If Pj played the superbowl halftime show

sapperskunk

soulsinging wrote:

im a law student, not an econ major. that does, however, give me the ability to read an article and realize that it says nothing about pearl jam. in fact, it says EXACTLY what i had just said: that concert ticket prices have gone through the roof across the board and pearl jam is far from the only band whose prices have gone up. even so, they are still much cheaper than they could be. they could be charging what u2 and bruce springsteen charge, but they dont. shit, the cost of gas itself could easily have tripled their touring expenses by itself.

so since im just a dunce, perhaps you will have to explain to me how that article invalidates any of my points? pearl jam's prices have gone up like everyone else's. maybe the ticket industry is jacking consumers to an extent, but pearl jam tickets, as far as huge name arena acts go, are still very reasonable.

PJ is supposed to be different right? They fought the fight against T-master for the little guy. Why be like everyone else, aren't they the purveyors of reasonable tickets? They don't have to charge that much but choose to anyway. They could still be very wealthy with a considerable discount for tickets.

soulsinging

sapperskunk wrote:

PJ is supposed to be different right? They fought the fight against T-master for the little guy. Why be like everyone else, aren't they the purveyors of reasonable tickets? They don't have to charge that much but choose to anyway. They could still be very wealthy with a considerable discount for tickets.

i dont think this is true. they have said they didnt tour the south becos they couldnt make money there. apparently their profit margin wasn't so hot last tour. these costs could be necessary. bottom line is neither you nor i are in the pearl jam management and can see their bottom line. so i hesitate to take them to task for the cost of their tickets... especially when floor seats are still about half the price U2 charges... and pearl jam could EASILY charge what U2 does.

cincybearcat

soulsinging wrote:

i dont think this is true. they have said they didnt tour the south becos they couldnt make money there. apparently their profit margin wasn't so hot last tour. these costs could be necessary. bottom line is neither you nor i are in the pearl jam management and can see their bottom line. so i hesitate to take them to task for the cost of their tickets... especially when floor seats are still about half the price U2 charges... and pearl jam could EASILY charge what U2 does.

Ok now you've gone too far. Keeping prices lower than U2 is hardly noble. I honestly don't understand why aging bands enjoy financially raping their fans.

soulsinging

cincybearcat wrote:

Ok now you've gone too far. Keeping prices lower than U2 is hardly noble. I honestly don't understand why aging bands enjoy financially raping their fans.

they're significantly lower than U2. and basically any other band of equal stature. who is on pearl jam's level of name recognition that has cheaper tickets? they've sold more albums than all but the biggest bands. they could charge twice what they do. i think a $45 face value ticket is pretty reasonable for a pearl jam show... and those are all the seats in the house. most bands jack them up to be on the floor. pearl jam does not.

Thorns2010

Actually. I don't think Ed married the model, just had a kid with her and is her boyfriend.

I think.

jubilairesjl

I would enjoy it....Pearl Jam deserves a little recognition...They would not be sellouts.....They would be sellouts if their next tour was "Chevrolet presents the Pearl Jam North American Tour".....Playing the Superbowl in no way makes someone a sellout.

Kann

I think it's way to late for Pearl Jam to be sellouts. After 8 albums in 16 years I think that if they wanted to sellout, it would have happened a long time ago. If they were to play that halftime show it would be more for the fun, or to root for a team.

cincybearcat

soulsinging wrote:

they're significantly lower than U2. and basically any other band of equal stature. who is on pearl jam's level of name recognition that has cheaper tickets? they've sold more albums than all but the biggest bands. they could charge twice what they do. i think a $45 face value ticket is pretty reasonable for a pearl jam show... and those are all the seats in the house. most bands jack them up to be on the floor. pearl jam does not.

True the prices are mcuh lower, but then again, look at who you are comparing them too. That's all I'm saying.

Prices have been creeping up. It's not all that bad that's for sure. but with every tour I am a little surprised based upon their comments from the past. Once again, based upon the past, Pearl Jam are being held to a higher standard because they held themselves to a hgher standard...and they in essence have in the past called out other bands for high prices.

Obviously the be all end all is that if you think the prices are too high, just don;t buy a ticket. But that kinda stinks.

angelica

cincybearcat wrote:

Ok now you've gone too far. Keeping prices lower than U2 is hardly noble. I honestly don't understand why aging bands enjoy financially raping their fans.

