If Pj played the superbowl halftime show

sapperskunk · February 2007

Pacomc79 wrote:

Corporate Sponsorship. Advertisement. etc. etc. You're right the early bands either play for free or get very little compensation other than food or beverages or getting to hang with Ozzy or whoever else they idolize on that tour, exposure is much more important. Hell you could consider it a public service for the headlining bands. If the younger bands are any good they almost always get picked up by the more established bands or thier record companies playing the festivals and that's big dollars, not to mention selling a few Albums and or shirts or stickers, and they get to play on great PA equipment with real engineers instead of a dirty tiny club with ragged speakers and their tone deaf friend running the board. Even the large bands may take a little less than usual to be on the festival tour... Festivals are a lot less work too for everyone (of the artists anyway the promoter and slightly larger crew is balls out but you get my point I think), even the headliner rarely plays a full set.

How did the fee for Nofx and the Vandals compare to say Pennywise or Fugazi or Social Distortion what have you? Most of the ones I've been to for well estabilished bands of that style are around 30 -40 bucks. That's still a reasonable concert ticket, but that's very much on the high end for that segment of the music industry.

It's a fun job, but it's still a job. I'm not begrudging anyone for making good money for getting to the pinnacle of their profession especially if they put on a good high value show.

I've never payed more than 25 dollars for a SINGLE concert my entire life. I saw Social D last year for like 22 bucks or something. Pennywise just played not too long ago but I had to work. I can't imagine them charging any more than social D.

I wouldn't mind seeing PJ for 25 bucks if they played on a Budweiser sponsored tour or something.

There are some ethics involved though. PJ could do it right if they wanted to and satisfy everyone. But they don't.

soulsinging · February 2007

sapperskunk wrote:

How do these festivals charge considerably less and have many more artists to pay and employees to take care of? Logistically speaking, national tours like Warped tour or Ozzfest are considerably more complicated than a PJ show. Their like 30 bucks. I'm sure the bands at the bottom get paid shit, but the headliners are still rolling in it and they seem to keep drawing big acts.

And I saw NOFX and the Vandals a couple years back at the gorge and that was most definately a world class show.

those festivals usually sell a lot more tickets than a pearl jam show and make a ton of money off merchants who pay to sell their wares at the show, as well as concessions. all that money goes to the promoters who can pay a flat fee to the bands involved rather than giving them ticket proceeds. venue concessions at an arena go to the house, not pearl jam. they make their money solely off ticket sales and merch. festivals get to expand their income through "rent", flat payouts to bands, more attendees, and control over almost every aspect of the festival.

soulsinging · February 2007

sapperskunk wrote:

I've never payed more than 25 dollars for a SINGLE concert my entire life. I saw Social D last year for like 22 bucks or something. Pennywise just played not too long ago but I had to work. I can't imagine them charging any more than social D.

I wouldn't mind seeing PJ for 25 bucks if they played on a Budweiser sponsored tour or something.

There are some ethics involved though. PJ could do it right if they wanted to and satisfy everyone. But they don't.

so you're saying for pearl jam to do it "right" the way you want, they should allow their tour to be sponsored by budwesier? that certainly sounds like a much larger sacrifice of their values than a rising ticket price.

were those ticket prices before ot after ticketmaster fees?

blackredyellow · February 2007

sapperskunk wrote:

There are some ethics involved though. PJ could do it right if they wanted to and satisfy everyone. But they don't.

And how exactly could they do that?

callen · February 2007

cincybearcat wrote:

No. I'd be happy to be able to watch them. The term 'sell-out' is used far to frequently.

And that said...Prince was actually pretty damn good last night.

he did really good job...rain didn't affect him...also he has to turn on the jacksons to his surgeon....he's good. The boy didn't look a day over 30.

tara · February 2007

Jeanwah wrote:

Sell out to corporate sponser? Can't see it happening. Although I'd like to see them...

i agree, at the t.o show last year they even turned off all the lights above the doors that advertise for visa and various beers, i'd never seen that done at any of the concerts/bball games i've seen at that stadium

sapperskunk · February 2007

soulsinging wrote:

so you're saying for pearl jam to do it "right" the way you want, they should allow their tour to be sponsored by budwesier? that certainly sounds like a much larger sacrifice of their values than a rising ticket price.

were those ticket prices before ot after ticketmaster fees?

