CALIFORNIA FIRES: Stadium like a resort vs. Superdome
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"It's amazing," said Eugenia Willis, who pulled into Qualcomm's parking lot around 1:30 a.m. Tuesday after evacuating her fire-threatened home east of town. "I don't know if my house is standing or not. But being here makes me feel comfortable, safe."
"two years ago in another NFL stadium after another monumental disaster.
In the Superdome in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, people died. Sewage ran in the corridors. Food and fresh water were nearly nonexistent. The evacuees had to fend for themselves"
It's not surprising to me in this calamity that has happened in the California Fires they appears to be a major difference between and Katrina 2 years ago.
In many ways I feel no more empathy to the people in California than the people in the Gulf Region after Katrina. They can save their tears, the Bush Administrations says we don't want another Katrina to happen in California which to me is nonsense.
I gather if you have a mountain side view in a million dollar house you suddenly become a bit more important than other Americans who happen to look out at the Gulf of Mexico.
However this is how it appears to work in America land of the free, yeah right.
Stadium like a resort vs. Superdome
Video of fire evacuees at Qualcomm Stadium
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I wouldn't blame the people in New Orleans and surrounding areas if this highly pisses them off...especially the ones still living in FEMA trailers more than two years later
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That place could be filled with illegal aliens and they'd still get the royal treatment. No way FEMA or Bush would risk the same political hit that Katrina caused. Bush's approval ratings were still hanging pretty high before Katrina hit and he hasn't recovered since. If it came a year earlier he wouldnt be in the White House.
Plus I'd like to think FEMA is better prepared after that disaster and wouldn't fuck up that bad again. And its nowhere near the same conditions as Katrina.
Plus it looks like there are about 12 people in there.
don't fool yourself, if Bush had his way he be feeding illegal aliens directly into the flames.
could it be that there's only like 12 people there because it's likely that people that can afford million-dollar hillside homes tend to have the means to get away and to be able to shell out the $ for a hotel room?
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please! him and his rich buddies love the cheap foreign labor. That would be like burning money to them.
yeah of course. And since its not packed and it has working electricity and water, there isn't gonna be any chaos. Its just not the same situation.
no it's not...yet these people deserve the kiss-ass treatment from Bush?
also I can bet than none of the victims of these fires and their families will still be living in a FEMA trailer two years from now
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Yes, but in general, the people who are still living in FEMA trailers are people who have always relied on government handouts. They are, in general, incapable of helping themselves. The people in these nice homes that were burned in San Diego will likely have insurance to cover some of their losses, and will still have their careers, savings, investments, and independence from government. It should be an object lesson for everyone. Government is incapable of helping in any meaningful, large-scale way, creates dependence and saps any self-determination.
It is a failure of local government, why are you bringing Bush into this? Katrina's aftermath was brutal. You blame Bush. The fire evacuations were handled much better, and you blame Bush. We can see through you. Bush would not feed illegals to the flames. We can see the hate in you.
Also, Katrina and these fires are totally different beasts to deal with. I give credit to California and that is all that needs to be said.
Whether it was local government failure or not Bush inaction in the early moments after Katrina caused lives when he KNEW how bad things were in the Gulf region. Then he says FEMA head was doing a great job, yeah RIGHT!!
He just didn't give a shit. Look what his mother said, "These people are far better off" talking about people in the shelters. One can really see what kinds of people the really care about the rich.
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kiss ass treatment? I'm not sure i follow. He's on the scene doing what he should have done in New Orleans. What is he supposed to do, ignore it like he did before? I'm sure he probably doesn't give a shit about this any more than New Orleans, but at least he's finally acting like a president should. I guess better late than never.
I'm as cynical about this as anyone, but they aren't being treated better because they are rich white people, its because Bush knows he and the republicans will be fucked again if he doesn't do something. Bush is an equal oppurtunity fuckwad, he didn't give a shit about all the white people in east Louisiana and southern Mississippi who had their whole towns wiped out any more than blacks in New Orleans. He couldn't even be bothered to watch the news.
