CALIFORNIA FIRES: Stadium like a resort vs. Superdome

prism

Delaware Vol wrote:

Very funny Prism, but I'd only be concerned with her legal status.... Again, I would be concerned that citizens stranded in that stadium would be denied necessary food, supplies etc. because the city is having to provide for X amount of people that---really---shouldn't be here.

so it's American citizens that pick the food for your dinner table for $3. an hour? gotcha

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

My original argument is that this situation is poor grounds to bash Bushy on. There are plenty of other valid situations to blame on Bush, but this isn't one of them. the argument that he's quick to help the rich and ignore the poor isn't really valid here.

Pick your battles and be objective, rather than just have a kneejerk anti-Bush reaction every time he pops up in the news.

Delaware Vol

ontheflipside wrote:

I'm not hijacking this thread but from what I have seen...a majority of the supplies have been donated from private citizens and companies. I can't remember if I put this in one of my previous posts or not but at one point during the evacuations there were more voluteers at Qualcomm than there were evacuees...

Understood, but the reason this particular subject even came up was because someone referenced a thread that I had started earlier in the day. It was regarding an article that I read in the LA Times.... I actually made a post back on page 2 of this thread that this was the wrong thread to bring this up, but it's all good.

ontheflipside

Delaware Vol wrote:

Understood, but the reason this particular subject even came up was because someone referenced a thread that I had started earlier in the day. It was regarding an article that I read in the LA Times.... I actually made a post back on page 2 of this thread that this was the wrong thread to bring this up, but it's all good.

Ok, gotcha...like I said previously I don't normally post here and I am not familiar with the people here nor was I trying to hijack anyone's posts...I wasn't trying to start anything, I was just conveying what I had witnessed and my thoughts on the matter...

But now that I have actually posted here, I think I might stick around for awhile.

ontheflipside

prism wrote:

also I can bet than none of the victims of these fires and their families will still be living in a FEMA trailer two years from now

I wouldn't be so quick to say that...the Salvation Army just reported two days ago that they finally finished rebuilding the last home from the fires we had in 2003. So, the Katrina victims weren't the only ones that have had to be displaced for a long period of time.

The response from the community and the federal government has been pretty quick this time around and I am sure it is because lessons have been learned from our past experiences.

stickfig13

g under p wrote:

It's not surprising to me in this calamity that has happened in the California Fires they appears to be a major difference between and Katrina 2 years ago.

In many ways I feel no more empathy to the people in California than the people in the Gulf Region after Katrina. They can save their tears, the Bush Administrations says we don't want another Katrina to happen in California which to me is nonsense.

I gather if you have a mountain side view in a million dollar house you suddenly become a bit more important than other Americans who happen to look out at the Gulf of Mexico.

However this is how it appears to work in America land of the free, yeah right.


Stadium like a resort vs. Superdome


Video of fire evacuees at Qualcomm Stadium

Peace

Here we go! I thought one of you idiots would say this. San Diegans came together to help each other. I was at Qualcomm, I have never seen anything like it. People donating everything they could to help the people displaced. Mountains of supplies bought and given to those who needed them! Citizens of San Diego reaching into their own pockets (however deep they may be) to buy supplies for strangers.

I seem to remember the exact opposite after Katrina. The rain hadn't even stopped and people were already running down the streets with stolen goods. Maybe the government didn't react fast enough......

It shouldn't matter! People stealing from each other instead of helping each other is not the govt's fault!

I wish all of you could see how selfless the people of my city were the last week. 500,000+ people run out of their homes and no significant displays of human waste like Katrina.

MakingWaves

I know it has already been said but it is local government and citizens that have made the California situation better then Katrina and will make it easier to overcome.

Ebizzie

Sorry, but what a shit thread. Paco was the only one to even come close to touching on the real issue here.

On one hand you have a city with wildfires ravaging homes. Evacuees are sent to the local football stadium. There are highways open to bring supplies to the shelter and there are people within 50 miles who have been unaffected by the fires who are willing to step up and help. There is power at the dome, tap water available, etc.

On the other hand you have a city which was LITERALLY underwater, absolutely no in or out to the dome, aka supply lines. There was no way for volunteers to make it to the dome to help out. The city was literally destroyed; infrastructure demolished, power gone, water contaminated, no law enforcement to speak of (you can loot in water, you can't loop a burnt building)...a true mess. Hell, even communications to the city were extremely unreliable at best. I work in telecomm and we lost everything in the NO area, as a broadband provider we had absolutely nothing in the way of bandwidth heading into NO, nor did numerous other carriers.

Don't bring up race. Don't bring up money. Don't bring up governments. You CANNOT compare these two situations as they are completely different beasts. No doubt there were governmental breakdowns after Katrina, but in contrast it'd be awfully difficult to fuck up the evacuations in San Diego.

mookie blaylock 10

g under p wrote:

It's not surprising to me in this calamity that has happened in the California Fires they appears to be a major difference between and Katrina 2 years ago.

In many ways I feel no more empathy to the people in California than the people in the Gulf Region after Katrina. They can save their tears, the Bush Administrations says we don't want another Katrina to happen in California which to me is nonsense.

I gather if you have a mountain side view in a million dollar house you suddenly become a bit more important than other Americans who happen to look out at the Gulf of Mexico.

However this is how it appears to work in America land of the free, yeah right.


Stadium like a resort vs. Superdome


Video of fire evacuees at Qualcomm Stadium

Peace

excellent post g under p. excellent point. i recall people bringing up the possibilty of natural disasters happening in other, more wealthy areas and the people being treated better than those on the south were. they were greeted with harsh comments about that being ridiculous. it's fairly evident that some areas, and some people, are more "important" than others. their logistics excuses were bullshit.