Doesn't rape occur against one's will?? Once we willingly choose to participate, isn't that called "an agreement"?

cincybearcat

angelica wrote:

Doesn't rape occur against one's will?? Once we willingly choose to participate, isn't that called "an agreement"?

And that's what you want to pull out from that?

Certainly, as I said, you can just not buy a ticket. But in the past the band has specifically mentioned ticket prices and wanting to keep them low. They didn't want to have high ticket prices.

Didn't someone once say...if you hate something, don't ya do it to.

Once again, it's a higher standard because they built the platform.

angelica

cincybearcat wrote:

And that's what you want to pull out from that?

Certainly, as I said, you can just not buy a ticket. But in the past the band has specifically mentioned ticket prices and wanting to keep them low. They didn't want to have high ticket prices.

Didn't someone once say...if you hate something, don't ya do it to.

Once again, it's a higher standard because they built the platform.

I hear your point. I'm clearly nitpicking over the details here.

Pacomc79

We don't know the whole budget. We don't know what each individual member actually makes per show and how it's different (adjusted for inflation and cost of living/skill/fame etc.) than it was in the past. Also we need to compare that to other bands of their tier. The venue prices/security fees have increased as well as a lot of ticketmaster added on "convience fees" that you pay even if you buy the ticket at the box office. We do know that Pearl Jam has shunned pyrotechnics and huge stage shows to keep costs down. They rent the very best stage FOH speaker systems and truck them around, they hire some of the finest engineers in the business, they use the best mics, the best and most trusted crew members and those crews (just ask them) love working for Pearl Jam. Then they record the whole show from the board and make it available for fans as a keepsake,the first band to do it, and at the same time do not discourage people from making thier own bootlegs the old fashioned way. Not to mention they mix the setlist up, occasionally throw in some old favorites or rarities or bust out a cover here and there. There is a lot of inherent value in a Pearl Jam show especially when compared to their piers or the average show. You can see 3 or 4 Pearl Jam shows in a row and still desire to see them again. No it's not exactly cheap per say but it is still affordable for most to make it to at least one show. You get a whole lot of value for what you pay for.

There are ways to get there too. My $235 10th row Who ticket from last fall I got the day before off of Razor Gator for $90. Still expensive, but it was worth it to me, and I'm not buying a $20 coffee mug or $45 T-shirt either.

I guess what I'm saying is that by comparison they still want to give a world class show, but they do cut costs where they can to save money on the end ticket. If you're going to be on the road for 6 months and play 30 shows you kind of want to be around good people that you trust to get the job done, I don't mind paying a little more for quality because inherent value is added.

cincybearcat

Pacomc79 wrote:

If you're going to be on the road for 6 months and play 30 shows you kind of want to be around good people that you trust to get the job done, I don't mind paying a little more for quality because inherent value is added.

Good points...very true. And I too am willing to pay the prices (for now) because of the quality of the product. But I can see people's point when they talk about ticket prices getting higher. It hasn't stopped me from going, and it probably never will, but I'm sure it has become cost prohibitive for some. Anyhow, doesn't matter. And certainly Pearl Jam is not a 'sell-out' band...whatever that means.

Pacomc79

cincybearcat wrote:

Good points...very true. And I too am willing to pay the prices (for now) because of the quality of the product. But I can see people's point when they talk about ticket prices getting higher. It hasn't stopped me from going, and it probably never will, but I'm sure it has become cost prohibitive for some. Anyhow, doesn't matter. And certainly Pearl Jam is not a 'sell-out' band...whatever that means.

I absolutely agree, if they start charging over $100 or hell the $235 that The Who were charging I certainly won't go. I certainly don't travel as far as I did to see them in college, but it's still like to go see shows. Man this reminds me about that stupid flooded out show you had to suffer through a while ago.

"Selling out" has such a different connotation for so many people. Some people think taking a record deal is selling out so oh well.

