Kurt Cobain: the guitarist

Jeremy1012

ii44 wrote:

Who cares if some people don't think it is a good representation of what Kurt thought Nirvana was supposed to sound like? It's a timeless record regardless. If Kurt was so concerned with his punk credentials he shouldn't have signed with a major label, and made an shiny, accessible record... He was such a hypocrite.

I call to mind a particular time when Kurt was doing his "I am so punk, Pearl Jam are so hair metal" PJ bashing and actually said "I feel a duty to warn kids off bands like Pearl Jam who are masquerading as underground music".
So yeah, he was concerned.

catefrances

ii44 wrote:

Who cares if some people don't think it is a good representation of what Kurt thought Nirvana was supposed to sound like? It's a timeless record regardless. If Kurt was so concerned with his punk credentials he shouldn't have signed with a major label, and made an shiny, accessible record... He was such a hypocrite.

an interesting aside. perhaps, perhaps not.

during the making of superunknown, michael beinhorn, as producer, naturally spoke with chris cornell and asked him about the songs the band had written. there wasnt much to work with. so beinhorn asked cornell what he was listening to at the moment. cornell replied, the beatles and cream. beinhorn couldnt believe this cause the songs cornell had shown him were hardly indicative of this. so he tells cornell that he's got to get real. strong songs need good melodies, which wasn't what he'd shown beinhorn. cornell then says yeah but it won't sound like soundgarden. beinhorn says what? who gives a fuck? YOU ARE soundgarden, therefore anything you do will sound like soundgarden.

Joe2TheRevenge

bharQ wrote:

i love how fucking sure you are about this

Well he really wasn't all that great.

Pearl Jam was a hell of alot bigger than Nirvana ever was and their impact on popular music has been ZERO since around 1995.

If Eddie had died after Vitalogy, he would have been hailed as a much greater "Genius" that Kurt.

Because seriously, put Nirvana's 3 albums up against Ten, VS, and Vitalogy.

No contest who the better songwriter is if Ed is dead. But Ed has written 5 more "non-commercial, non-selling" albums since then and it's "oh, pearl jam USED to be good."

When did Kurt ever get the chance to stop being good? (I mean unless someone wants to point out that the In Utero tour was playing to half empty venues, but people like to glaze over that fact and just remember Nevermind's impact on MTV/Hair Bands/Popular music)

Nirvana was a a flash in the pan. a very LARGE flash in the pan, but a flash in the pan none the less.

ii44

Joe2TheRevenge wrote:

Well he really wasn't all that great.

Pearl Jam was a hell of alot bigger than Nirvana ever was and their impact on popular music has been ZERO since around 1995.

If Eddie had died after Vitalogy, he would have been hailed as a much greater "Genius" that Kurt.

Because seriously, put Nirvana's 3 albums up against Ten, VS, and Vitalogy.

No contest who the better songwriter is if Ed is dead. But Ed has written 5 more "non-commercial, non-selling" albums since then and it's "oh, pearl jam USED to be good."

When did Kurt ever get the chance to stop being good? (I mean unless someone wants to point out that the In Utero tour was playing to half empty venues, but people like to glaze over that fact and just remember Nevermind's impact on MTV/Hair Bands/Popular music)

Nirvana was a a flash in the pan. a very LARGE flash in the pan, but a flash in the pan none the less.

I'm as big a PJ fan as their is but... no. In Utero and Nevermind are better than PJ's best albums, and Nirvana was a band for 7 years

At the same time, I agree that if somehow Kurt had grown old gracefully and Nirvana had pulled back in similar way to what PJ had (which they were sort of on their way) Nirvana would not get the same love from the MSM they currently have.

Anon

Joe2TheRevenge wrote:

Pearl Jam was a hell of alot bigger than Nirvana ever was and their impact on popular music has been ZERO since around 1995.

so what? the thread is about what people think of cobain as a guitarist.

Anon

i like Nirvana. bottom line.

Joe2TheRevenge

Pj_Gurl wrote:

so what? the thread is about what people think of cobain as a guitarist.

if you're only consulting page one, post one.

conversations evolve you know.