Budweiser was just an example. I got beer on the mind.

They could do like Gibson guitars or something, or any other product they regularly use to help lift the burden off of the people that made them rich, the fans, it's the least they could do.

If I can't weasel my way onto a guest list, then my work might hook me up with a ticket to a show for free, but occasionally (and more often now) I've been fitting the bill.

The average show I pay for is like 15-20 dollars before additional charges. I can't remember the last time I used ticketmaster, but ticketswest's surcharge is 5.50 I think. So I lied, I've spent 25.50 on a show.

And that's a pretty hefty surcharge for a 20 dollar ticket. I totally see where PJ was coming from with their fight against ticketmaster when they charged that much. What's the point now? They know people will spend their dough regardless.

miller8966 · February 2007

i have no problem spending 50-75 dollars to see pearl jam...i know im going to get a great show.

gue_barium · February 2007

I only read the first page, so, apologies if this was already brought up. What type of setlist? Or, what would be a good medley montage?

sapperskunk · February 2007

cincybearcat wrote:

Good points...very true. And I too am willing to pay the prices (for now) because of the quality of the product. But I can see people's point when they talk about ticket prices getting higher. It hasn't stopped me from going, and it probably never will, but I'm sure it has become cost prohibitive for some. Anyhow, doesn't matter. And certainly Pearl Jam is not a 'sell-out' band...whatever that means.

I completely agree.

Why doesn't PJ do what Ozzy just announced. Talk about a noble guy, this blows my mind.

http://music.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1256895.php/Ozzfest_2007_..._for_free

BarkingDogs · February 2007

sapperskunk wrote:

I completely agree.

Why doesn't PJ do what Ozzy just announced. Talk about a noble guy, this blows my mind.

http://music.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1256895.php/Ozzfest_2007_..._for_free

they would have to sell alot more PJ socks before they could afford to do this...

sponger · February 2007

I'd rather see them play the puppy bowl on animal planet. Anyone else watch this year's puppy bowl? Two of the puppies were a couple of scrappers who just kept running around and harassing the other puppies, who were too preoccupied with the chew toys and guarding the water bowls at the field goals. funny stuff...the water bowl cam..lmao.

blackredyellow · February 2007

sapperskunk wrote:

I completely agree.

Why doesn't PJ do what Ozzy just announced. Talk about a noble guy, this blows my mind.

http://music.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1256895.php/Ozzfest_2007_..._for_free

I read that earlier and I can't wait to see exactly how they are going to do it. It will more than likely be a logistical nightmare. From a venue standpoint, free tickets are never a good idea, because you have no idea how many people are going to actually show up.

soulsinging · February 2007

sapperskunk wrote:

Budweiser was just an example. I got beer on the mind.

They could do like Gibson guitars or something, or any other product they regularly use to help lift the burden off of the people that made them rich, the fans, it's the least they could do.

If I can't weasel my way onto a guest list, then my work might hook me up with a ticket to a show for free, but occasionally (and more often now) I've been fitting the bill.

The average show I pay for is like 15-20 dollars before additional charges. I can't remember the last time I used ticketmaster, but ticketswest's surcharge is 5.50 I think. So I lied, I've spent 25.50 on a show.

And that's a pretty hefty surcharge for a 20 dollar ticket. I totally see where PJ was coming from with their fight against ticketmaster when they charged that much. What's the point now? They know people will spend their dough regardless.

this is hilarious. you bitch about pearl jam compromising their values then say they should hawk corporate gear to make your ticket cheaper. that's too funny. "they sold out"... i think you mean they haven't sold out enough for you.

ticketmaster is way more than $5 a ticket, and sadly, they have exclusive contracts with pretty much every venue a band like pearl jam is able to play. i know you think you deserve special treatment seeing as how you're a super-important radio dj and all, but im sorry to say, you don't. id pay $100 for a ticket before id see "budweiser presents... PEARL JAM!" they could have a rep come out during the encore and urge us all to grab 2 more before last call... ed could wear a budweiser jacket... stone could restrict his onstage banter to "damn, the palace brews a damn fine bud!" yeah, that's what pearl jam has always stood for...

but hey... tickets would be about $10 cheaper!

pearl jam will never be able to do a $20 ticket again. suck it up. they're not your pet hardcore punk band that nobody in this country gives a shit about paying to see. they're one of the biggest and most well liked and respected bands of the last 15 years, and they're going to play big venues that cost a lot more money to play in. deal with it. or stop going. i wont miss your whining.

even flow? · February 2007

blackredyellow wrote:

I read that earlier and I can't wait to see exactly how they are going to do it. It will more than likely be a logistical nightmare. From a venue standpoint, free tickets are never a good idea, because you have no idea how many people are going to actually show up.