Tax cuts and kickbacks are not government handouts. That is newspeak straight out of 1984. I agree that Qualcom is probably a government handout. I have always been against government funded ball parks, arenas and stadiums. But that isn't really the handout I was talking about. It is a short-term, one-shot deal to provide temporary refuge.
yeah i was gonna say i doubt Bush has much say in this anyway. This is more of a state matter. California is super rich and can hande this pretty easily, Louisiana is poor and corrupt. And after Katrina, everyone is going to be better prepared.
I'm not at all saying that victims of the SoCal fires don't deserve to be treated well or that they shouldn't receive attention from the President. I'm saying that the victims of Katrina deserved equal respect and attention and two years later they're still waiting for it.
just who is it that i hate? if you think I have hatred for anyone other than a slight bit for Bush (whom has done plenty to deserve it) than you're delusional. I don't happen to take the stance that illegal aleins are responsible for every ill the US faces....unlike most republicans.
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You don't make statements like "Bush would throw illegals to the flames if he could" without a lot of hate inside. Those statements are ludicrous. All the venom from the liberal extreme has gotten them nowhere. We are still in Iraq. It is time to change the message. You even have Congressman saying that Bush delights in the deaths in Iraq. It is disturbing, because level-headed people don't make those statements.
Those same people in New Orleans that want help voted one of their biggest problems to a new term as mayor.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071026/ts_nm/california_wildfire1_dc
The four bodies found near the Mexican border were likely illegal immigrants who were overrun by flames as they walked through the rugged terrain. The remote area is often used by coyotes -- guides who smuggle people into the United States for profit.
They appeared to have died in the Harris fire, U.S. Border Patrol spokesman Matthew Johnson said.
not that he threw them in the flames but do you honestly think Bush will shed a tear for these four people?
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Way way way to much is made of skin pigmentation in our society having it or not having it, too much focus on what doesn't amount to anything.
It's natural to feel empathy for anyone in such horrible situations as Katrina and these fires. In both cases many things could have and should have been better planned for but there is a reason they are called natural DISASTERS. Clearly the majority of people care and have empathy for people, but the size and scope of these disasters also slows response it's not simply a black or white thing.
New Orleans didn't even get hit by the storm and the government has sunk a shit ton of money into the region, they simply should have built the levees (and maintained them properly in the first place and considered that they could be hit by a hurricane and might want to leave the wetlands intact etc. have the pumps work unattended and flooded blase blase)
The superdome, was becoming a dump long before Katrina, it's a dome and it's not a good staging area for that kind of pandemonium. New Orleans had an evac plan and for some stupid reason Nagin chose not to follow it and send people to the dome. Dosen't really have to do with race. They pay more taxes and have more effective politicians thus have better infrastructure (which is the #1 role of government anyway after protection)
In the case of Qualcomm, much better planning and logistics still, not race.
I'm willing to bet there are plenty of people of latin decent who are effected by the fires as well as black people, it's simply a wealthier area, again not race.
Economics yes, but Bush and the Federal government other than FEMA actually having a clue this time are not operating differently than they were then, not to mention this is an entirely different disaster, without the 3 day delay during which the poorly built levees actually held before the catastrophe that further delayed emergency response then the various agencies pissing and moaning with one another deciding who had what territory and whose job it was to distribute supplies etc.
I'm just saying definitively the New Orleans disaster was less about race and more about a comedy of errors hopefully that were learned from. People who have more education live more fruitful lives white brown yellow what have you and you set up your life so that almost no matter what happens you won't have to rely on the government to bail you out it won't matter what color you are. Relying on the government regardless of pigmentation pretty much fucks your life.
Hopefully in this instance, state, local, federal and private are working toegther to expedite the relief.
