private citizens and companies. I can't remember if I put this in one of my previous posts or not but at one point during the evacuations there were more voluteers at Qualcomm than there were evacuees...
Understood, but the reason this particular subject even came up was because someone referenced a thread that I had started earlier in the day. It was regarding an article that I read in the LA Times.... I actually made a post back on page 2 of this thread that this was the wrong thread to bring this up, but it's all good.
Understood, but the reason this particular subject even came up was because someone referenced a thread that I had started earlier in the day. It was regarding an article that I read in the LA Times.... I actually made a post back on page 2 of this thread that this was the wrong thread to bring this up, but it's all good.
Ok, gotcha...like I said previously I don't normally post here and I am not familiar with the people here nor was I trying to hijack anyone's posts...I wasn't trying to start anything, I was just conveying what I had witnessed and my thoughts on the matter...
But now that I have actually posted here, I think I might stick around for awhile.
also I can bet than none of the victims of these fires and their families will still be living in a FEMA trailer two years from now
I wouldn't be so quick to say that...the Salvation Army just reported two days ago that they finally finished rebuilding the last home from the fires we had in 2003. So, the Katrina victims weren't the only ones that have had to be displaced for a long period of time.
The response from the community and the federal government has been pretty quick this time around and I am sure it is because lessons have been learned from our past experiences.
It's not surprising to me in this calamity that has happened in the California Fires they appears to be a major difference between and Katrina 2 years ago.
In many ways I feel no more empathy to the people in California than the people in the Gulf Region after Katrina. They can save their tears, the Bush Administrations says we don't want another Katrina to happen in California which to me is nonsense.
I gather if you have a mountain side view in a million dollar house you suddenly become a bit more important than other Americans who happen to look out at the Gulf of Mexico.
However this is how it appears to work in America land of the free, yeah right.
Here we go! I thought one of you idiots would say this. San Diegans came together to help each other. I was at Qualcomm, I have never seen anything like it. People donating everything they could to help the people displaced. Mountains of supplies bought and given to those who needed them! Citizens of San Diego reaching into their own pockets (however deep they may be) to buy supplies for strangers.
I seem to remember the exact opposite after Katrina. The rain hadn't even stopped and people were already running down the streets with stolen goods. Maybe the government didn't react fast enough......
It shouldn't matter! People stealing from each other instead of helping each other is not the govt's fault!
I wish all of you could see how selfless the people of my city were the last week. 500,000+ people run out of their homes and no significant displays of human waste like Katrina.
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I know it has already been said but it is local government and citizens that have made the California situation better then Katrina and will make it easier to overcome.
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Sorry, but what a shit thread. Paco was the only one to even come close to touching on the real issue here.
On one hand you have a city with wildfires ravaging homes. Evacuees are sent to the local football stadium. There are highways open to bring supplies to the shelter and there are people within 50 miles who have been unaffected by the fires who are willing to step up and help. There is power at the dome, tap water available, etc.
On the other hand you have a city which was LITERALLY underwater, absolutely no in or out to the dome, aka supply lines. There was no way for volunteers to make it to the dome to help out. The city was literally destroyed; infrastructure demolished, power gone, water contaminated, no law enforcement to speak of (you can loot in water, you can't loop a burnt building)...a true mess. Hell, even communications to the city were extremely unreliable at best. I work in telecomm and we lost everything in the NO area, as a broadband provider we had absolutely nothing in the way of bandwidth heading into NO, nor did numerous other carriers.
Don't bring up race. Don't bring up money. Don't bring up governments. You CANNOT compare these two situations as they are completely different beasts. No doubt there were governmental breakdowns after Katrina, but in contrast it'd be awfully difficult to fuck up the evacuations in San Diego.
"Worse than traitors in arms are the men who pretend loyalty to the flag, feast and fatten on the misfortunes of the nation while patriotic blood is crimsoning the plains." -- Abraham Lincoln
It's not surprising to me in this calamity that has happened in the California Fires they appears to be a major difference between and Katrina 2 years ago.
In many ways I feel no more empathy to the people in California than the people in the Gulf Region after Katrina. They can save their tears, the Bush Administrations says we don't want another Katrina to happen in California which to me is nonsense.
I gather if you have a mountain side view in a million dollar house you suddenly become a bit more important than other Americans who happen to look out at the Gulf of Mexico.
However this is how it appears to work in America land of the free, yeah right.
excellent post g under p. excellent point. i recall people bringing up the possibilty of natural disasters happening in other, more wealthy areas and the people being treated better than those on the south were. they were greeted with harsh comments about that being ridiculous. it's fairly evident that some areas, and some people, are more "important" than others. their logistics excuses were bullshit.
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No problem...believe me, I can relate...lack of sleep can really get to you.