To me it would be mailing in an album or a tour what have you for the sake of making a buck even though your heart isn't in it. Even the greatest hits album and Lost Dogs that they did to satisfy thier ridiculously long and out of date Sony contract were very cool. Their music resonates as to where and who they are as people and some of that relates to us and our experiences. That's what I've always respected I think.

sapperskunk

Pacomc79 wrote:

We don't know the whole budget. We don't know what each individual member actually makes per show and how it's different (adjusted for inflation and cost of living/skill/fame etc.) than it was in the past. Also we need to compare that to other bands of their tier. The venue prices/security fees have increased as well as a lot of ticketmaster added on "convience fees" that you pay even if you buy the ticket at the box office. We do know that Pearl Jam has shunned pyrotechnics and huge stage shows to keep costs down. They rent the very best stage FOH speaker systems and truck them around, they hire some of the finest engineers in the business, they use the best mics, the best and most trusted crew members and those crews (just ask them) love working for Pearl Jam. Then they record the whole show from the board and make it available for fans as a keepsake,the first band to do it, and at the same time do not discourage people from making thier own bootlegs the old fashioned way. Not to mention they mix the setlist up, occasionally throw in some old favorites or rarities or bust out a cover here and there. There is a lot of inherent value in a Pearl Jam show especially when compared to their piers or the average show. You can see 3 or 4 Pearl Jam shows in a row and still desire to see them again. No it's not exactly cheap per say but it is still affordable for most to make it to at least one show. You get a whole lot of value for what you pay for.

There are ways to get there too. My $235 10th row Who ticket from last fall I got the day before off of Razor Gator for $90. Still expensive, but it was worth it to me, and I'm not buying a $20 coffee mug or $45 T-shirt either.

I guess what I'm saying is that by comparison they still want to give a world class show, but they do cut costs where they can to save money on the end ticket. If you're going to be on the road for 6 months and play 30 shows you kind of want to be around good people that you trust to get the job done, I don't mind paying a little more for quality because inherent value is added.

How do these festivals charge considerably less and have many more artists to pay and employees to take care of? Logistically speaking, national tours like Warped tour or Ozzfest are considerably more complicated than a PJ show. Their like 30 bucks. I'm sure the bands at the bottom get paid shit, but the headliners are still rolling in it and they seem to keep drawing big acts.

And I saw NOFX and the Vandals a couple years back at the gorge and that was most definately a world class show.

sonicreducer

if pearl jam covered britney spears, yes,... id be dissapointed.

if pearl jam got on stage and played a pearl jam song, id be stoked.

though, im pretty sure we all know pearl jam wouldn't play at a halftime show given that they wouldn't be able to choose what they do. it would all be rehearsed. they wouldn't have it even for a million dollars. they've got better shit to do.

Pacomc79

sapperskunk wrote:

How do these festivals charge considerably less and have many more artists to pay and employees to take care of? Logistically speaking, national tours like Warped tour or Ozzfest are considerably more complicated than a PJ show. Their like 30 bucks. I'm sure the bands at the bottom get paid shit, but the headliners are still rolling in it and they seem to keep drawing big acts.

And I saw NOFX and the Vandals a couple years back at the gorge and that was most definately a world class show.

Corporate Sponsorship. Advertisement. etc. etc. You're right the early bands either play for free or get very little compensation other than food or beverages or getting to hang with Ozzy or whoever else they idolize on that tour, exposure is much more important. Hell you could consider it a public service for the headlining bands. If the younger bands are any good they almost always get picked up by the more established bands or thier record companies playing the festivals and that's big dollars, not to mention selling a few Albums and or shirts or stickers, and they get to play on great PA equipment with real engineers instead of a dirty tiny club with ragged speakers and their tone deaf friend running the board. Even the large bands may take a little less than usual to be on the festival tour... Festivals are a lot less work too for everyone (of the artists anyway the promoter and slightly larger crew is balls out but you get my point I think), even the headliner rarely plays a full set.

How did the fee for Nofx and the Vandals compare to say Pennywise or Fugazi or Social Distortion what have you? Most of the ones I've been to for well estabilished bands of that style are around 30 -40 bucks. That's still a reasonable concert ticket, but that's very much on the high end for that segment of the music industry.

It's a fun job, but it's still a job. I'm not begrudging anyone for making good money for getting to the pinnacle of their profession especially if they put on a good high value show.

humanlight

I would love to watch them, but they had better plan some some obscure song, that us true fans would go bonkers over. If they would play Alive, Jeremy, or Evenflow, I would be PISSED!

even flow?

Maybe PJ could start small by trying out the half time show at the Grey Cup. And then, if that went well they could step on to a larger stage such as the Super Bowl.

Heineken Helen

Collin wrote:

I always watched friends, always. Yet I didn't see that episode until like three weeks ago. All my friends saw it, even some who don't like pearl jam saw it.

I still haven't seen it and I must have seen every other episode of friends about 3657 times . I saw the scrubs episode for the first time last week purely by accident though.