Anon

Joe2TheRevenge wrote:

if you're only consulting page one, post one.

conversations evolve you know.

thankyou captain obvious. i'm well aware conversations evolve. i just wonder why it has to turn into a pissing match, like my daddy is better than yours and this band is better than that one mentality (which has nothing to do whether cobain was a good guitarist or not).

AiCPearlJamWeen

"But Kurt Cobain was such a shitty guitarist"- Jerry Cantrell




sorry, had to do that.

satansbedbugs

to bad kurt cobain hated pearl jam . sux but true!!

Anon

satansbedbugs wrote:

to bad kurt cobain hated pearl jam . sux but true!!

i discovered pearl jam and mike mccready (i'm a guitarist) when i was 11 years old. thirteen years later, they still move me like no other band. when i was growing up pretty much ALL my friends hated pearl jam. if i took offence to people disliking pearl jam when i was growing up, i would not have had any friends!

reeferchief

satansbedbugs wrote:

to bad kurt cobain hated pearl jam . sux but true!!

Well they buried that hatchet and I think it would be awesome say Pearl Jam and Nirvana had done a few shows together before Kurt left the world behind, because frankly 90% of the PJ fanboys around here would have a totally different outlook and perspective on the subject.
You see a lot of people on here who are influenced by the fact that Kurt had dissed Pearl Jam and therefore was the shittest, most overated musician to ever walk the planet, known as the UFC(ultimate fanboy complex).;)

Joe2TheRevenge wrote:

It's the jimi hendrix principle. Die young and make yourself a legend.

Jimi Hendrix was one of the greatest, most innovative guitar players ever, are you trying to say that he was'nt very revered before his death? because he most certainly was already a legend before that death.

catefrances

Joe2TheRevenge wrote:

He wasn't a genius, he just took his own head off before he had a chance to make a bad/unnoticed album.

It's the jimi hendrix principle. Die young and make yourself a legend.

If he was alive today he would be putting out bad solo albums and opening for Pearl Jam and Velvet Revolver to very little applause till he actually played "...Teen Spirit".

hey! nostradamus. :rolleyes:

Joe2TheRevenge

catefrances wrote:

hey! nostradamus. :rolleyes:

Remember a few years ago when Jerry Cantrell was opening for Creed and Nickelback?

Point made.

Thank you, don't forget to tip your waitress.

marker_in_the_sand

Very Ape and Aneurysm are my favourite Nirvana songs :cool:

And to everyone who's talking bad about Kurt (& Nirvana);
$%^@#

AiCPearlJamWeen

Nah I just think Cobain is overrated because his songs do nothing for me. They are for the most part repetitive and boring. Sure a couple are ctachy but I would never listen to them more than I do AiC, PJ, Soundgarden, Ween, Tool, NiN and bands like that.

And thats the same way I think of the Foo Fighters too.

rhcpjam1029

I wouldn't say he should be remembered as a guitarist but in general as a songwriter.

catefrances

Joe2TheRevenge wrote:

Remember a few years ago when Jerry Cantrell was opening for Creed and Nickelback?

Point made.

Thank you, don't forget to tip your waitress.

i was actually referring to your 'knowing' how kurt's life would end up. as was indicated by my making bold the relevant sentences. music wasnt the only thing in kurt's life and i'd prefer to think that he would have moved out of the music world and delved into his more visual artistic side. and no i don't think he would have actually left the music entirely behind, but expanded his scope somewhat in expressing himself. but of course, this is all supposition on my part cause i didnt know the man.

Jellyrolls

catefrances wrote:

music wasnt the only thing in kurt's life

Yes, I agree.. there was also drugs.

Igottago

Its funny, people can't comment on Cobain without talking about his personal life or his suicide.

The fact that he took his own life means nothing in terms of his talent. He was an incredible artist, a true original. No Nirvana wannabe band has ever come close to recreating his sound, and no one ever will. Anyone who can't see that there was something special there has either never really listened to it, or is flat out wrong. Forget the hype about his death, his drug addiction, Courtney Love...he was a brilliant musician.