You're phony. "Patriotism" and "humanity" is a sliding scale of justice: that's what I get from your posts.
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unless of course she was a brown Mexican in the US illegally
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That's not what I'm saying at all... Actually, I believe I'm consistent. Yes, I know it's not what liberals want to hear, but yes I do have a soft spot in my heart for United States citizens..... They should be the one AND only priority in this horrible situation.... Yes, I do believe that the lady that filled her garbage bags with toiletries is entitled to them---as much as she wants and as much as she needs.... Sorry my beliefs don't fit into some agenda.
Whatever your beliefs are, they don't mesh with what your fake defensiveness is trying to do here.
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I don't post on the Moving Train often so I'm not familiar with the personalities on here but I have to say that what I did witness (the woman filling her bags with stuff) did look suspicious...and I'm fairly confident they had enough supplies to go around to all of the evacuees so it wasn't necessarily an issue. I was simply responding to the "race-card" comment. She was definitely white so it had nothing to do with "race" on my end.
Very funny Prism, but I'd only be concerned with her legal status.... Again, I would be concerned that citizens stranded in that stadium would be denied necessary food, supplies etc. because the city is having to provide for X amount of people that---really---shouldn't be here.
Uh, OK---but there's no defensiveness on this end... Just stating my position....
I'm not hijacking this thread but from what I have seen...a majority of the supplies have been donated from private citizens and companies. I can't remember if I put this in one of my previous posts or not but at one point during the evacuations there were more voluteers at Qualcomm than there were evacuees...
so it's American citizens that pick the food for your dinner table for $3. an hour? gotcha
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Pick your battles and be objective, rather than just have a kneejerk anti-Bush reaction every time he pops up in the news.
Understood, but the reason this particular subject even came up was because someone referenced a thread that I had started earlier in the day. It was regarding an article that I read in the LA Times.... I actually made a post back on page 2 of this thread that this was the wrong thread to bring this up, but it's all good.
Ok, gotcha...like I said previously I don't normally post here and I am not familiar with the people here nor was I trying to hijack anyone's posts...I wasn't trying to start anything, I was just conveying what I had witnessed and my thoughts on the matter...
But now that I have actually posted here, I think I might stick around for awhile.
I wouldn't be so quick to say that...the Salvation Army just reported two days ago that they finally finished rebuilding the last home from the fires we had in 2003. So, the Katrina victims weren't the only ones that have had to be displaced for a long period of time.
The response from the community and the federal government has been pretty quick this time around and I am sure it is because lessons have been learned from our past experiences.
Here we go! I thought one of you idiots would say this. San Diegans came together to help each other. I was at Qualcomm, I have never seen anything like it. People donating everything they could to help the people displaced. Mountains of supplies bought and given to those who needed them! Citizens of San Diego reaching into their own pockets (however deep they may be) to buy supplies for strangers.
I seem to remember the exact opposite after Katrina. The rain hadn't even stopped and people were already running down the streets with stolen goods. Maybe the government didn't react fast enough......
It shouldn't matter! People stealing from each other instead of helping each other is not the govt's fault!
I wish all of you could see how selfless the people of my city were the last week. 500,000+ people run out of their homes and no significant displays of human waste like Katrina.
Pensacola '94
New Orleans '95
Birmingham '98
New Orleans '00
New Orleans '03
Tampa '08
New Orleans '10 - Jazzfest
New Orleans '16 - Jazzfest
Fenway Park '18
St. Louis '22
On one hand you have a city with wildfires ravaging homes. Evacuees are sent to the local football stadium. There are highways open to bring supplies to the shelter and there are people within 50 miles who have been unaffected by the fires who are willing to step up and help. There is power at the dome, tap water available, etc.
On the other hand you have a city which was LITERALLY underwater, absolutely no in or out to the dome, aka supply lines. There was no way for volunteers to make it to the dome to help out. The city was literally destroyed; infrastructure demolished, power gone, water contaminated, no law enforcement to speak of (you can loot in water, you can't loop a burnt building)...a true mess. Hell, even communications to the city were extremely unreliable at best. I work in telecomm and we lost everything in the NO area, as a broadband provider we had absolutely nothing in the way of bandwidth heading into NO, nor did numerous other carriers.
Don't bring up race. Don't bring up money. Don't bring up governments. You CANNOT compare these two situations as they are completely different beasts. No doubt there were governmental breakdowns after Katrina, but in contrast it'd be awfully difficult to fuck up the evacuations in San Diego.
excellent post g under p. excellent point. i recall people bringing up the possibilty of natural disasters happening in other, more wealthy areas and the people being treated better than those on the south were. they were greeted with harsh comments about that being ridiculous. it's fairly evident that some areas, and some people, are more "important" than others. their logistics excuses were bullshit.