Nice.... a quote from 1994... $50 then was at the high range of ticket prices, now it's usually the third or fourth price level for a concert. And they had what, three albums out at that point?
If you don't want to pay $50-$60 for a Pearl Jam concert ticket, then don't go, simple enough.
Economics and inflation my friend. Here's a great article, a little old but still very applicable.
"Using box office information maintained by Pollstar, an organization that provides concert tour schedules, box office results and other music industry-related data, Krueger discovered that in the last five years concert ticket prices have grown by 61 percent, while the Consumer Price Index (the measure of the price of all consumer goods) increased by just 13 percent. Further, the cost of concert tickets now outpaces the other entertainment sectors -- movies, sporting events, theater -- by about 30 percent"
Oh and don't worry, I haven't gone since 2000 when they played three days in a row for like 20 bucks at Memorial Stadium. Multiple shows, kept the price down.
i'm not a deadhead, genius. i just thought those were some of the most trite and utterly predictable lyrics i've ever read. granola, tree hugging, vw bus. wow, sooooo original.
hardcore punks can write brilliant lyrics too. unless they suck.
Geez man, it's like a joke song, the rest of their catologue is relatively serious. Take the fork out of your butt for a second deadhead.
I'm sure your well versed in hardcore :rolleyes: You seem to have the easy listening, acoustic, cry in my beer, I want to cut myself market cornered.
Where have I heard your stuff before? Oh yeah! You like Elliot Smith much.
I'm sure you can relate to the deep introspective lyrics to TV party by hardcore legends Black Flag. Give me some of your fave hardcore acts. I would just love to pick them apart.
Not to mention their association with skinheads of the hard-right persuasion.
Though, to be fair, I believe they're more on the "fence-sitter" side of things; i.e. stopping short of advocating Nazism.
Unforunately, skinheads love the Anti-Heroes. The idea of "American Oi" intrigues and seduces people of the hard right. They've been trying to get away from that image for a very very long time. In the movie American History X, the big huge guy, I forget his name, has an Anti-Heroes tattoo on his wrist.
They filed a suit, because the movie producers essentially associated them with racists.
I wouldn't even call them close to being on "the fence sitters". Unless you consider SHARP's to be racist nazi's. Which is incorrect.
Not to mention their association with skinheads of the hard-right persuasion.
Though, to be fair, I believe they're more on the "fence-sitter" side of things; i.e. stopping short of advocating Nazism.
Wow Raindog, I am thoroughly impressed with your musical knowledge. That's not an easy one. Not to many people are aware of a little podunk hardcore band that started 23 years ago.
Unforunately, skinheads love the Anti-Heroes. The idea of "American Oi" intrigues and seduces people of the hard right. They've been trying to get away from that image for a very very long time. In the movie American History X, the big huge guy, I forget his name, has an Anti-Heroes tattoo on his wrist.
They filed a suit, because the movie producers essentially associated them with racists.
I wouldn't even call them close to being on "the fence sitters". Unless you consider SHARP's to be racist nazi's. Which is incorrect.
I'm familiar with SHARPs. Moshed with more than a few in my younger days. I'm also aware that a band can't always choose their audience. However, when you sing songs about stringing people up from trees or wishing AIDS on them; well, you know - to paraphrase the words of Vincent Vega, they probably didn't expect the audience to react like they did, but they had to expect a reaction.
I hear they did win that suit against the producers of American History X, though. Good for them.
I'm familiar with SHARPs. Moshed with more than a few in my younger days. I'm also aware that a band can't always choose their audience. However, when you sing songs about stringing people up from trees or wishing AIDS on them; well, you know - to paraphrase the words of Vincent Vega, they probably didn't expect the audience to react like they did, but they had to expect a reaction.
I hear they did win that suit against the producers of American History X, though. Good for them.
That's like, super cool dude.
"Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Wow Raindog, I am thoroughly impressed with your musical knowledge. That's not an easy one. Not to many people are aware of a little podunk hardcore band that started 23 years ago.
I've hung out with my fair share of punks - though, I must admit, with the Anti-Heroes, it's more like I know of them. Heard a song or two, read some of their lyrics. Not really my cup of tea.
I'm also pretty old (by rock and roll standards) - so 23 years isn't all that far back.