While I agree with 99.9% of your comments I must say being a citizen of San Diego County I have witnessed the way that our community came together to help those that were displaced by this disaster (one local business that I know of donated $50,000 to the relief fund). It doesn't matter what ethnicity the evacuees were they all got the same treatment . The community provided everything they possibly could to make the evacuees feel at home, everything ranging from bands/face painters/dancers/massage areas/acupuncturists (none of this had anything to do with the government...it was all local support) While a lot of those things are not "necessities", it definitely made the people feel happy and took their minds off of the reality of what was happening for awhile. I would have to imagine that something was definitely learned from the way Katrina victims were handled. And my heart goes out to those still displaced by Katrina, and I know it will take years upon years for SD to fully recover from these devastating fires. The San Diego situation seems to be going smoothly from what I can tell and I think it has A LOT to do with the aftermath of Katrina.
Sidenote: At the highest count, there were over 10,000 people at Qualcomm and Qualcomm alone, that doesn't include people who were staying with friends/family (I personally was a host as were my neighbors on either side), hotels and other evacuation sites. At last count over 500,000 people in SD County alone were evacuated.
No, and neither did you. But you would use their deaths to support your own agenda.
yeah definately. i kinda got sidetracked with the Bush thing. I doubt he has much impact at all in this situation, just saying he wouldn't make the same mistake twice.
The way San Diego is handling it is the right way to go. I lived in New Orleans during Katrina and (perhaps stupidly) evacuated to southern Mississippi, and the response in Mississippi was very similar to the way it is in San Diego. People worked together and helped each other out, and a better state and local response made things much easier. An hour after the storm passed, people were out with chainsaws clearing the streets and helping others. If you wait on the government to help you'll be waiting a long time.
as for using their deaths to futher my agenda, you really are delusional. I actually feel bad for these people.
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Wow, I just entered this thread and was wondering how many posts it would be before someone played the class warfare/race card.... To my "GREAT SURPRISE", it was really soon...
It was a very unfortunate situation two years ago, and it still is very unfortunate today.... However, the people who are still looking for gov't assistance today will probably never recover to the point where they are living in any better quarters than FEMA trailers.... Just my opinion.
Did you cry? Could you not go out to dinner and laugh with your friends about random crap 3 hours after you found out?
Edit: And hell, you used their deaths to support your statement that Bush would send illegals into a fire if he could even though Bush had nothing to do with their deaths. So yeah, you are using their deaths for your own agenda, otherwise you would have never brought them up in your response to my reponse regarding your initial comment.
I want to start by apologizing that the last four days for me have all run together, I was awake for 41 hours straight in anticipation of being evacuated (and thankfully it never happened, although I was prepared). Somewhere along the way I did read something on a message board or somewhere that we shouldn't count on the federal government for aid and what-have-you but we have to rely on the community as a whole for assistance. So far, that is exactly what I've seen...down to the local congresspeople expressing disdain for anyone who tries to take advantage of the people (looting, insurance fraud, etc.). So as of right now I see San Diego as a beautiful community, that I am proud to be a part of, willing to come to the assistance of fellow residence. At one point I did hear there were more volunteers than evacuees at Qualcomm..that in itself says a lot about this community.
Exactly, great points.... The governor of California and the city and local gov't in San Diego have been a great example of how to act in a crisis....
Unfortunately for the people in New Orleans and the entire state of Louisiana, they had an idiot governor and a buffoon for a mayor that just aggravated an already difficult situation with their indecision and incompetence......
I was watching some footage yesterday of a woman who was "evacuated to Qualcomm" and she had two plastic bags (that I could see) and she was loading them up with all of the toiletries that she possibly could. I could tell what she was doing and I thought it was extremely inappropriate but how can you possibly separate those that need from those that want?
P.S. The woman was white.
Heck of a job, Brownie!
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Take a look at Post #22... I was responding to something that was said in Post # 2........ I don't care if the woman was white, black, yellow, green or red. If she legitimately needs those items than it's all good----if it's truly needed and won't be wasted.
hmmm. that's real white of ya.
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I was originally responding to your "race card" post #22...after your last post I went back and read #2's post...and I still stand by what I said in my response. If anyone (not just you Delaware Vol) saw what I saw on TV, you would have had my same gut reaction...whether I am right or wrong about her intentions, it was definitely suspicious but I am sure she had some type of need for the products...it just seemed extremely excessive.