It will probably be first come, first served at ticketmaster. For a small fee no doubt. And the kicker will be that the people who don't get tix will still be paying to a scalper to get to go.

Dustin51 · February 2007

PJ plays a better show and puts more into each show then any band I've ever personally seen. They could charge us twice as much for tickets and it would be worth it but they dont.

I'm curious if this guy who's complaining goes to work for free everyday? I'm sure his job contributes to society in some way so way get paid for it. Do it out of the goodness of your heart. Walk the talk brother.

sapperskunk · February 2007

soulsinging wrote:

this is hilarious. you bitch about pearl jam compromising their values then say they should hawk corporate gear to make your ticket cheaper. that's too funny. "they sold out"... i think you mean they haven't sold out enough for you.

ticketmaster is way more than $5 a ticket, and sadly, they have exclusive contracts with pretty much every venue a band like pearl jam is able to play. i know you think you deserve special treatment seeing as how you're a super-important radio dj and all, but im sorry to say, you don't. id pay $100 for a ticket before id see "budweiser presents... PEARL JAM!" they could have a rep come out during the encore and urge us all to grab 2 more before last call... ed could wear a budweiser jacket... stone could restrict his onstage banter to "damn, the palace brews a damn fine bud!" yeah, that's what pearl jam has always stood for...

but hey... tickets would be about $10 cheaper!

pearl jam will never be able to do a $20 ticket again. suck it up. they're not your pet hardcore punk band that nobody in this country gives a shit about paying to see. they're one of the biggest and most well liked and respected bands of the last 15 years, and they're going to play big venues that cost a lot more money to play in. deal with it. or stop going. i wont miss your whining.

Geez Soulsinging, you gonna squirt a few tears for me.

Obviously I'll never be able to explain this to the likes of you. Take an econ class.

My sell out line to Illinoisemakers was an inside joke. Sorry. :rolleyes:

Well maybe you can afford 100 dollar tickets, the average teenager can't. Read that like to PJ's statement again. Then read it again. And finally read it one more time. In your case a bakers dozen should do it.

Chin up kiddo, your fighting the good fight.

sapperskunk · February 2007

Dustin51 wrote:

PJ plays a better show and puts more into each show then any band I've ever personally seen. They could charge us twice as much for tickets and it would be worth it but they dont.

I'm curious if this guy who's complaining goes to work for free everyday? I'm sure his job contributes to society in some way so way get paid for it. Do it out of the goodness of your heart. Walk the talk brother.

I do work for free. My station only has a few paid DJ's sadly I'm too new to be incorporated on that pay chart. But some freebies are nice.

I also started a non-profit that I spring for, out of my own pocket. And I'm volunteering for "Big Brothers".

So yeah, I do work for free. And it feels great.

cincybearcat · February 2007

Dustin51 wrote:

I'm curious if this guy who's complaining goes to work for free everyday? I'm sure his job contributes to society in some way so way get paid for it. Do it out of the goodness of your heart. Walk the talk brother.

I'm also betting that he never issued a statement saying he works for less because he knows his employers can't afford it...and then ask for a healthy raise.

soulsinging · February 2007

sapperskunk wrote:

Geez Soulsinging, you gonna squirt a few tears for me.

Obviously I'll never be able to explain this to the likes of you. Take an econ class.

My sell out line to Illinoisemakers was an inside joke. Sorry. :rolleyes:

Well maybe you can afford 100 dollar tickets, the average teenager can't. Read that like to PJ's statement again. Then read it again. And finally read it one more time. In your case a bakers dozen should do it.

Chin up kiddo, your fighting the good fight.

this was directed to sapperskunk, the resident whiner about how pearl jam has sold out by charging too much while demanding that they get corporate sponsorship to avoid selling out, which is ridiculous. also, pj tickets are nowhere near $100.

If Pj played the superbowl halftime show

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