I'm familiar with SHARPs. Moshed with more than a few in my younger days. I'm also aware that a band can't always choose their audience. However, when you sing songs about stringing people up from trees or wishing AIDS on them; well, you know - to paraphrase the words of Vincent Vega, they probably didn't expect the audience to react like they did, but they had to expect a reaction.
I hear they did win that suit against the producers of American History X, though. Good for them.
This is FUCKING Great! I can finally relate to someone on these boards. Your like my new best friend.
And as far as the stringing people up/die of Aids thing. C'mon, it's totally an eye for an eye thing for some assholes who decided to carve up a homeless guy.
Heres the story of three punks with a burning desire
To be gangsters to be guns for hire
Moreland ave. on a hot summer night
Pete wanted to kill someone and do it tonight
He's the boy that did the ultimate sin
Got the blood of christ dripping from his skin
With his silver spoon and his beady eyes
He decided who should live and who should die
Murderer, Pete is a Murder
Dressed in suits, dressed for the kill
Walking to the bridge at the bottom of the hill
Looked for a passed out bum and they found one
Pete slit his throat just for fun
The bum went running through the bushes and weeds
They held his arms and made him bleed
Headlights flashing and the world spun around
The man was screaming when he hit the ground
Murderer, Paul is a Murder
I wept and wondered what should i say
About the children who threw a mans life away
Were you men or were you gods
Or suburban brats whose lives were a fraud
Scum like you don't deserve to live free
I think you'd look good hangin' from a tree
No remorse when you dealt all of the spades
I hope you get raped in jail and die of aids
Murderer, Francois is a Murder
Who should live and who should die (3x)
This is FUCKING Great! I can finally relate to someone on these boards. Your like my new best friend.
And as far as the stringing people up/die of Aids thing. C'mon, it's totally an eye for an eye thing for some assholes who decided to carve up a homeless guy.
Heres the story of three punks with a burning desire
To be gangsters to be guns for hire
Moreland ave. on a hot summer night
Pete wanted to kill someone and do it tonight
He's the boy that did the ultimate sin
Got the blood of christ dripping from his skin
With his silver spoon and his beady eyes
He decided who should live and who should die
Murderer, Pete is a Murder
Dressed in suits, dressed for the kill
Walking to the bridge at the bottom of the hill
Looked for a passed out bum and they found one
Pete slit his throat just for fun
The bum went running through the bushes and weeds
They held his arms and made him bleed
Headlights flashing and the world spun around
The man was screaming when he hit the ground
Murderer, Paul is a Murder
I wept and wondered what should i say
About the children who threw a mans life away
Were you men or were you gods
Or suburban brats whose lives were a fraud
Scum like you don't deserve to live free
I think you'd look good hangin' from a tree
No remorse when you dealt all of the spades
I hope you get raped in jail and die of aids
Murderer, Francois is a Murder
Who should live and who should die (3x)
If anyone would be pissed by that, i would wonder why that would offend them more than $95 Casino Shows, Ed marrying a model, Doing an AOL Sessions, a VH1 Storytellers, Playing shows at venues owned by ClearChannel or allowing their album to be sold through ticketmaster.
PJ has comprimised a lot of their supposed ideals countless times, under the guise of "getting their message out." which is definately their right...
and if people dont blame them for the things i mentioned, then they definately should not be blamed for appearing at a SuperBowl Halftime show.
I wouldn't really care. I didn't care when YL was used in Friends. But I'd probably miss it anyway, I never can seem to catch those things.
I always watched friends, always. Yet I didn't see that episode until like three weeks ago. All my friends saw it, even some who don't like pearl jam saw it.
If anyone would be pissed by that, i would wonder why that would offend them more than $95 Casino Shows, Ed marrying a model, Doing an AOL Sessions, a VH1 Storytellers, Playing shows at venues owned by ClearChannel or allowing their album to be sold through ticketmaster.
PJ has comprimised a lot of their supposed ideals countless times, under the guise of "getting their message out." which is definately their right...
and if people dont blame them for the things i mentioned, then they definately should not be blamed for appearing at a SuperBowl Halftime show.
Ed marrying a model, how does that make pearl jam sellouts?
While I think selling out is the most overused and inappropriately used term in the world, when actually have they had corporate sponsorship?
I agree with the abuse and misuse of the term, but "corporate sponsorship" is a pretty broad term. Depends on who you ask. Some would say by signing with a major label, you've already sold out.
