Kurt Cobain: the guitarist

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  • bharQ
    bharQ Posts: 1,201
    Jellyrolls wrote:
    Sucks.

    Jealous.
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  • reeferchief
    reeferchief Posts: 3,569
    Ledbetterman10 wrote:
    I've always thought this too. also, the MTV unplugged performance looked like a sign of good things to come. not to mention that the addition of Pat Smear was another step in the right direction

    For sure the depth that the second guitar was adding on the In Utero tour was absolutely awesome, the songs sounded so much more beefy and fleshed out, I have a lot of boots and the ones with Pat on get listened to a lot more than the rest.
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  • Cropduster84
    Cropduster84 Posts: 1,283
    Joe2TheRevenge wrote:

    i think had he been alive today, the Foo Fighters would still be kicking his ass in both chart position and in concert attendance.
    ).


    Thats so a whole different thread lol.

    I think Kurt would have gone on to great things, Dave's gone VERY commercial
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  • Cropduster84
    Cropduster84 Posts: 1,283
    PJamGrunge10 wrote:
    Kurt was not a good singer at all. You can like his voice but he wasn't good. Just listen to Lake of Fire from Unplugged.


    Define 'good singer'.

    I mean, not to knock you but I'd probably agree that its not pitch perfect but it sounds like its coming from the heart and moves me so I class that as good.
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  • this is not for you
    this is not for you Posts: 240
    kurt rules
    bollocks to anyone who says otherwise, how cant anyone hear the genius that is man
  • this is not for you
    this is not for you Posts: 240
    Junkhead Aic wrote:
    I prefer Dave's singing to Kurt's. He has a really powerful voice. Dave's drumming is some of the best out there too.

    yes dave has a good voice, but powerful? i dont think so...well in comparason to kurt
    you know that on the first foos album his voice was quadrupled?
  • Jellyrolls
    Jellyrolls Posts: 523
    bharQ wrote:
    Jealous.

    You're right.. I'm jealous of someone who kills himself .. that is what a real man is made of let me tell ya
  • Jellyrolls
    Jellyrolls Posts: 523
    this is not for you wrote:
    you know that on the first foos album his voice was quadrupled?

    link?
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,130
    a true riff meister
  • reeferchief
    reeferchief Posts: 3,569
    smarchee wrote:
    found this on youtube. Cover of D7, never knew they played this live. I really love this cover, especially when they turn it up at around 1:38

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWrBs1HkJoU

    Yeah they played Oh The Guilt live a couple of times as well, awesome stuff.:)
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  • mrwalkerb
    mrwalkerb Posts: 1,015
    whenever someone starts a Nirvana thread tehre is always the guy who says Grohl is better and was the most talented guy in the band but the best rebuttal I ever saw was somewhere on this board in a "Nrivana vs. Foo Fighters" thread, I forget who it was but the line was

    "Dave Grohl would say Nirvana"


    I think he would too.
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  • Anon
    Anon Posts: 11,175
    Kurt Cobain will never be remembered for his singing, or his guitar technique, as both were nothing special. for me, that really was the whole point. Sometimes less IS more. cobain was an unbelievably talented songwriter. he was a genius, and it was his ability to communicate what he was feeling that set him apart from the rest.
  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    Pj_Gurl wrote:
    Kurt Cobain will never be remembered for his singing, or his guitar technique, as both were nothing special. for me, that really was the whole point. Sometimes less IS more. cobain was an unbelievably talented songwriter. he was a genius, and it was his ability to communicate what he was feeling that set him apart from the rest.
    Kurt was not a genius, he was a deeply charismatic frontman and was capable of penning some excellent tunes but also some absolute crap. seriously. Nirvana fans sometimes seem to overlook the childish, angsty foetus-obsessed crap he could come out with that you can find in any "misunderstood" teenager's journal. Don't get me wrong, he wrote some great songs but they tended to be when he wasn't being so brazenly "woe is me".

    I just don't think you can tag 'genius' onto a guy that made 3 records, ONE of which was excellent (In Utero) and the other two were ok, who couldn't really play guitar (though he wrote some good riffs) and couldn't really sing (though his voice had something about it). The nearest Nirvana ever came to genius was the unplugged show.