I always watched friends, always. Yet I didn't see that episode until like three weeks ago. All my friends saw it, even some who don't like pearl jam saw it.
I fucking miss everything. SNL performances. Late night show performances...hell, I had to catch story tellers on its second or third viewing.
Ed marrying a model, how does that make pearl jam sellouts?
Im not saying their sellouts. Sellout to me is only used to describe bands that change their art for commercial gain.
Ed marrying a model just is something i bring up that 12 years ago (see: blood lyrics) that pearl jam wouldnt have done. I dont blame the guy, shes hot.
Im not saying their sellouts. Sellout to me is only used to describe bands that change their art for commercial gain.
Ed marrying a model just is something i bring up that 12 years ago (see: blood lyrics) that pearl jam wouldnt have done. I dont blame the guy, shes hot.
Well, pearl jam didn't marry a model.
I agree with your definition of selling out. I think they are getting more realistic, though, and feel forced to compromise their ideals. How else would they be able to satisfy their fans and I do think they honestly care about their fans.
Wow, sounds like I struck a chord. Take a step back from the computer, take a deep breath and relaaaaax.
Ya know, for someone who's so far on the left, you sure do put the money in the pockets of hardcore capitalists.
Yeah, ticketmaster's terrible :rolleyes: . But really, a six dollar surcharge sure doesn't seem like much when PJ charges 60 bucks a ticket.
What kind of terribly shitty indie bands are you seeing for 35 bucks? Yikes, you really should get out more.
The great rock and roll swindle continues.
Here you go genius, you should be good at doing research by now. Here's one from the desk of PJ themselves.
"Many of Pearl Jam's most loyal fans are teenagers who do not have the money to pay the $50 or more that is often charged today for tickets to a popular concert. Although, given our popularity, we could undoubtedly continue to sell-out our concerts with ticket prices at that premium level, we have made a conscious decision that we do not want to put the price of our concerts out of the reach of many of our fans. Moreover, we do not want to be responsible for teenagers, who may be influenced by peer pressure to feel that they must see Pearl Jam perform, spending more money for that concert ticket than they can really afford. All of the members of Pearl Jam remember what it is like not to have a lot of money, and we recognize that a teenager's perceived need to see his or her favorite band in concert can often be overwhelming."
when was that statement issued? pj charges $50, ticketmaster tacks on another $10. things could be worse. ive bought $20 concert tickets... TM charges a $7-8 convenience fee, $5 order processing fee, and venue charges. (whatever those are). im simply saying that is the name of the game.. YOU are the one bitching about the capitalism of the process. pearl jam's tickets are consistently under $50 pre-TM. suck it up big boy. does your mommy's allowance make it hard for you to go to shows or something?
im not very far to the left at all, you can ask the libs around here. so quit complaining. for a right-winger that wants to whine about liberal "handouts" you sure do seem to have quite a sense of entitlement when it comes to pearl jam.
Economics and inflation my friend. Here's a great article, a little old but still very applicable.
"Using box office information maintained by Pollstar, an organization that provides concert tour schedules, box office results and other music industry-related data, Krueger discovered that in the last five years concert ticket prices have grown by 61 percent, while the Consumer Price Index (the measure of the price of all consumer goods) increased by just 13 percent. Further, the cost of concert tickets now outpaces the other entertainment sectors -- movies, sporting events, theater -- by about 30 percent"
Oh and don't worry, I haven't gone since 2000 when they played three days in a row for like 20 bucks at Memorial Stadium. Multiple shows, kept the price down.
and this is pearl jam's fault? man, if only ed knew the power he had to single-handedly shape the nation's economy...
when was that statement issued? pj charges $50, ticketmaster tacks on another $10. things could be worse. ive bought $20 concert tickets... TM charges a $7-8 convenience fee, $5 order processing fee, and venue charges. (whatever those are). im simply saying that is the name of the game.. YOU are the one bitching about the capitalism of the process. pearl jam's tickets are consistently under $50 pre-TM. suck it up big boy. does your mommy's allowance make it hard for you to go to shows or something?
im not very far to the left at all, you can ask the libs around here. so quit complaining. for a right-winger that wants to whine about liberal "handouts" you sure do seem to have quite a sense of entitlement when it comes to pearl jam.
Oh man this is too rich.
Read the article (a couple of times in your case), take intro to macroeconomics (a couple of times in your case), look at the latest numbers (a couple of times in your case), http://bea.gov/ then maybe you'll figure it out.
Yeah, my mommy won't pay for concerts anymore. Way to stick it to me Tony Toughstuff. :rolleyes:
After speaking to my attorney, (illinoisemakers) I have been advised that it would behoove me not to comment on my official position regarding Pearl Jam's ticket prices and music at this present time.
Well I'm a libertarian. The only hard right position I take, is on the war in Iraq, but then, I'm a biased opinion of course.
Sorry if I offended ya kiddo, I'm sure your a down-the-middle kind of guy.
Allright allright, I promise I'll stop complaining about your shitty sense of reality
Read the article (a couple of times in your case), take intro to macroeconomics (a couple of times in your case), look at the latest numbers (a couple of times in your case), http://bea.gov/ then maybe you'll figure it out.
im a law student, not an econ major. that does, however, give me the ability to read an article and realize that it says nothing about pearl jam. in fact, it says EXACTLY what i had just said: that concert ticket prices have gone through the roof across the board and pearl jam is far from the only band whose prices have gone up. even so, they are still much cheaper than they could be. they could be charging what u2 and bruce springsteen charge, but they dont. shit, the cost of gas itself could easily have tripled their touring expenses by itself.
so since im just a dunce, perhaps you will have to explain to me how that article invalidates any of my points? pearl jam's prices have gone up like everyone else's. maybe the ticket industry is jacking consumers to an extent, but pearl jam tickets, as far as huge name arena acts go, are still very reasonable.
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Economics and inflation my friend. Here's a great article, a little old but still very applicable.
"Using box office information maintained by Pollstar, an organization that provides concert tour schedules, box office results and other music industry-related data, Krueger discovered that in the last five years concert ticket prices have grown by 61 percent, while the Consumer Price Index (the measure of the price of all consumer goods) increased by just 13 percent. Further, the cost of concert tickets now outpaces the other entertainment sectors -- movies, sporting events, theater -- by about 30 percent"
http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S01/18/72I40/index.xml
Oh and don't worry, I haven't gone since 2000 when they played three days in a row for like 20 bucks at Memorial Stadium. Multiple shows, kept the price down.
What did you expect from a hardcore punk outfit?
Uh oh, did they offend your band deadhead?
Geez man, it's like a joke song, the rest of their catologue is relatively serious. Take the fork out of your butt for a second deadhead.
I'm sure your well versed in hardcore :rolleyes: You seem to have the easy listening, acoustic, cry in my beer, I want to cut myself market cornered.
Where have I heard your stuff before? Oh yeah! You like Elliot Smith much.
I'm sure you can relate to the deep introspective lyrics to TV party by hardcore legends Black Flag. Give me some of your fave hardcore acts. I would just love to pick them apart.
Though, to be fair, I believe they're more on the "fence-sitter" side of things; i.e. stopping short of advocating Nazism.
Unforunately, skinheads love the Anti-Heroes. The idea of "American Oi" intrigues and seduces people of the hard right. They've been trying to get away from that image for a very very long time. In the movie American History X, the big huge guy, I forget his name, has an Anti-Heroes tattoo on his wrist.
They filed a suit, because the movie producers essentially associated them with racists.
I wouldn't even call them close to being on "the fence sitters". Unless you consider SHARP's to be racist nazi's. Which is incorrect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinheads_Against_Racial_Prejudice
I've listened to ALL your stuff man. For someone like me to say it's not bad, is a huge compliment. Kudos to your art.
Wow Raindog, I am thoroughly impressed with your musical knowledge. That's not an easy one. Not to many people are aware of a little podunk hardcore band that started 23 years ago.
I'd be happy to show you around and have you on my show.
I hear they did win that suit against the producers of American History X, though. Good for them.
That's like, super cool dude.
"What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."
Camden 5-28-06
Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
I'm also pretty old (by rock and roll standards) - so 23 years isn't all that far back.
This is FUCKING Great! I can finally relate to someone on these boards. Your like my new best friend.
And as far as the stringing people up/die of Aids thing. C'mon, it's totally an eye for an eye thing for some assholes who decided to carve up a homeless guy.