    Unfulfilled potential sums up my thoughts on Kurt.
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  • ii44
    ii44 Posts: 430
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    Kurt was not a genius, he was a deeply charismatic frontman and was capable of penning some excellent tunes but also some absolute crap. seriously. Nirvana fans sometimes seem to overlook the childish, angsty foetus-obsessed crap he could come out with that you can find in any "misunderstood" teenager's journal. Don't get me wrong, he wrote some great songs but they tended to be when he wasn't being so brazenly "woe is me".

    I just don't think you can tag 'genius' onto a guy that made 3 records, ONE of which was excellent (In Utero) and the other two were ok, who couldn't really play guitar (though he wrote some good riffs) and couldn't really sing (though his voice had something about it). The nearest Nirvana ever came to genius was the unplugged show.

    Unfulfilled potential sums up my thoughts on Kurt.

    I don't we can take someone who thinks Nevermind is just an OK record seriously.
  • Jeremy1012
    Jeremy1012 Posts: 7,170
    ii44 wrote:
    I don't we can take someone who thinks Nevermind is just an OK record seriously.
    I guess you don't have much time for Kurt then? He certainly didn't think it was that great - "It sounds more like a Motley Crue record".

    No one who actually knew Nirvana and their music at that time thought that record was in any way a representation of them as a band. You can gather that much from anything any of the band members, their friends and fellow bands around at the time. Nevermind has a handful of great songs and bunch of insanely overrated ones and it is marred by an MTV production job. As far as furthering Kurt's punk credentials goes (something he clearly took very seriously), Nevermind is an unconvincing effort at best. In Utero is a much better attempt.

    Oh, and it's interesting how I made a balanced point, not being a fan of Nirvana but still commending them where it's deserved, whereas you make blanket statements about me not being worth taking seriously. Ironically this makes me not take you very seriously.
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  • rage333
    rage333 Posts: 157
    DOSW wrote:
    I agree. Technically he's not very good at all, but I don't give a damn whether a guitarist can play 800 notes a minute, because if he doesn't make you feel something, then all that talent is worthless. I love guys like Neil Young and Kurt Cobain who, even though they don't have the technical ability of other professionals, are infinitely better because they make me feel something. That's what guitar playing is all about to me.


    Thats what its all about. You are totally right.
    By the way Kurt was a genius.
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  • Joe2TheRevenge
    Joe2TheRevenge Posts: 904
    He wasn't a genius, he just took his own head off before he had a chance to make a bad/unnoticed album.

    It's the jimi hendrix principle. Die young and make yourself a legend.

    If he was alive today he would be putting out bad solo albums and opening for Pearl Jam and Velvet Revolver to very little applause till he actually played "...Teen Spirit".
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  • bharQ
    bharQ Posts: 1,201
    Joe2TheRevenge wrote:

    If he was alive today he would be putting out bad solo albums and opening for Pearl Jam and Velvet Revolver to very little applause till he actually played "...Teen Spirit".

    i love how fucking sure you are about this
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  • ii44
    ii44 Posts: 430
    Jeremy1012 wrote:
    I guess you don't have much time for Kurt then? He certainly didn't think it was that great - "It sounds more like a Motley Crue record".

    No one who actually knew Nirvana and their music at that time thought that record was in any way a representation of them as a band. You can gather that much from anything any of the band members, their friends and fellow bands around at the time. Nevermind has a handful of great songs and bunch of insanely overrated ones and it is marred by an MTV production job. As far as furthering Kurt's punk credentials goes (something he clearly took very seriously), Nevermind is an unconvincing effort at best. In Utero is a much better attempt.

    Oh, and it's interesting how I made a balanced point, not being a fan of Nirvana but still commending them where it's deserved, whereas you make blanket statements about me not being worth taking seriously. Ironically this makes me not take you very seriously.

    Who cares if some people don't think it is a good representation of what Kurt thought Nirvana was supposed to sound like? It's a timeless record regardless. If Kurt was so concerned with his punk credentials he shouldn't have signed with a major label, and made an shiny, accessible record... He was such a hypocrite.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    is it important that kurt be recognised as a genius? i say no. i say it doesnt matter. i say that the way kurt sang and the way he played his guitar was perfect for the songs nirvana were doing. i say it doesn't matter to me what anyone else thinks of kurt cobain or the music nirvana did. someone doesn't like kurt or nirvana. someone can't see past his death or his addictions or the supposed horseshit with courtney, i don't care. all that matters to me is i appreciate the music. :)
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