Heres the story of three punks with a burning desire
To be gangsters to be guns for hire
Moreland ave. on a hot summer night
Pete wanted to kill someone and do it tonight
He's the boy that did the ultimate sin
Got the blood of christ dripping from his skin
With his silver spoon and his beady eyes
He decided who should live and who should die
Murderer, Pete is a Murder
Dressed in suits, dressed for the kill
Walking to the bridge at the bottom of the hill
Looked for a passed out bum and they found one
Pete slit his throat just for fun
The bum went running through the bushes and weeds
They held his arms and made him bleed
Headlights flashing and the world spun around
The man was screaming when he hit the ground
Murderer, Paul is a Murder
I wept and wondered what should i say
About the children who threw a mans life away
Were you men or were you gods
Or suburban brats whose lives were a fraud
Scum like you don't deserve to live free
I think you'd look good hangin' from a tree
No remorse when you dealt all of the spades
I hope you get raped in jail and die of aids
Murderer, Francois is a Murder
Who should live and who should die (3x)
I really am the heart and soul of the moving train.
Without me this place would be one huge liberal hug fest.
I need to go watch Taxi Driver now.
PJ has comprimised a lot of their supposed ideals countless times, under the guise of "getting their message out." which is definately their right...
and if people dont blame them for the things i mentioned, then they definately should not be blamed for appearing at a SuperBowl Halftime show.
I always watched friends, always. Yet I didn't see that episode until like three weeks ago. All my friends saw it, even some who don't like pearl jam saw it.
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Ed marrying a model, how does that make pearl jam sellouts?
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I fucking miss everything. SNL performances. Late night show performances...hell, I had to catch story tellers on its second or third viewing.
Im not saying their sellouts. Sellout to me is only used to describe bands that change their art for commercial gain.
Ed marrying a model just is something i bring up that 12 years ago (see: blood lyrics) that pearl jam wouldnt have done. I dont blame the guy, shes hot.
Well, pearl jam didn't marry a model.
I agree with your definition of selling out. I think they are getting more realistic, though, and feel forced to compromise their ideals. How else would they be able to satisfy their fans and I do think they honestly care about their fans.
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Ummm.....
old music: http://www.myspace.com/slowloader
Surprise surprise. I knew this was coming from you.
We all knew this day was coming my friend. It was just a matter of time.
(insert maniacal laughter here)
when was that statement issued? pj charges $50, ticketmaster tacks on another $10. things could be worse. ive bought $20 concert tickets... TM charges a $7-8 convenience fee, $5 order processing fee, and venue charges. (whatever those are). im simply saying that is the name of the game.. YOU are the one bitching about the capitalism of the process. pearl jam's tickets are consistently under $50 pre-TM. suck it up big boy. does your mommy's allowance make it hard for you to go to shows or something?
im not very far to the left at all, you can ask the libs around here. so quit complaining. for a right-winger that wants to whine about liberal "handouts" you sure do seem to have quite a sense of entitlement when it comes to pearl jam.
and this is pearl jam's fault? man, if only ed knew the power he had to single-handedly shape the nation's economy...
Who the hell would want to promote riot act?
Oh man this is too rich.
Read the article (a couple of times in your case), take intro to macroeconomics (a couple of times in your case), look at the latest numbers (a couple of times in your case), http://bea.gov/ then maybe you'll figure it out.
Yeah, my mommy won't pay for concerts anymore. Way to stick it to me Tony Toughstuff. :rolleyes:
After speaking to my attorney, (illinoisemakers) I have been advised that it would behoove me not to comment on my official position regarding Pearl Jam's ticket prices and music at this present time.
Well I'm a libertarian. The only hard right position I take, is on the war in Iraq, but then, I'm a biased opinion of course.
Sorry if I offended ya kiddo, I'm sure your a down-the-middle kind of guy.
Allright allright, I promise I'll stop complaining about your shitty sense of reality
in 2012.
im a law student, not an econ major. that does, however, give me the ability to read an article and realize that it says nothing about pearl jam. in fact, it says EXACTLY what i had just said: that concert ticket prices have gone through the roof across the board and pearl jam is far from the only band whose prices have gone up. even so, they are still much cheaper than they could be. they could be charging what u2 and bruce springsteen charge, but they dont. shit, the cost of gas itself could easily have tripled their touring expenses by itself.
so since im just a dunce, perhaps you will have to explain to me how that article invalidates any of my points? pearl jam's prices have gone up like everyone else's. maybe the ticket industry is jacking consumers to an extent, but pearl jam tickets, as far as huge name arena acts go, are still very reasonable.